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niethan posted:Surprisingly sometimes improbable things happen. I don't think you need to make a point that 10-9, 10-9, 8-10 fights are rare, or that a system should/shouldn't be biased for them?
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Feb 16, 2011 09:16
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No the point was wether 10-10 or 10-8 are more likely to result in draws.
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Feb 16, 2011 09:19
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I don't understand why a draw should be scandalous and disappointing unless that wasn't the deserved outcome. My enjoyment of a fight is based on the fight; I don't get soured on the ending unless someone got screwed. I know the reality is that a lot of people feel that way anyway, but I don't. A related question is win bonuses in case of a draw. I suppose we're relying on Dana White's charity in that case; hopefully he would award it to both fighters if they drew because one guy surged and got a 10-8 or it was a really close active fight all the way through, and not do so if it was a lovely gassy fight.
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Feb 16, 2011 14:57
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I like draws when it happens with two good fighters. Because in that case we are probably getting an extra-hyped rematch, like what's going to happen with Edgar and Maynard.
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Feb 16, 2011 16:40
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I think screens for the judges are an obvious good idea but it has to be done right and there some issues that immediately arise: (1) Would the judges have control over which camera angle their monitor displays? - If they do have control, how much of the action are judges going to miss while messing with their monitors because they're old and befuddled by technology? Will there be uniformity in what angles are available and how they are selected, or will these already confused judges have to figure out some new system for every event/promotion? - If judges don't control the angles, are we concerned about the fact that the promoter/producers can now have some control over what the judges do and don't see? Also, every UFC event features an accidental cut to a wide shot of the arena or 3 minutes without audio, what happens if the judges' feed should accidentally (or even "accidentally") cut out at a crucial moment in a fight? Obviously they can just look up at the cage, but it would be a serious distraction. (2) Would there be monitors for every event, even untelevised events? - If there would be, do we think the promoters of untelevised shows are competent enough to set up cameras/monitors correctly? Are we concerned about this big extra cost to small shows? - If there wouldn't be, does it bother us that the judging methods are going to differ based solely on whether the fight is on TV? Would televised shows be required to provide judges' monitors, or would it be up to the promoter? Basically I think I can understand why Kizer freaked out a little bit when he walked in and saw monitors set up without any of these questions being answered. The unfortunate thing is that he will never make the effort to answer these questions and because of that we won't get monitors for judges.
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Feb 16, 2011 18:27
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That's actually something I hadn't considered. If the rules called for monitors for judges, it would gently caress over small-time shows who can't afford such equipment, unless the commission also agreed to be the provider of such equipment for smaller shows.
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Feb 16, 2011 18:52
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mobn posted:That's actually something I hadn't considered. If the rules called for monitors for judges, it would gently caress over small-time shows who can't afford such equipment, unless the commission also agreed to be the provider of such equipment for smaller shows. No rules should require monitors. It should be sufficient that there are supplemental rules for how to provide them.
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Feb 16, 2011 19:37
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kimbo305 posted:No rules should require monitors. It should be sufficient that there are supplemental rules for how to provide them. The thing is, you want consistency in judging across all matches, and if some promotions provide monitors and others don't, there can be an argument that it has an unfair impact on a fighter's record if he loses a decision on a show that does not provide monitors. I'm not saying that's a good argument, but it's probably one of the many threads of thought going through Kizer's mind.
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Feb 16, 2011 19:46
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ACs are free to approve or disapprove of any promotion's rules and general organization. I don't see a problem with a fighter's composite record coming from fights under several rulesets. There will always be controversial decisions, whether or not technological aids are involved. Fighters expect that.
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Feb 16, 2011 20:05
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Rules are already not uniform across promotions.
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Feb 16, 2011 20:33
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What I'm saying is Jake Shields should not be up for a title shot because his Strikeforce wins don't count because they can't use elbows
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Feb 16, 2011 20:39
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You can't see everything sitting cageside. Even if you are occasionally looking up at the bigscreen. Why do you think the scoring in a fight like Garcia/Phan is so obvious to people watching on TV at home and even on lovely streams and can't be figured out by folks sitting 3 feet away from the fence? I really think you would see a marked improvement in judging just by sticking the judges backstage and having them watch the regular broadcast feed. Unless the judges suck because of being old and not having accurate eyeballs nor knowing what the gently caress. In that case I see no solution except replacing them with younger, more competent judges.
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Feb 16, 2011 20:41
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Big Bob Pataki posted:What I'm saying is Jake Shields should not be up for a title shot because his Strikeforce wins don't count because they can't use elbows the athletic commissions are only there to make sure paulo doesn't bring an axe into the ring with him, title shots etc are all up to the promotion. kimbo could fight for the heavyweight title at UFC 130 if dana wanted. the commission has canceled fights like wes sims vs lashley because of experience gaps before but that's rare. vvv haha drat, shows what I get for posting with a fever (not dengue) ForbiddenWonder fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 16, 2011 |
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Feb 16, 2011 20:50
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I want to be an rear end in a top hat in pointing out that I was joking but you were actually trying to help and give good examples I don't know how to handle this situation
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Feb 16, 2011 20:52
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ForbiddenWonder posted:the athletic commissions are only there to make sure paulo doesn't bring an axe into the ring with him, title shots etc are all up to the promotion. kimbo could fight for the heavyweight title at UFC 130 if dana wanted. the commission has canceled fights like wes sims vs lashley because of experience gaps before but that's rare. Did the comission really think that Wes Sims would have beats down Lashley that badly? Or even better, did they think LAshley was gonna whup Sims? hahahaha
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Feb 16, 2011 23:11
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I will never forgive the Nevada State Athletic Commission for not approving Mark Hunt vs Butterbean.
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Feb 16, 2011 23:20
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ForbiddenWonder posted:the athletic commissions are only there to make sure paulo doesn't bring an axe into the ring with him, title shots etc are all up to the promotion. kimbo could fight for the heavyweight title at UFC 130 if dana wanted. the commission has canceled fights like wes sims vs lashley because of experience gaps before but that's rare. but that fight actually happened?
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Feb 17, 2011 00:32
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He means Sims vs Sylvia http://mmajunkie.com/news/17969/ohio-commission-turns-down-wes-sims-vs-tim-sylva-at-adrenaline-mma-iv.mma
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Feb 17, 2011 00:43
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why do bjj guys always say "position before submission" but then try to work off their backs when that is the losingest position?
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Feb 17, 2011 00:51
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Because a lot of BJJ guys are stupid and fall on their backs at the slightest provocation. American Jiu-Jitsu is the new thing.
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Feb 17, 2011 01:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--kqaR4QAHE
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Feb 17, 2011 02:04
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For those of you who are new to MMA, Dave Meltzer has a long write up about Fedor's career in this week's Wrestling Observer.
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Feb 17, 2011 02:39
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Effective grappling isn't defined very well. Taken in isolation, is pressing someone against the fence for 2 minutes effective? Is passing guard effective? I'd say neither of those. The only effective grappling should be attempts to cause damage (a slam or submission attempt). Dominant position (or ride time, as it's called in collegiate wrestling) should not factor in at all.
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Feb 17, 2011 02:54
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If you're able to control your opponent so much in the grappling aspect that they can't mount an offense or escape I'd say that's pretty effective.
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Feb 17, 2011 02:56
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henkman posted:If you're able to control your opponent so much in the grappling aspect that they can't mount an offense or escape I'd say that's pretty effective. I agree - though the people suggesting that control shouldn't factor would never do it watch Jon Fitch's fights and there is no way to come out of it saying that his opponents won the fight with a straight face. His style may be very very boring to some (most) but to say that it doesn't indicate complete dominance and that the rules should be changed is just because of not liking it.
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Feb 17, 2011 04:08
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Gomi Pile posted:why do bjj guys always say "position before submission" but then try to work off their backs when that is the losingest position?
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Feb 17, 2011 04:22
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Gomi Pile posted:why do bjj guys always say "position before submission" but then try to work off their backs when that is the losingest position? Bottom positions are losinger than top positions, but the guard is the least losingest bottom position, so if a dude gets taken down they work from the guard to get on top. You don't really see guys pull guard in mma these days; when they do it is usually because they are bad/desperate.
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Feb 17, 2011 04:29
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but a lot of the time you see guys hang out in guard, and not frantically and constantly attempt to stand up or sweep. is this bad coaching or genetic or what
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Feb 17, 2011 04:58
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Gomi Pile posted:but a lot of the time you see guys hang out in guard, and not frantically and constantly attempt to stand up or sweep. is this bad coaching or genetic or what bad cardio, usually.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:03
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Gomi Pile posted:but a lot of the time you see guys hang out in guard, and not frantically and constantly attempt to stand up or sweep. is this bad coaching or genetic or what Generally it's because the guy on top isn't doing much. Frantically and constantly trying to do anything when the other guy is not doing much and can therefore quickly react and stop you is extremely exhausting and usually doesn't work.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:04
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so what you are saying is that bjj is powerless against a man who mostly wants to lay upon you motionlessly
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Feb 17, 2011 05:09
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Gomi Pile posted:so what you are saying is that bjj is powerless against a man who mostly wants to lay upon you motionlessly congrats, you have rediscovered Frank Shamrock's vaunted Cat Theory of top position.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:11
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Gomi Pile posted:so what you are saying is that bjj is powerless against a man who mostly wants to lay upon you motionlessly If there's one thing Arona has demonstrated, it's that nearly everything is powerless against a man who mostly wants to lay upon you motionlessly
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Feb 17, 2011 05:14
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so if there's this obvious and glaring flaw why aren't people actively trying to find techniques to overcome it
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Feb 17, 2011 05:17
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Gomi Pile posted:so if there's this obvious and glaring flaw why aren't people actively trying to find techniques to overcome it They are. For example lots of guys have gotten good as using the cage to wall-walk back to their feet (like Guillard), guys with good wrestling are good at creating space and coming forward with single legs to take their opponent down or stand back up (Maia is pretty good at this) and some guys are good enough to hit sweeps and subs even when their opponent is locking down. You actually don't often see top ten or top five guys just straight up stuck on their backs these days. Except Kenny Florian.
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Feb 17, 2011 05:23
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Gomi Pile posted:so what you are saying is that bjj is powerless against a man who mostly wants to lay upon you motionlessly its weird Faaaatheeeerdooooooog! 
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Feb 17, 2011 05:23
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force everyone to wear a gi and guard will become far more exciting. ...Every other position will move like molasses.
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Feb 17, 2011 20:55
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Hey Coitus_Interreptus, do you mind if I use your post on page 8 about Kakuda in another SAS thread?
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Has the UFC ever had a big post-match brawl like Mayhem vs Stockton in Strikeforce or Hammer House vs Chute Boxe in Pride?
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