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theboop posted:what's been goin' on: Hey! I wasn't doing "a bunch of entitled whining." Oh wait, yes I was. I for one would love to read a big book of prose from Onstad.
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theboop posted:what's been goin' on: Jesus man, just say you quit already. No "that's what RSS is for and p.s. please pay money for something less entertaining than what I used to provide for free."
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Mar 21, 2011 01:17
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So its finally official that Achewood is over for all intents and purposes. It had a good run until this painful past year of paid subscribers getting the shaft as well as people never getting things they ordered from the merchandise store. Not a big fan of him trying to continue to squeeze donations for the servers for a dead project, or plugging the fan flow that has been largely abandoned or neglected for large parts of the past year. I learned my lesson about paying the man after what happened to the fan flow and more than a few people whose paid orders for merch never arrived, nor ever will.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:31
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You'd have to pay for the fanflow to even comment on that journal.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:50
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He should pull a Berke Breathed and make a new comic which over time gradually starts involving all the characters of his old comic.
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Mar 21, 2011 01:53
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theboop posted:what's been goin' on: I am so sick of that Neil Gaiman article he's wielding like a shield, mostly because it doesn't even really apply to the guy Gaiman's trying to defend. Surely GRR Martin has a contract with his publishing house to finish the series, even if he does owe his fans nothing. That said, personally I certainly don't feel owed any more Achewood, so the only people Onstad really owes anything to now are the people whose money he still has for stuff from the Achewood store... Also much as I love PG Wodehouse, I'm not really sure he's the best person to cite as an artistic role model, since he did essentially write the same book about a hundred times (it is an utterly charming book, though). Also that Nazi collaboration thing... ChuckDHead fucked around with this message at 02:05 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Mar 21, 2011 02:01
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See, this is exactly what I wanted. I'm satisfied with this explanation, regardless of what you haters are sayin'. All I wanted was to know for sure.
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Mar 21, 2011 02:10
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Slashie posted:Jesus man, just say you quit already. No "that's what RSS is for and p.s. please pay money for something less entertaining than what I used to provide for free." I understand everything Onstad is saying and agree that we have no right to complain about no longer receiving what we have been getting for free. But this is the same thing we've been told for months now and at this point I would rather he just say, "It's dead, buy my book" so I can give Achewood my own personal funeral and go buy his book that I am sure I will love. I love you Onstad, you are a talented and entertaining man whose work has inspired deep things in me. I have never and will never feel as if you "owe" me more drawings of verbose cats. But I feel as if my friend is on life support and wish for my doctor to either provide the necessary operation to give it life or pull the plug. grilldos fucked around with this message at 02:17 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Mar 21, 2011 02:13
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Oh well, whenever the new comic strip comes out I'll read it and hopefully laugh, it sucks that we won't be gettin' it regular for the foreseeable future.
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Mar 21, 2011 02:44
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I get the feeling his schpiel about entitlements isn't necessarily aimed at people that were just going, "aw, man, where's the comic been?" He's probably been getting a lot more than that, yeah?
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Mar 21, 2011 02:47
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I guess that explanation is about what most of us expected. I'm happy he's not leaving Achewood behind forever, but it is a bit sad. At least we got eased into the hiatus/pergatory/whatever?  People who paid for stuff and didn't get it should still be mad though.
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Mar 21, 2011 03:28
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Welp, that's that then. Pack it up, we're done.
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Mar 21, 2011 03:47
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Yeah, man, those people who paid for things and never received them are totally just entitled whiners.
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Mar 21, 2011 03:49
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I think his entire argument is moot anyways since he takes "donations". As soon as you start earning money for something, money coming out of other peoples pockets, then you should make an effort to get things done and earn that money. I guess he feels his chapbooks are worth the "donations", but if scribbling around in book is worth money, then anyone could get on the web and upload their pointless doodles and get paid for them.
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On the one hand I totally felt where he was coming from. I think everyone who has ever tried a creative project has felt this way at one point or another. On the other hand gently caress yes people who haven't gotten the content and merchandise that they paid for are entitled to complain! He wrote an essay on how people who get free content in little pieces shouldn't bitch on his microsubscription service.  Speaking for myself, I don't see my Assetbar subscription getting reactivated to see more chapbooks and potential half-formed things. I'll take the suggestion of leaving it to RSS (in the same category as PBF - "updates rare as the dickens"). e: Is there an RSS feed for only the achewood.com updates and not the assetbar subscription? I can't find one now 
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Mar 21, 2011 04:05
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I imagine that if I looked back through this thread, I would see my own posts wavering between defending Onstad and attacking him, but I'd like to think that none of what I said was "entitled whining". At worst, I would call what I have said simply disappointment. Maybe there's been a bit of whining in here, but overall I don't think it's been all that bad. Maybe the worst of it, if it exists at all, lies elsewhere. I do, however, have two things to say to Onstad if he's reading, as unlikely as that is these days: First, you're absolutely right that you owe us, your fans, nothing. But, we owe you nothing in return. Up until now there's been a fair exchange of your comics for our fan loyalty. If you want to change the arrangement at this point, that's absolutely fine--you're totally entitled, if you feel your creative juices drying up--but don't be surprised and hurt when we feel a little betrayed and say so. And if your comic continues to wilt away, it's quite likely that many will eventually stop reading it and seek greener pastures. And second, "Please stop whining. Here's why I'm slowing or stopping the comic. PS: [sales pitch]" Classy. I guess this is me moving from disappointment to annoyance.
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csammis posted:e: Is there an RSS feed for only the achewood.com updates and not the assetbar subscription? I can't find one now http://www.livejournal.com/users/achewoodfeed/data/atom has worked fine for me since forever.
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Seeing achewood like this is like seeing an old dog with cancer that's barely clinging on to life. You had a great time with him when he was young, and you'll always have those memories, but right now he's just in so much pain. Here's the gun, Chris. It's time to do the right thing.
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Can anyone send me an alternate link to read this other than what's on the achewood page right now? Doesn't appear to be working anymore, in fact it looks like assetbar has been shut down completely. 
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SearchForDelicious posted:Can anyone send me an alternate link to read this other than what's on the achewood page right now? Doesn't appear to be working anymore, in fact it looks like assetbar has been shut down completely. Moved to his personal blog during server maintenance. Be sure to donate to keep Achewood up and running so you'll never miss an update!  vvv Weird, not for me. I'm reading through the blog right now. Hilariously, the next most recent update is 2009's "here's why the strips are so few and far between" essay. Slashie fucked around with this message at 06:46 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Mar 21, 2011 06:36
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Servers are down on that ^ Chris Onsted posted:Hiatus, Explained Tenderly and with a Great Gentleness. EDIT: Well that will teach me to refresh before posting
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csammis posted:e: Is there an RSS feed for only the achewood.com updates and not the assetbar subscription? I can't find one now http://www.achewood.com/rss.php There's a tiny itty bitty link down on the bottom of the page for it.
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An interview with Onstad himself is now up over on Comics Alliance.quote:CA: Not too long ago you opened up the Tip Jar, something you rarely push. Did the lack of financial support impact your decision to go on hiatus? I suppose that makes a kind of sense. Also: quote:To comic fans, this is the equivalent of hearing, like we so sorrowfully did earlier this year, that The White Stripes are no longer making music. This strikes me as a flawed analogy but maybe I just didn't like the White Stripes enough? H.P. Shivcraft fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Mar 21, 2011 |
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Mar 21, 2011 21:32
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FUUUUUUUUUUUCK the White Stripes ended?  *edit* Ok their reasons are really respectable, but still. I came into this thread for a mild downer and got a major one. *edit2* 
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Mar 21, 2011 21:41
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With Chris putting Achewood on hold and Pratchett soon retiring from writing due to his Alzheimers I'm not going to have anything witty as gently caress left to read no more. Nice of him to finally tell us though, I wish The Simpsons faded into a possible long term hiatius like it has done.
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Bloody Hedgehog posted:I think his entire argument is moot anyways since he takes "donations". As soon as you start earning money for something, money coming out of other peoples pockets, then you should make an effort to get things done and earn that money. I guess he feels his chapbooks are worth the "donations", but if scribbling around in book is worth money, then anyone could get on the web and upload their pointless doodles and get paid for them. You're not paying for future work, you're tipping for work done. When I tip a waiter I'm not expecting free work next time I come to the store. If you're referencing the fanflow, you're paying for access to view content you cannot view otherwise. Even if he never adds anything ever again to it, it's still content you can't get otherwise. You're paying for access. This is not a new idea in the least.
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SeanBeansShako posted:With Chris putting Achewood on hold and Pratchett soon retiring from writing due to his Alzheimers I'm not going to have anything witty as gently caress left to read no more. Yes you do, the author's name is Christopher Moore. He's not as amazing as Terry Pratchett, but anyone who likes Onstad/Pratchett would probably enjoy Moore's work.
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Huh. Well, that's too bad, but at least it's more or less official now. Wonder who I bitch to about getting my $12.95 back for Cookbook II?
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welp. I was checking to see if there was going to be any signing thing at the Dark Horse booth at Wondercon again this year (missed out one 2 years ago cause a stupid panel was going on that was not entertaining AT ALL). Guess not.
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poo poo. I look forward to whatever Onstad has in the works but god drat it he should have leveled with us sooner. I was genuinely concerned for his health. edit; Oh, and I'm also a little peeved that the last arc never really wrapped up. ONSTAD, DID TEODOR COLD HAVE A PETER IN HIS MOUTH OR NOT? Leaving a plot thread like that hanging is bad form. Call it "entitled whining" if you must, but that's a hell of a thread to never follow up on. Happy Hippo fucked around with this message at 23:34 on Mar 22, 2011 |
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Mar 22, 2011 14:36
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I've always thought that Achewood had a format that would be really hard to keep up- most comics that do have something larger than a three or four panel format do have huge lag time, especially the ones that don't re-use art. The most consistent ones do have a smaller format. If it takes four hours to do a four-panel strip then maybe that's more manageable than fifteen or sixteen hours. It comes down to comfort level, I guess. Could you split something like this into a week-long series of strips? Even artistically, is it possible to do so and retain the overall narrative?
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Happy Hippo posted:ONSTAD, DID TEODOR COLD HAVE A PETER IN HIS MOUTH OR NOT? He did whatever it was that he had to do, but also what he wanted to do. So there you go 
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Did Pat ever say good things about Ray's dick? GODDAMN IT ONSTAD DON'T LEAVE ME HANGIN' Hey waitaminute that's two unresolved plot threads about dicks
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Schroedinger's Rad Chiles
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Happy Hippo posted:ONSTAD, DID TEODOR COLD HAVE A PETER IN HIS MOUTH OR NOT? While it was a little annoying that he never presented the last little chunk of story that arc had, I don't think this question was ever going to be answered explicitly.
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Sprecherscrow posted:While it was a little annoying that he never presented the last little chunk of story that arc had, I don't think this question was ever going to be answered explicitly. Teodor's sexual orientation gets questioned a few times, so i wasn't expecting an explicit answer to what happened inside the van, either (which is fine), but an end to the arc would have been much appreciated, especially since it took like a year to get as far as it did. oh, and it's also kind of a crappy way to "end" the strip, but i probably didn't need to point that out.
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funkybottoms posted:Teodor's sexual orientation gets questioned a few times, so i wasn't expecting an explicit answer to what happened inside the van, either (which is fine), but an end to the arc would have been much appreciated, especially since it took like a year to get as far as it did. oh, and it's also kind of a crappy way to "end" the strip, but i probably didn't need to point that out. Personally, I kind of feel like Onstad went from dropping the occasional tidbit about Teodor's sexuality to basically hitting us in the face with a hammer. The "Honest Man Comix" strip was particularly insistent upon it, especially after our last glimpse of Teodor in the Van of Good and Evil. You can only pull so much out of the closet before it's finally empty and you're just left with a room full of tacky junk. The arc deserved a real end, but that end could easily have been the "HIGH SCHOOL IS OVER!" bit instead of trying to tack on something between Ray and David Lynch. After the sixteen thousand hints in the strip over the years, I think we can assume that some Full Amazement occurred in the back of that van.
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Mar 23, 2011 06:36
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Cut it out you two don't you know there's a war on!
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It's a not-war, just like the last two. It's also probably a good time to reread the archives.
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I would be perfectly sympathetic to Onstad if he had not shilled for donations at the end of that message, gently caress him.
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