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I didn't like it as much as as Going Postal. It felt... unstructured.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 05:52 |
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pretty much, it feels very contrived, and forced. Just not the same pacing as the other I have read. It jsut really feels awkward.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 06:48 |
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Agreed. Making Money wasn't BAD, it just wasn't nearly as good as the greatness that was Going Postal. I mean, Moist did his own thing but the antagonist was kind of lacking as well as the clown thing and the mad scientist with his Igor were just...well, not bad but just...they didn't live up to Going Postal.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 07:04 |
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Agreed. I loved Night Watch, Thud, and going postal. I realize not every book can be great, but I am expecting more out of a Moist book. I was thinking that maybe it was me at first. Like I just wasn;t into reading books. But I know that isn't the case for the whole thing. I know I go threw spurts of reading/not reading, but hey.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 07:56 |
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Quite the consensus here! While Making Money grew on me over time, it's definitely not as good as Going Postal. A shame really, because I really like the character Moist von Lipwig, and the banking/finance ideas behind the story were good, and there were many fun elements therein. But in execution it didn't seem to hold together so well.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 09:26 |
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Part of the problem is that it involves the Fool's Guild, which was never funny or interesting (at least to me), and which spoils what is otherwise my favorite Pratchett book, Men At Arms.
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 20:47 |
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Pope Guilty posted:the Fool's Guild, which was never funny
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# ? Jan 8, 2009 23:14 |
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Oh, the good old fools guild in 'Man at arms'. I really thought it was a bit overdone, but overdone in a good way, kinda of how you would expect them to be if they were really exorborant(sp?) and making fun of themselves while not making fun(sounds weird I know, but I don't know how to put it otherwise). Men at Arms was a good book too. I had the general jist of the ending done, but not in the way that it turned out, or who it was. I figured it was either a higher up in the fools, or assassins guild, not the head of the guild, the magic of the gun, or the sword in the wall/king thing.
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# ? Jan 9, 2009 03:46 |
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Entropic posted:Wasn't that kind of the point? I believe he means more in the sense that the Fool's Guild being unfunny wasn't itself very humorous.
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# ? Jan 9, 2009 07:31 |
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Vermain posted:I believe he means more in the sense that the Fool's Guild being unfunny wasn't itself very humorous. Totally agree.
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# ? Jan 9, 2009 07:45 |
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Yeah, everything about the Fool's Guild seemed totally laboured. Every time I come to the Fool's Guild in a book, I sigh sadly.
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# ? Jan 9, 2009 10:00 |
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Pope Guilty posted:Yeah, everything about the Fool's Guild seemed totally laboured. Every time I come to the Fool's Guild in a book, I sigh sadly. Maybe that's the point, meta-humor? Probably not. While we're on the topic, I really liked Making Money, not quite as much as Going Postal, but it's not like comparing Night Watch to Moving Pictures. Also, Pratchett is way better than Robert Plant, he deserves the CBE! Moist von Lipwig fucked around with this message at 05:10 on Jan 12, 2009 |
# ? Jan 12, 2009 05:06 |
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Well, taking my first dive into Discworld. Picked up Mort and Small Gods. Finished Mort and liked it, but so far Small Gods is a lot funnier.
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# ? Jan 13, 2009 18:54 |
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Mokinokaro posted:Well, taking my first dive into Discworld. Picked up Mort and Small Gods. Mort is one of my least favorites (not to say it isn't a good book; it is); Small Gods on the other hand may very well be my favorite. Most of Discworld is better than Mort (in my humble opinion), so if you liked Mort you should definitely read them all.
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# ? Jan 13, 2009 23:20 |
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Mort is interesting background for the rest of the Death books, but it's not really a highlight of the series. You might want to go on with Death in Reaper Man or look into one of the Watch books like Guards, Guards or Men At Arms. Pyramids is another decent standalone, but it's not as good as Small Gods.
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# ? Jan 13, 2009 23:25 |
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Several of the "series" within Discworld start out a bit lamely but get much, much better. Mort is only OK, but it's background for the excellent Reaper Man and Hogfather. Equal Rites is pretty dull, but the later Witches books are much more entertaining. Even the Rincewind books got much better once Pterry had a better idea of how everything on the Discworld sort of worked.
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# ? Jan 14, 2009 00:00 |
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DontMockMySmock posted:Mort is one of my least favorites (not to say it isn't a good book; it is); Small Gods on the other hand may very well be my favorite. Most of Discworld is better than Mort (in my humble opinion), so if you liked Mort you should definitely read them all. Small Gods is definitely my favorite stand-alone, and also a good one to get people hooked on Pratchett in my experience. Terry Pratchett posted:And then a door burst open down the street and there was the cracking noise of a quite large wine amphora being broken over someone's head.
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# ? Jan 14, 2009 00:44 |
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GhostDog posted:Small Gods is definitely my favorite stand-alone, and also a good one to get people hooked on Pratchett in my experience. Right, okay, two things I've learned from today: a) I need to read Small Gods, quite soon. b) Robert Plant is a Commander of the British Empire.
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# ? Jan 14, 2009 18:44 |
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Small Gods finished. Now I just need to decide where to go from here. Going to see what the local store has later today or tomorrow.
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# ? Jan 15, 2009 16:05 |
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Mokinokaro posted:Small Gods finished. Now I just need to decide where to go from here. http://www.lspace.org/books/reading-order-guides/the-discworld-reading-order-guide-1-5.pdf And "Making Money" comes after "Going Postal" in the Industrial Revolution section. Keep in mind that almost any book from any of the character groups is a decent standalone, with most recurring characters well reintroduced each time. The further you go chronologically the less history you'll pick up on, but if you are limited to just what you can find in the local library or bookstore you still can't go terribly (Pterrybly?) wrong.
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# ? Jan 15, 2009 21:11 |
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ThaGhettoJew posted:Keep in mind that almost any book from any of the character groups is a decent standalone, with most recurring characters well reintroduced each time. I think the "City Watch" books should definitely be read in order. The watch is always evolving and improving, and so is Vimes. Edit: Goddamn, my bookshelf is beckoning. I have to read the whole watch series again, don't I? Yes. Yes I do.
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# ? Jan 15, 2009 22:20 |
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GhostDog posted:I think the "City Watch" books should definitely be read in order. The watch is always evolving and improving, and so is Vimes.
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# ? Jan 16, 2009 02:26 |
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GhostDog posted:I think the "City Watch" books should definitely be read in order. The watch is always evolving and improving, and so is Vimes. On the other hand, a lot of the Watch books are incredibly easy to pick up and read. My very first Pratchett book (which has also coincidentally become my favorite) was Night Watch. It was a bit confusing at the start, but the majority of his interactions in the book don't require you to have an encyclopedic knowledge of what Vimes has done. It certainly helps, and also explains a few more things about why he does what he does, but I still enjoyed the book immensely. It was probably one of the few books I had read in years where I had trouble going to bed because I wanted to see what happened so badly.
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# ? Jan 16, 2009 16:59 |
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I've been reading Men at Arms now. I probably should find the 3 novels that take place between it and Night Watch (which I picked up at the same time.)
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# ? Jan 20, 2009 00:57 |
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Mokinokaro posted:I've been reading Men at Arms now. I probably should find the 3 novels that take place between it and Night Watch (which I picked up at the same time.) It's definitely worth reading the Watch novels in order for all the character development. And they're all good. And keep getting better. Night Watch and Thud! are probably my favorite Discworld novels bar none.
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# ? Jan 20, 2009 02:00 |
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I'm not sure what can top Detritus' Full Metal Jacket moment. One of the funniest thing's I've ever read.
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# ? Jan 20, 2009 17:29 |
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It's always been my opinion that Night Watch is the best Discworld book, but only if you've read the majority of the other Watch books. Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, and Feet of Clay, at least. Jingo is pretty meh, but Fifth Elephant was good for seeing what went on in Uberwald.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 02:20 |
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bewilderment posted:It's always been my opinion that Night Watch is the best Discworld book, but only if you've read the majority of the other Watch books. Guards! Guards!, Men at Arms, and Feet of Clay, at least. Jingo is pretty meh, but Fifth Elephant was good for seeing what went on in Uberwald. Jingo was actually one of my favorites (I liked Vetinari when he was off his leash) whereas I didn't care for Fifth Elephant as much. I guess I thought it was cooler for the Watch to be in Klatch rather than Uberwald, but that's just a matter of opinion.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 05:00 |
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Jingo is one of my favourites as well, mainly because it's just so funny.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 15:40 |
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Entropic posted:The City Watch books just get progressively better and better. I specifically remember finishing Fifth Elephant and not reading a better Discworld book until Night Watch came out. I hope Pratchet manages to get another Watch book out before he pops it.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 21:10 |
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I know I am late on this but I have only just got round to Making Money. Reading it as the banking system - based on smoke and mirrors rather than, you know, actual gold - falls down in tatters around us is pretty amusing. I can't decide if Moist would have been pro or anti synthesised CDOs and whether he would have shorted sub-prime mortgage providers, or whether he would have got caught up in the heady get-rich-quick atmosphere which prevailed on Wall Street and in the City until late 2007.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 21:20 |
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EvilMoJoJoJo posted:I know I am late on this but I have only just got round to Making Money. Reading it as the banking system - based on smoke and mirrors rather than, you know, actual gold - falls down in tatters around us is pretty amusing. One of the major themes in that book is that money is worth what it is because we all agree on it, and I loved the point about gold only being worth anything because...we all agree.
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# ? Jan 21, 2009 21:53 |
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Dates for your diary's, 'Terry Pratchett : Living With Alzheimer's' : BBC2 - Part 1 : Wednesday 4th February @ 21:00 GMT BBC2 - Part 2 : Wednesday 11th February @ 21:00 GMT I'm really looking forward to this, and pretty much dreading it as well. I've been reading Pratchett since my Dad first lent me Colour of Magic about 22 years ago. The thought that at some point there won't be any more books never really crossed my mind. I think I'm going to be very depressed.
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# ? Jan 22, 2009 09:59 |
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Jekub posted:Dates for your diary's, 'Terry Pratchett : Living With Alzheimer's' : It's not that he's going to die, I think everyone accepts that's a part of life, and Pterry is going to be having a conversation with someone WHO TALKS LIKE THIS. It's the idea that a man with such a brilliantly comic mind, who can also deal with such complicated issues (Quantam theory etc.) is going to slip away from him and he'll know.
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# ? Jan 24, 2009 18:59 |
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Anybody read "Nation" ? Is it good ?
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# ? Jan 26, 2009 11:13 |
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Spatule posted:Anybody read "Nation" ? Is it good ? I liked it, but I didn't find it on par with his better books. In my opinion, it was missing a real climax and got stuck in a rut of repeating the same points over and over, without much variation in doing so. Good reading once, but there are not enough of the memorable scenes/dialogs that make me read some of Pratchett's books again and again.
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# ? Jan 26, 2009 11:26 |
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UK Goons, I'm surprised nobody has mentioned this earlier but some of the Discworld novels are being broadcast currently as radio plays on BBC Radio 7, available on iPlayer. Unfortunately Mort has been and gone and Wyrd Sisters is starting to "expire", but Guards! Guards! is still available. Not sure if any more books are going to be broadcast. I should point out that they're fairly underwhelming but some of you might like them.
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# ? Jan 27, 2009 02:28 |
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I think they are replays of the various radio plays from Radio 4 which have been broadcast over the years. Some are better than others, I seem to remember Amazing Maurice being a really good one but finding Guards Guards a bit of a disappointment.
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# ? Jan 27, 2009 11:01 |
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Jekub posted:I think they are replays of the various radio plays from Radio 4 which have been broadcast over the years. Some are better than others, I seem to remember Amazing Maurice being a really good one but finding Guards Guards a bit of a disappointment. Amazing Maurice even had David Tennant in it as Dangerous Beans!
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# ? Jan 29, 2009 08:05 |
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Entropic posted:Amazing Maurice even had David Tennant in it as Dangerous Beans! There were some good points too... I jest, David Tennant is actually quite a decent actor, just a shame about Doctor Who really.
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