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Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av
That sucks, I was hoping it was something cool about ancient civilizations and sites that are actually real, like the Caral-Supe civilization, the Sea Peoples, or Göbekli Tepe. A coworker recommended it, and he usually has better taste and more sense. Glad I didn't waste my time. Thanks, OP

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precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
What if history... is wrong????

Dramatic music cue

Orc Priest
Jun 9, 2021
Bumping to recommend the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341Lv8JLLV4

Stefan Milo is a great archeology and anthropology youtuber. He does a 2 hour critique of the whole series. Don't need to actively watch the vid, it's pretty much a podcast.

Tnuctip
Sep 25, 2017

Powerful Katrinka posted:

That sucks, I was hoping it was something cool about ancient civilizations and sites that are actually real, like the Caral-Supe civilization, the Sea Peoples, or Göbekli Tepe. A coworker recommended it, and he usually has better taste and more sense. Glad I didn't waste my time. Thanks, OP

It does talk about Gobleki and a bunch of other very old sites. Am I super convinced? No. But the astronomical alignment to dating of features is fairly compelling. In terms of the host being a racist, he goes and talks to people that said the whitey main stream archeologists basically said gently caress off, while he actually listened, so didn’t seem racist to me.

Spoiler alert: wasn’t aliens, comets hosed some poo poo up near end of last ice age.

OP is wrong, very entertaining watch.

Big Beef City
Aug 15, 2013

Stoatbringer posted:

If it doesn't have bigfoots I'm not interested.

Who do you think CAUSED the ancient apocalypse?

Pac and Cheese
Oct 29, 2010

gotta walk fast

precision posted:

What if history... is wrong????

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did you know that the mesopetamians invented the waterphone?

scrEEEEeeeEEEEEch

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

I'm about to go def con 3 on the round earthers

olylifter
Sep 13, 2007

I'm bad with money and you have an avatar!

Rabble posted:

This old dude is trying to sell me on an ancient civilization or some poo poo. It's as absurd as a Documentary, Now episode but taken seriously.

10/10

I honest to god thought I was the only person watching Documentary Now, everyone I talk to about it has never heard of it before that exact moment

spleen merchant
Jul 1, 2007
Fun Shoe
It's alright. It would be easier to suspend disbelief if he didn't lean so heavily into the "Local Mom infuriates Archeologists with One Weird Trick!" take.

Robo Reagan
Feb 12, 2012

by Fluffdaddy

jokes posted:

Is it good or is it okay to keep on in the background or something

every lesbian i know loves it and every het i know says tim burton sucks so make of that what you will

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

Copped a couple eps last night.

Luvcow
Jul 1, 2007

One day nearer spring

numberoneposter
Feb 19, 2014

How much do I cum? The answer might surprise you!

im the cum font used for white people

Zeluth
May 12, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
That pyramid has a mason behind it.

Cheesus
Oct 17, 2002

Let us retract the foreskin of ignorance and apply the wirebrush of enlightenment.
Yam Slacker

Tnuctip posted:

It does talk about Gobleki and a bunch of other very old sites. Am I super convinced? No. But the astronomical alignment to dating of features is fairly compelling. In terms of the host being a racist, he goes and talks to people that said the whitey main stream archeologists basically said gently caress off, while he actually listened, so didn’t seem racist to me.

Spoiler alert: wasn’t aliens, comets hosed some poo poo up near end of last ice age.
I got into Hancock's stuff back with Fingerprint of the Gods back in 1995. At that time, he pushed the idea that Earth's geological "skin" slipped to explain things like old maps that presumably show the non-ice covered coast of Antartica. The possibility of that that brought a pretty serious eye-roll from me even then, but his argument has always been "I'm here to present ideas, I'm not to prove them" has always seemed incredibly uneven and disingenuous.

Since then I think others including legitimate archeologists have credibly picked up pieces of his mantel and done it better. Some seem to get stuck in the same way. Randall Carlson re-presented (some other guy came up with the theory nearly 100 years ago) pretty compelling evidence of the undamming a massive lake in the North American glaciers caused the "badlands" that stretch from Montana through Idaho to the coast of Oregon/Washington. And...now Carlson is hocking some new form of energy. :rolleyes:

Being able to say, "I was wrong" is pretty important to me, and for me, AncientArchitects on YouTube is full of excited ideas that sometimes he backtracks on. I find his theories and ideas on the likes of Gobleki Tepe and the surrounding Turkish sites to be much more convincing than the rut Hancock has remained in.

1000 Sweaty Rikers
Oct 13, 2005

Orc Priest posted:

Bumping to recommend the following video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341Lv8JLLV4

Stefan Milo is a great archeology and anthropology youtuber. He does a 2 hour critique of the whole series. Don't need to actively watch the vid, it's pretty much a podcast.

about halfway through this and it's pretty good so far

haven't watched the Netflix show, but I was heavily into conspiracy stuff, aliens and some of Hancock's stuff in the 1990's, so I'm familiar some of the ideas he presents

naem
May 29, 2011

archeology is constantly finding new evidence that grants better insight into the past, like by definition

our perceptions change as our contemporary society grows and changes as well

there is no conspiracy to hide, anything, I’m pretty sure

if this guy had evidence that challenges perceptions he can like, punish it so professionals can take a look

the gov even acknowledged unidentified flying objects recently saying “yeah there’s some weird poo poo on camera sometimes, we don’t know wtf yo”

what Im saying is that the space lizards and their ancient war against the hollow earth buttwaesels will one day end us all

Smugworth
Apr 18, 2003


Nearly every member of the moderation team is a reptilian

precision
May 7, 2006

by VideoGames
lmao this dude's son is an executive at netflix

:thunkher:

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted

Orc Priest posted:

He does a 2 hour critique of the whole series. Don't need to actively watch the vid

Strongly agree

Nerd starts off reading from a book and then sits on couch

Where the gently caress are the comic book pictures?

N. Senada
May 17, 2011

My kidneys are busted
Ban Orvmc Priest for spreading heresy plz thx

ScRoTo TuRbOtUrD
Jan 21, 2007

the best story about ancient egypt is the ceremony where the pharaoh had to jack off into the nile to bless it

you wonder how that got started. i bet a high priest caught ahteploads iii jerking it so right one day off his pleasure yatch and king spun up a whole national holiday right then and there to save face

so anyways mr. netflix thats my idea for a show, you can make the check out to Cash

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

I feel like I need to jerk off into the Nile before I die now

Tarkus
Aug 27, 2000

Gotta put that on the cum-bucket list.

Kung Food
Dec 11, 2006

PORN WIZARD
One thing that is important to note is that all these super advanced ancient civilization (aliens, Atlantis, Hyperboulia) takes have deep roots in white supremacy and antisemitism. The main belief being that in the beginning there was one perfect, highly advanced society that has devolved over time to our current societies. Of course some societies have devolved less that others white ones, though the more "progressive" theorists might include Indians and Asians and that there is a clandestine cabal of THEM jews working behind the scenes to further devolve humanity from its former perfection. Same goes for Alex Jones types raving about Globalists or the deep state.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

Kung Food posted:

One thing that is important to note is that all these super advanced ancient civilization (aliens, Atlantis, Hyperboulia) takes have deep roots in white supremacy and antisemitism. The main belief being that in the beginning there was one perfect, highly advanced society that has devolved over time to our current societies. Of course some societies have devolved less that others white ones, though the more "progressive" theorists might include Indians and Asians and that there is a clandestine cabal of THEM jews working behind the scenes to further devolve humanity from its former perfection. Same goes for Alex Jones types raving about Globalists or the deep state.


Whenever you mention Atlantis to someone like this then explain it was probably in Africa and thus the inhabitants were black or tan, they usually lose it and change course.

jokes
Dec 20, 2012

Uh... Kupo?

WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:

Whenever you mention Atlantis to someone like this then explain it was probably in Africa and thus the inhabitants were black or tan, they usually lose it and change course.

l love bringing up the skin color of ancient civilizations to boomers who believe in ancient aliens.

XYZAB
Jun 29, 2003

HNNNNNGG!!
tbh I think Randall Carlson has some really cool ideas about the younger dryas impact hypothesis but he would do well to get as far away from Graham Hancock as humanly possible

Powerful Katrinka
Oct 11, 2021

an admin fat fingered a permaban and all i got was this lousy av

Kung Food posted:

One thing that is important to note is that all these super advanced ancient civilization (aliens, Atlantis, Hyperboulia) takes have deep roots in white supremacy and antisemitism. The main belief being that in the beginning there was one perfect, highly advanced society that has devolved over time to our current societies. Of course some societies have devolved less that others white ones, though the more "progressive" theorists might include Indians and Asians and that there is a clandestine cabal of THEM jews working behind the scenes to further devolve humanity from its former perfection. Same goes for Alex Jones types raving about Globalists or the deep state.

I think it's important to recognize that many of these stories have non-white supremacist roots, but they've been appropriated and twisted into such by Theosophist and other occult groups. The city of Shambhala is a spiritual kingdom and paradise in Tibetan Buddhist tradition that was bastardized by Helena Blavatsky

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Jul 22, 2010

A five-star manufacturer


Tnuctip posted:

It does talk about Gobleki and a bunch of other very old sites. Am I super convinced? No. But the astronomical alignment to dating of features is fairly compelling. In terms of the host being a racist, he goes and talks to people that said the whitey main stream archeologists basically said gently caress off, while he actually listened, so didn’t seem racist to me.

Spoiler alert: wasn’t aliens, comets hosed some poo poo up near end of last ice age.

OP is wrong, very entertaining watch.

Oh wow he found minorities to say that he wasn't racist into a camera. Never seen that play before.

PITY BONER
Oct 18, 2021

Powerful Katrinka posted:

I think it's important to recognize that many of these stories have non-white supremacist roots, but they've been appropriated and twisted into such by Theosophist and other occult groups. The city of Shambhala is a spiritual kingdom and paradise in Tibetan Buddhist tradition that was bastardized by Helena Blavatsky
This has always been my problem with GRAHAM HANCOCK. The dude is an unabashed Blavatsky follower, which is where he picked up his obsession with Atlantis and white ubermensch that taught the unwashed hordes how to farm and build. Blavatsky was a racist grifter extraordinaire who is somehow still seen as an important figure to many people. She was always a lying piece of poo poo but her followers were dumb enough to believe her and her magic tricks. Hancock is one of them, despite all the evidence against her. His whole schtick is based on the origins of most of the white racist ideologies we deal with today, but he's been able to whitewash (lol) everything so that newbs who know nothing about him watch his Netflix show and go on reddit and argue about how there's no way this dude is just promoting white power bullshit, magical thinking, and colonial mindsets about the achievements of ancient cultures.

Tnuctip
Sep 25, 2017

I’m not defending him, never read any of his books. Is the show entertaining? Yes. Does earth need to spend more on asteroid defense? Yes.

numptyboy
Sep 6, 2004
somewhat pleasant

Tnuctip posted:

I’m not defending him, never read any of his books. Is the show entertaining? Yes. Does earth need to spend more on asteroid defense? Yes.

Dunno - i barely made 2 epsodes before i gave up.

If you want to do a search he does a talk with Mike Tyson of all people on his youtube channel.
I get the impression Graham cant be around smart people who can poke holes in his theories with ease.
Im not knowlegable on pre human civilisation facts enough myself, but this garbage tripped my internal bullshit meter too hard and i couldnt watch anymore.

I realise his son is an exec at Netflix - but how is it in their interest to publish this poo poo - just hurts their brand.

I will link this guy's channel which i feel does a pretty decent job of debunking this poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=341Lv8JLLV4

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Deptfordx
Dec 23, 2013

I well remember watching a Graham Hancock tv 'documentary' in the 90's, having never heard of him before.

And over half an hour going through the following stages.

- Well this is interesting
- Huh, didn't know that
- That sounds odd
- That seems really implausible
- Oh! This is all bullshit.

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