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Mandoric posted:Retaining walls are more, in my experience, for making the most of tight space by strictly terracing switchbacks and the like. For big pit mines, it's easier to just let it all fall and not build that close to their edges. I agree in general, don't use walls unless you need to - just let it fall and don't have stuff too near the top edge. I'm not a wall expert and I've not done switchbacks yet so maybe there are pro techniques I am missing. One thing not mentioned is you can fit 2 tiers in a single mining square if the top one is on the "back" side. This is relevant because you can't mine a square where a wall is. Here's an example of what I did with that giant coal mine on gold peak. I built a ramp on coal, making walls as I go because I foolishly built way, way too close to the mine. This was a lot of pause-build hassle every time I scooped near it.  Once I hit the bottom I filled in a new ramp with slag and rock and then mined out the old ramp because it was made of coal.  Once I got all the coal I was willing to go for, it's time to fill it in.  Deconstruct the walls as stuff becomes level enough.  Finally, flatten it out and remove all the walls for usable space: 
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Haul truck question. The descriptions say that the dump truck can only carry 'loose' items, and the haul tanker can only carry liquid and gas. Does that mean I have to keep a bunch of smaller trucks to carry 'flat' items, or can the Dump truck carry things like iron plates?
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The Locator posted:Haul truck question. The descriptions say that the dump truck can only carry 'loose' items, and the haul tanker can only carry liquid and gas. Does that mean I have to keep a bunch of smaller trucks to carry 'flat' items, or can the Dump truck carry things like iron plates? You still need small trucks for flat stuff.
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Enigma posted:You still need small trucks for flat stuff. Bummer, thanks.
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Rolling up to the Storage with 36 tons of delicate Electronics and throwing the lever to hoist the bed, ignoring the screams and smashing noises as everything tumbles out.
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LonsomeSon posted:Rolling up to the Storage with 36 tons of delicate Electronics and throwing the lever to hoist the bed, ignoring the screams and smashing noises as everything tumbles out. Says here on the manifest that you ordered a dump truck full of appliances? Look man, I just follow the work order, take it up with the boss!
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I was driving down the turnpike a few years ago and passed a dump truck full of … celery. Not packaged or anything, just a big old truck full of celery. Made sense I guess, but it was weird.
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Ok this all made me think: I’d like to be able to, say, assign one truck to handle only Loose Food jobs, for instance. IDK why you’d want that particularly, the idea is to be able to group jobs, or structures for purposes of job assignments. I guess a better example is that right now I’ve got dump trucks assigned directly to output storages, from mines and import, because More Space on the end of the island I’m using is my only real shortage. There’s three Rock silos and my Gold silo working like this atm and it would be great to be able to group them together and assign their trucks to them collectively, so I don’t have one guy waiting around for Rock when there’s two truckloads of Gold standing by. We really loving need space to put down all the advanced nuclear fuel reprocessing next to the reactors, so I can take one offline and convert it to an FBR with stupor steam! You could have a truck squadron which just handles settlement goods, doing the opposite thing: accepting some downtime from the specific assignment so that you can know gaps will be filled immediately when they happen.
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Sometimes, I load up CoI and decide I want to play Dwarf Fortress.
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Mandoric posted:Sometimes, I load up CoI and decide I want to play Dwarf Fortress. I mentioned some time back in this thread I think - I kinda wish there was a mode where I could just play digging simulator and see what cool stuff I can do with them without needing to worry about keeping everything else running. On trucks, I wish they were smarter about job assignments. I let a couple of dump trucks loose in the wild, not assigned to a mine, and noticed one of them driving around almost empty. I finally figured out that I had my compactor set to accept truck shipments, and the intake storage not set to 'keep full', so that was the root cause and was easily fixed, but I had 60+ regular yellow trucks, but no, it was the mega dump truck that was shuttling recyclables 24 at a time to fill the intake of the compactor, where there were plenty of stone/dirt fill jobs that would have had it taking entire loads. lol. Of course, that did let me find the problem with my recyclable compactor intake.
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While on the topic of fiddly-little-things, I'd like to be able to tell excavators to dump their buckets if they don't have a full load. You get a perfect tempo going with t2's 20 unit bucket into pickups or t3's 60 unit bucket into trucks, but that only lasts until the first time a smaller truck pulls up to them or there aren't 60 units of material in a tile, then they spend the rest of their life dumping the half-scoop they hold, taking a full scoop, dumping from that to finish off the transport, ending up holding half,...
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Do I need to keep Radioactive Waste Storage sites running/staffed once they're full or can I pause them?
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LASER BEAM DREAM posted:Do I need to keep Radioactive Waste Storage sites running/staffed once they're full or can I pause them? Wiki says you can pause, can't confirm from experience but it wouldn't make much sense for it to not to (then it wouldn't decay outside of proper storage? But if it's not decaying it's not irradiating the environs and where does the impetus to use the specific building come from?) The Locator posted:I mentioned some time back in this thread I think - I kinda wish there was a mode where I could just play digging simulator and see what cool stuff I can do with them without needing to worry about keeping everything else running. TBH my current run goes heavily into this philosophy, and it kinda works. If food/water/unity are positive slopes, trees are being farmed, and energy needs are being met by huge deposits or the offshores that last centuries, you really don't have to push, or indeed pay much attention while the clock ticks over--every ten or twenty years I find the one thing I thought was perfectly balanced but instead has a deficit of ten or so units a year, fix it, and move on, and the big expansion will come when the mountain's flattened.
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The impetus to use the nuclear product storage bunker is you can only store nuclear products with those buildings, I think.
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There's always nice long belt trips! Actually, this has me thinking again about a) a labor theory of CoI value and b) a caloric theory of CoI economics; in raw mats the 150 steel 500 concrete/340 const2 640 rubber trade, or broken down even further the 45 iron vs. 140 concrete, 255 wood, 320 copper, 720 rubber, trade is obviously in favor of the storage as it should be, but I'd like to know exactly how and why. Labor's of course going to be tetchy for the obvious reasons much smarter people than I have spent their lifetimes on re: describing socially necessary labor against a backdrop of increasing mechanization and the cost of social reproduction against a backdrop of increasingly efficient farming, but the caloric half should be a rote solution given that the ratios of steam to mechanical energy, steam to heat, and mechanical energy to electricity all stay steadyish (might be weirdness around small vs. large diesel generators?) Mandoric fucked around with this message at 03:33 on May 6, 2024 |
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Mandoric posted:There's always nice long belt trips! Mandoric posted:I'm in the diesel-to-hydrogen transition on my current save, and I'd definitely be careful about full conversion right away--the apparent decent sources of hydrogen before nukes and unlimited electrolysis are all refining diesel production byproducts. Best to keep a balance, unless I'm missing something critical. I think before you endeavor to start measuring and comparing, you should look into reducing your variables by converting down to watts like you thought before. Without establishing a common value for every input, you're going to have a miserable time making any judgements. But it's complex as hell because you've got to follow the path of pretty much every resource back to coal and water (the two most basic inputs to power), and the only reason I haven't given it a shot myself is the complexity of relationships for even something like "an iron plate" is wild. Some things are easier to measure than others I think (things that directly compete for steam like the production of hydrogen, and things that are direct byproducts of that process) but what is the opportunity cost in MW of making Household Goods? The sum of the opportunity cost in MW hours of Glass, Wood, and Steel, plus that of maintenance for a given level of tech... There's a good reason economists most often use monetary value as their proxy for this--with COI we're functionally trying to create prices from nothing.
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Warmachine posted:I think before you endeavor to start measuring and comparing, you should look into reducing your variables by converting down to watts like you thought before. Without establishing a common value for every input, you're going to have a miserable time making any judgements. But it's complex as hell because you've got to follow the path of pretty much every resource back to coal and water (the two most basic inputs to power), and the only reason I haven't given it a shot myself is the complexity of relationships for even something like "an iron plate" is wild. The problem with purely caloric (or wattage, but both for authenticity to physics reasons and that watts through diesel are likely to be the iffiest of those three measures) theories of value is conversely that, especially in CoI, labor-days produce a variable but internally specific wattage (in the early game shifting around based on exactly how far coal has to be hauled but later quite formally scalable to uranium mining-rate) while wattage produces an extremely variable labor-days-equivalent (especially because balanced food is a unity rather than a pop generator, while IRL unity doesn't exist and satisfied pops produce fewer pops, but also just because robo-assys have limited recipe books.) I mean, at the end of the day you can go centuries if you want to in Fallout Mode where no one's moving that skeleton from the apocalypse away from the kitchen table, just dig dig dig as soon as you can get diesel somehow. You can't go a tick without someone there to staff the boiler. What ultimately limits your spread rate is continually supporting food/water/sewage/luxury needs of your housing, because your housing is the only non-negotiable (even roboassy 2s hooked to server farms need those farms to be staffed,) so that has to be the primary bar. And at the minimum, a lot of big unprocessed resources have a hard labor-per-unit target of, uh, whatever rate the world-map mines work at.
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