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Kalli posted:Israel tortured the head of orthopedics in Gaza's largest hospital to death over 4 months in captivity: While Israel is to blame for his death in captivity, I don't see how "tortured" is documented here?
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Rust Martialis posted:While Israel is to blame for his death in captivity, I don't see how "tortured" is documented here? quote:Dozens of Palestinians who had been freed by Israel in past months including some staff of a U.N. agency have reported ill-treatment during detention, including torture and deprivation of food and sleep.
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May 2, 2024 19:46
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Rust Martialis posted:While Israel is to blame for his death in captivity, I don't see how "tortured" is documented here? Torture has been widely reported by detainees and the IDF won't even release a cause of death for this guy. Seems like a reasonable conclusion.
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May 2, 2024 20:08
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Rust Martialis posted:While Israel is to blame for his death in captivity, I don't see how "tortured" is documented here? Someone beat me to it, but it's basically a given if you're a Palestinian person imprisoned by Israel.
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May 2, 2024 20:09
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punishedkissinger posted:Torture has been widely reported by detainees and the IDF won't even release a cause of death for this guy. Seems like a reasonable conclusion. I mean it's going to be ignored by pro-Israel politicians anyhow, what's one more dead Palestinian to them
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May 2, 2024 20:11
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Neo Rasa posted:Someone beat me to it, but it's basically a given if you're a Palestinian person imprisoned by Israel. Seeing as they're currently torturing two million people in Gaza, not sure why anyone would even question it.
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May 2, 2024 20:16
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Fidelitious posted:For what theoretical reason would Hamas attack the pier? Is it supposed to be the thing about them stealing supplies again? You do know Hamas hates the US just as much as it hates Israel right? Not everything is some big conspiracy.
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May 2, 2024 20:51
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Just gonna assume they cremate the body whenever they send it back
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May 2, 2024 21:39
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I think Hamas has bigger things to worry about than US/UK soldiers on a pier that is intended to bring food to Palestinians
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May 2, 2024 22:13
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What about the strategic Israeli controlled maritime route Netanyahu requested back in October?
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May 2, 2024 22:33
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China recently hosted representatives from Hamas and Fatah for a talk about the shared future of Palestine. Seems they're stepping in where the US is consistently dropping the ball with Middle Eastern diplomacy as it becomes increasingly decrepit and insane. Not sure if there will be any substantive progress made, but it's clear there needs to be unity between Hamas and the West Bank resistance going forward. Hamas is more popular in the West Bank than the PA at the moment, and Israel seems hellbent on destroying their only comprador, which can only make things worse for them in the long term. It's pretty clear that Hamas is going to remain in control of Gaza, but it's up in the air what shape the Palestinian resistance is going to take in the West Bank after Abbas dies.
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May 3, 2024 00:17
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DynamicSloth posted:What about the strategic Israeli controlled maritime route Netanyahu requested back in October? The day before in the Jerusalem Post linked to in that article: “Despite Gallant’s spin, when the US announced the initiative last Thursday, sources close to the defense minister and multiple senior IDF sources were caught blindsided. It was unclear if they had no idea that the initiative was happening at all, or if it had been discussed theoretically at some point, and they only did not realize that the US had moved up the timetable. It was hours before any Israeli defense official knew how to even respond to the question of what the US meant by “establishing a port.” As of press time, the Prime Minister’s Office had not clarified whether it was in the loop or if the US had made the decision unilaterally.” They’re full of poo poo and it’s internal spin to not look terrible inside Israel.
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May 3, 2024 00:29
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Your Brain on Hugs posted:China recently hosted representatives from Hamas and Fatah for a talk about the shared future of Palestine. Seems they're stepping in where the US is consistently dropping the ball with Middle Eastern diplomacy as it becomes increasingly decrepit and insane. Not sure if there will be any substantive progress made, but it's clear there needs to be unity between Hamas and the West Bank resistance going forward.
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May 3, 2024 00:52
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The West Bank often gets overlooked, but in some ways living there as a Palestinian could be worse than living in Gaza (pre Oct 7, obviously). Before, in Gaza, you at least had relative freedom inside the open air prison, in the sense that you're not interacting with the IDF much at all. In the West Bank, every single day, every time you go through a checkpoint or have an interaction with an Israeli who has power over you, it's a gamble to whether you're merely deliberately inconvenienced, verbally abused, or whether you're kidnapped and tortured or killed. It's a different kind of constant stress but in some ways I'm sure you'd feel the boot on your neck even more than in Gaza. I really hope the liberation of the West Bank gets more attention with all this.
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May 3, 2024 01:31
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Charliegrs posted:You do know Hamas hates the US just as much as it hates Israel right? Not everything is some big conspiracy. So to get this straight, you think the Qassam brigades will attack the pier feeding their people?
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May 3, 2024 02:41
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Jaxyon posted:So to get this straight, you think the Qassam brigades will attack the pier feeding their people? Even some people in this thread are extremely sceptical that the pier will actually be used for anything good. Why would fighters in Gaza be more trusting of Biden's initiative?
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May 3, 2024 02:47
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Paladinus posted:Even some people in this thread are extremely sceptical that the pier will actually be used for anything good. Why would fighters in Gaza be more trusting of Biden's initiative? So you think that they're pre-attack it before it can do anything, or that they'll decide to attack it because it's not feeding enough of their supporters? I'm really struggling to see the logic here that isn't "muslims be violent". Israel attacking makes sense, as they have along record of attacking things that help palestinians, but Hamas doesn't.
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May 3, 2024 02:51
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Jaxyon posted:So you think that they're pre-attack it before it can do anything, or that they'll decide to attack it because it's not feeding enough of their supporters? I think they will see American soldiers as a legitimate target. Because they are soldiers. From America. Which is exactly what a high-ranking Hamas official said.
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May 3, 2024 02:58
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The pier is to feed them while still bombing them. Not ending the genocide. Hard to see America as being altruistic here.
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May 3, 2024 03:00
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Paladinus posted:I think they will see American soldiers as a legitimate target. Because they are soldiers. From America. Which is exactly what a high-ranking Hamas official said. Can you source that quote? hadji murad posted:The pier is to feed them while still bombing them. Not ending the genocide. Hard to see America as being altruistic here. It's not altruistic, that doesn't mean it's not going to feed people.
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May 3, 2024 03:04
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I really shouldn’t be surprised at this point but it’s not only sickening, it’s bad politics https://twitter.com/mychaelschnell/status/1786155281862349040?s=46&t=BHs6Pl38GJXGN2Y4xeriNA
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May 3, 2024 03:06
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Jaxyon posted:Can you source that quote? It's from the previous page. https://apnews.com/article/hamas-kh...94%20he%20said. quote:“We categorically reject any non-Palestinian presence in Gaza, whether at sea or on land, and we will deal with any military force present in these places, Israeli or otherwise … as an occupying power,” he said.
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May 3, 2024 03:10
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Paladinus posted:It's from the previous page. So a Hamas official said they'd see the US as occupiers, not that they'd attack a pier feeding their people. That quote reads as posturing. I still don't get why you think that they'd attack it if it was supplying food. As I said, they have no history of that, while Israel has a huge history of that.
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May 3, 2024 03:16
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Jaxyon posted:So a Hamas official said they'd see the US as occupiers, not that they'd attack a pier feeding their people. That quote reads as posturing. Who do you think will be manning the pier? Are you really insisting that fighters in Gaza have no reason to attack American soldiers? Military personnel from the country that supports Israel by giving it billions in military aid? Paladinus fucked around with this message at 03:26 on May 3, 2024 |
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May 3, 2024 03:24
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Jaxyon posted:I'm really struggling to see the logic here that isn't "muslims be violent". Israel attacking makes sense, as they have along record of attacking things that help palestinians, but Hamas doesn't. the whole post is stupid but this part makes my head spin. This is like saying Jews shouldn’t have fought the Warsaw uprising because they might have been fed longer, and anyone cheering it on believes in the protocols of the elders book too
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May 3, 2024 03:35
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I think the bigger issue is that an attack on the pier by Hamas has zero strategic benefit and only provides cover for the US to actively partake in the war rather than just aid and abet Israel.
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May 3, 2024 03:56
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If the pier does get attacked it's going to be a hot mess. You're going to get a lot of finger pointing from Israeli's claiming it's Hamas who hate Americans and Hamas claiming it's Israel because they don't want Palestinians to get aid. That press release seems perfectly primed to cast doubt on who the perpetrators are. Is there a full transcript of the interview anywhere?
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May 3, 2024 04:06
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FlamingLiberal posted:I really shouldn’t be surprised at this point but it’s not only sickening, it’s bad politics Are Democrats trying to lose? They just consistently make me even more disgusted with their conduct.
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There is a clear security issue for the pier that needs be resolved from an American military perspective. That means either a) a Israeli security zone, rendering the idea of the peer as some sort of value add over the checkpoints as senseless, b) some variety of the us or its proxies effectively or literally have boots on the ground, which is inflammatory or c) no security and just wait for a flashpoint which is basically creating a new gulf of Tonkin type situation. When the US military has a fleet week or an air show in America for a friendly crowd there is a security plan and security personnel for all kinds of wild and unlikely circumstances. The idea that the US military is going to be operating right next to, and in sight of Gaza, while effectively a belligerent in the war on Gaza, with no security - it’s always struck me as the most insane/unlikely aspect of this whole pier enterprise. There is either going to be very substantial security provided by someone or this is America begging for an excuse.
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