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HNasty posted:It's not everyone else's responsibility to provide a place for you to pursue your hobby. It's not property owners complaining about us normally, it's cops not understanding what we're trying to do and being pricks (they normally think we're racing and tell us to go to the track).
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inolen posted:It's not property owners complaining about us normally, it's cops not understanding what we're trying to do and being pricks (they normally think we're racing and tell us to go to the track). Maybe you should take their advice. Or you know, buy a lot to stunt on.
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Oct 1, 2011 01:07
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Z3n posted:Generally most people protest any sort of idiot behavior. Hell, sigtrap even came in here awhile back and said that any street racing bullshit would get you banned (ie, Jack the Smack's poo poo). Even then, his videos weren't that bad, just powerwheelies down public streets. Riding a standup through oncoming traffic is a loving deathwish, and I'm pretty sure if we had any videos of people pulling absolutely insane poo poo like that, then yeah, they're get bitched at too. Point taken, I can get behind that. inolen posted:It's not property owners complaining about us normally, it's cops not understanding what we're trying to do and being pricks (they normally think we're racing and tell us to go to the track). So this really confuses me. I got in an accident one day in a parking lot where the other party was clearly at fault (they backed into me as I was driving behind them). The cop on that came on the scene and filled out an accident report for the both of us. When I looked at it later I noticed that the officer did not assign fault on his report. I called him back and what he basically said was because the accident happened on private property and not a public road, the lady couldn't be charged with improper backing as there was no rules against in a private lot and that his hands were tied to really enforce anything. That sounds just as wtf to me and as it does you but I wasn't going to argue with the guy as I don't know the law at all when it comes to this stuff. But if that's the way it is how come they'll sure as poo poo give everyone tickets and poo poo when they're stunting in a parking lot. Coredump fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Oct 1, 2011 |
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Oct 1, 2011 01:09
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Drunk Pledge Driver posted:Maybe you should take their advice. Or you know, buy a lot to stunt on. I don't think the resources exist in our sport to make that possible yet, sorry. I don't know if either of you felt like perhaps thinking about what you wrote for a few seconds, but race tracks and skateboard parks came long after the respective sports were developed  Also, unlike racers who need dedicated tracks to get off the streets, there are many pre-existing lots that suit our off-road purposes perfectly. I don't know about you, but wasting land, money and resources to create an isolated duplication of some pre-existing structure seems like a rather silly solution to a social problem. I get along great here in France, in fact we called the cops to kick some hostile gypsies out of our spot today so we could ride:  Coredump posted:That sounds just as wtf to me and as it does you but I wasn't going to argue with the guy as I don't know the law at all when it comes to this stuff. But if that's the way it is how come they'll sure as poo poo give everyone tickets and poo poo when they're stunting in a parking lot. As far as I know it's different in every state. I believe CA referred to it as "private property with public access," but at the end of the day it boils down to what the cops wants to write tickets for, and how much time you want to spend in a courtroom. inolen fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Oct 1, 2011 |
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Oct 1, 2011 01:21
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inolen posted:I don't think the resources exist in our sport to make that possible yet, sorry. How about about paying the property owner to use the lot, that way cops can't say poo poo to you, you're on private land.
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Oct 1, 2011 01:26
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HNasty posted:How about about paying the property owner to use the lot, that way cops can't say poo poo to you, you're on private land. Because that's not how it works 100%. Private property, motor vehicles and law enforcement isn't cut and dried.
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Oct 1, 2011 01:29
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inolen posted:Because that's not how it works 100%. Private property, motor vehicles and law enforcement isn't cut and dried. P sure that's what the SCCA people do when they race their miatas around cones and poo poo.
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Oct 1, 2011 01:49
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Coredump posted:Point taken, I can get behind that. They can't really enforce traffic laws on non public roads but they can tell you to get off of private property. Most of the time they ask you if you're the owner (knowing you're not) and then ask if you have permission from the owner (knowing you don't) this way they can get you to leave without receiving a complaint. It's not really to protect the property so much as it is to prevent large groups of people from congregating in groups because they thinks it causes trouble (most of the time it does).
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Oct 1, 2011 01:52
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HNasty posted:P sure that's what the SCCA people do when they race their miatas around cones and poo poo. Miata owners usually aren't considered a menace/enforcement target like stunters are. Because of that, cops don't go generally go after them...although I have had people doing unofficial autocrosses get busted, and I've had cops roll up when I'm teaching people to ride in a parking lot. Some are cool, some will try and nail you on anything.
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Oct 1, 2011 01:53
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HNasty posted:P sure that's what the SCCA people do when they race their miatas around cones and poo poo. Yes, governing bodies and legitimate, well-presented organizations with actual resources are much more of a deterrent to a cop being a dick than a kid with a piece of paper saying he can do wheelies in the parking lot, also, they clearly they have more ts crossed and is dotted than a singular person. front wing flexing posted:They can't really enforce traffic laws on non public roads but they can tell you to get off of private property. In many states they can hit you with the same exact tickets as if you were on the road if the access to the parking lot isn't closed off (this definition is total gray area).
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Z3n posted:Miata owners usually aren't considered a menace/enforcement target like stunters are. Because of that, cops don't go generally go after them...although I have had people doing unofficial autocrosses get busted, and I've had cops roll up when I'm teaching people to ride in a parking lot. Some are cool, some will try and nail you on anything. I dunno the Miata drivers you run into at deals gap are a pretty big menace. This just sounds like you need someone who knows how to talk to cops, if you have a agreement with the owner of the property and it's private land the cops can gently caress right off. At most this would require a little paper work and some planning. Why not call the cops ahead of time and tell them what you're doing so they don't flip out. It's not anywhere near a impossibility, I'm surprised more stunters do it. Anyway here is some content. 
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Oct 1, 2011 02:50
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inolen posted:It's not a "justification," it's just the reality of the situation. In America, if you hurt or kill yourself (or someone else) in my parking lot, I'm legally liable, and could face millions of dollars in law suits. Also, there's no way you could get insurance as a business if you knew that's what was going on in your lot. This is why it doesn't happen in the US, and probably never will.
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Oct 1, 2011 18:14
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This looks pretty loving evil: BMW S1000RR Megalodon
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Oct 1, 2011 21:08
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Coredump posted:Yes, Phat Albert, ruler of Cycle Asylum, has spoken. Inolen you must leave here in shame. Sweet post bro  Way to miss the point too. What im saying is he's done a lot to improve the image of stunters here, in a forum where they typically werent very accepted. Backing things like this undoes that. But yeah, it was just me trying to play "ruler of CA" and telling him to get out.
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Oct 2, 2011 02:24
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Who wants to rule over like 12 people anyways?
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Oct 2, 2011 02:32
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Nomex posted:In America, if you hurt or kill yourself (or someone else) in my parking lot, I'm legally liable, and could face millions of dollars in law suits. Also, there's no way you could get insurance as a business if you knew that's what was going on in your lot. This is why it doesn't happen in the US, and probably never will. This is simply not true. 
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Oct 2, 2011 02:59
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Does that guy have an Edwards replica helmet to go with the Edwards replica R6?
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-Inu- posted:Does that guy have an Edwards replica helmet to go with the Edwards replica R6? Ya but I think both both those things are Roberts replicas which Edwards also wore.
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Oct 2, 2011 03:09
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HNasty posted:So when are you assholes heading back to the gap? I'm getting bored yelling at people for being in the wrong lane alone.
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Oct 2, 2011 04:30
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HNasty posted:This is simply not true. It's actually kinda true if you could prove negligence on the part of the property owner, and prove that the accident coincided with what a reasonable person would do. You slip and fall on some ice that formed over night, too bad. You slipped and fell on some ice that the property was aware of while walking, sue em. You slipped and fell on some ice the property knew about while you weren't looking because you were blowing your 500lb man servant "Sla-var the Anal Destructor" while propelling yourself on a Mattel hoverboard, too bad again. If you bring a Jury into this, throw all of that out of the window. gently caress Juries.
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Oct 2, 2011 14:06
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TheFonz posted:gently caress Juries. Yes, truly we need more people, specifically judges to protect the interests of government and big business.
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TheFonz posted:It's actually kinda true if you could prove negligence on the part of the property owner, and prove that the accident coincided with what a reasonable person would do. Depends on your state but you can sign plenty of idiot waivers and dumbass releases, I'm not saying property owners should start letting stunters use their lots whenever they want, I'm saying stunters should pick a good spot, strike deals, sign whatever waivers and releases and get poo poo done, this really isn't impossible, if one person can't do it then why not start a organization. Basically the argument "we don't have anywhere to go" is a cop out. for NitroSpazz  Just because it's awesome 
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Nomex posted:Also, there's no way you could get insurance as a business if you knew that's what was going on in your lot. This is why it doesn't happen in the US, and probably never will. A $1,000,000 Commercial Liability Policy cost the organization around $750/year in 2001. Adjust for inflation-ish things, and you're looking at maybe $1500/year - for an organization composed of members who hit each other with *live steel* at their events. The problem I see isn't with setting up the structure of an organization, or finding level headed individuals to fulfill the leadership roles - it's convincing a bunch of teens and 20-somethings (who are totally willing to spend hundreds or thousands on tricking out their Gixxers) that $75/year and $50/event is a completely reasonable thing to expect if you want to enjoy the benefit of legitimacy - which means not being hassled by the cops, but also means having to have the self-regulation to practice your hobby on a schedule...
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxxM9EYQzY
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lwoodio posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxxM9EYQzY Bless those Russians...never change.
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http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg take a second to absorb what's going on here. Hyper-motard. Moto-Guzzi 1420 cc. One-hundred and Forty horsepower. Single sided swingarm?  
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Oct 3, 2011 02:53
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If it's like any other italian sumo it will grenade an engine every 500 miles.
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Oct 3, 2011 03:22
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That sump looks like it's begging to get hit by something solid.
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Oct 3, 2011 03:29
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Hahahah oh god it has rain tires on it.
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lwoodio posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0zxxM9EYQzY Best thing I've seen all day
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg lemme add something to your brainsplosion: Shaft Drive
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:http://www.bikeexif.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/moto-guzzi-stelvio.jpg Oh hell yes.
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That thing looks sexy as hell but the oil pan looks very vulnerable and it's probably quite heavy. A quick Google search of the Stelvio says they weigh upwards of 550 lbs. Even if you drop 100 lbs off of it for all the stuff removed it's still quite the porker and heavier than most sport bikes.
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Drunk Pledge Driver posted:That thing looks sexy as hell but the oil pan looks very vulnerable and it's probably quite heavy. A quick Google search of the Stelvio says they weigh upwards of 550 lbs. Even if you drop 100 lbs off of it for all the stuff removed it's still quite the porker and heavier than most sport bikes. They've lost most of the plastic, the end can and chopped the subframe. It's quite possibly similar in pork to the Dorsoduro 1200. Whether there's any point in buying a Stelvio to turn it into this when you could just buy a Dorso for a lot less money is of course a good question. As is, in turn, why you would buy a Dorsoduro 1200 when you could buy a Super Duke, a Mk II Tuono, a Hypermotard etc etc etc, any of which are capable of leaving something that heavy for dead at the first sign of a corner. Presumably the answer has to be, you really want a Guzzi.
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You can ask the same of any other one-off bike ever. The answer is never "because it is the smart option".
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HNasty posted:for NitroSpazz is that a honda SOHC 4 motor? it certainly looks it.
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:is that a honda SOHC 4 motor? IIRC, it's supposed to be the CB750 from Joe Bar Team. Following an experiment with nitro-methanol, which was some sort of weird recurring French joke in that strip. e: sorry, "Nitroglycerimethanol". Saga fucked around with this message at 15:33 on Oct 3, 2011 |
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   Never has  been more appropriate. Crazy loving Finns. http://www.customfighters.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47225
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