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Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp

SubbyMinx posted:

I cut them out and kept the cute pictures of alternate builds that was on the back/side of every one.



Why in the world did they stop printing alternate builds on the back on the instructions or boxes? I used to love those as a kid, and it prompted experimentation as you tried to figure out how to do it.

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Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Faerunner posted:

I wish. Point me to a Walmart in/near Pittsburgh that has any in stock and I will buy their entire stock out.

Well, the only Walmarts I even know of are the one in South Hills and the one in Pittsburgh Mills. I can check the South Hills one on my way home from work tomorrow night if you want :shobon:

Faerunner
Dec 31, 2007

Sockser posted:

Well, the only Walmarts I even know of are the one in South Hills and the one in Pittsburgh Mills. I can check the South Hills one on my way home from work tomorrow night if you want :shobon:

Well, don't go out of your way, but if you happen to stop in... I've already looked at Robinson, their Lego section was WIPED OUT. Literally just a quarter of the Star Wars and a handful of other sets scattered about, it looked like a whirlwind hit.

ExplodingSquid
Aug 11, 2008

I'd love to see a Lego Frank Sinatra house.

djfooboo
Oct 16, 2004




Was looking at Friends seeing all the cool new colors then this happened :3:

Gravy Jones
Sep 13, 2003

I am not on your side

Jut posted:

Why in the world did they stop printing alternate builds on the back on the instructions or boxes? I used to love those as a kid, and it prompted experimentation as you tried to figure out how to do it.

They actually have a few (very few) alternate builds online (http://club.lego.com/en-us/building/BuildingSteps.aspx) so someone at LEGO obviously likes them. I think there were a lot of factors though.

Increased specialised parts being the big one. But also higher internal quality control with regards to "legal" builds. I suspect the rise of licensed sets might have something to do with it as well.

One explanation I've seen is that back in the day the people who made the set would just throw together a couple of alternatives and they'd photograph them and throw them on the box. Now, the process would have to begin at the design stage, all alternatives would have to go through the same level of quality control and in the case of licensed sets get whatever approval was needed (which might be no small thing for something like Star Wars as they might need to be "canon" as it were). While the additional cost might not be too high, it would slow down the production of the core set too much.

Obviously for the Creator 3-in-1 sets this process (minus license approval) is part of it. They're made from the gound up with multiple builds in mind.

All that gibberish aside I completely agree with you and used to love the suggestions. There's an archive of some here: http://www.flickr.com/groups/1566428@N21/

Out of interest does anyone know if any licensed sets ever had alternative builds?

Gravy Jones fucked around with this message at 12:10 on Dec 21, 2011

okkie
Oct 3, 2005

play nothing

Gravy Jones posted:

Out of interest does anyone know if any licensed sets ever had alternative builds?

Old Star Wars did, as you can see here.

Merchant of Death
Jan 19, 2006
Cha-Ching

Jut posted:

Why in the world did they stop printing alternate builds on the back on the instructions or boxes? I used to love those as a kid, and it prompted experimentation as you tried to figure out how to do it.

my favorite alternate build I made was one from the back of black seas barracuda where the ship was in a drydock and under construction. In the end I don't think any of my alternate builds were identical but they gave me ideas of what to do with what I had in the box and I usually went from there. It is a shame they have gone away and are replaced by showing the features of the model.

BetterWeirdthanDead
Mar 7, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
I like that the Friends robot uses the Mind Storm color scheme.

Shuppiluliumas
Nov 9, 2006

Jut posted:

Why in the world did they stop printing alternate builds on the back on the instructions or boxes? I used to love those as a kid, and it prompted experimentation as you tried to figure out how to do it.

Gravy Jones basically said it, but the main reason is cost. They have to pay their designers to make them, and with so many more sets and themes coming out each year than they had 20 years ago, they don't consider it worth the designers' time or their expense. It really is a shame though. I think it may be part of the reason that people don't all get that you're not meant to just build the set as instructed and leave it that way. The alternate builds prodded you to do other things, but I can't tell you how often we get questions about gluing at shows. Parents don't like that their kid puts his x-wing together only to drop it and break it the next day. We try to explain that its ok, and that it can open up other building possibilities, but then it becomes clear that not everyone sees that as the point of buying LEGO.

Fooley
Apr 25, 2006

Blue moon of Kentucky keep on shinin'...
It's a drat shame when a kid "breaks" a LEGO model and his immediate response isnt to rebuild it with a rainbow of bricks and slap some skulls and knights onto it.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe
My first exposure to LEGO was a big box of unsorted hand-me-down parts with no instructions. It took me several years and a bunch of new LEGO purchases before it dawned on me that this wasn't the intended state of LEGO.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

Gabriel Pope posted:

My first exposure to LEGO was a big box of unsorted hand-me-down parts with no instructions. It took me several years and a bunch of new LEGO purchases before it dawned on me that this wasn't the intended state of LEGO.

Pssh, says you. :colbert:

Fooley
Apr 25, 2006

Blue moon of Kentucky keep on shinin'...

Gabriel Pope posted:

My first exposure to LEGO was a big box of unsorted hand-me-down parts with no instructions. It took me several years and a bunch of new LEGO purchases before it dawned on me that this wasn't the intended state of LEGO.

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.

Sexual Lorax
Mar 17, 2004

HERE'S TO FUCKING


Fun Shoe

Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.

Right now, it's only the Lunar Limo for me. I take everything apart, but that hoopty is just so badass that I haven't been able to bring myself to disassemble it yet.

Shuppiluliumas
Nov 9, 2006

Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.



I've had that backhoe together since about 1992. I don't build a lot of Technic, so it never really occurred to me to take it apart. I think I rebuilt it once just for fun, but it's never been taken apart for any actual length of time.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.

Farnsworth House, and that's mostly because I don't ever want to go through putting it back together. (Also because it looks pretty neat.)

einTier
Sep 25, 2003

Charming, friendly, and possessed by demons.
Approach with caution.

VanSandman posted:

Have they truly stopped making original grey? It was such a good color.
For those of us who don't know, can someone put all the grays next to each other and take a photo? I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly bley is and how it differs from all the other grays that have been offered.

MajorBonnet
May 28, 2009

How did I get here?

einTier posted:

For those of us who don't know, can someone put all the grays next to each other and take a photo? I'm having a hard time understanding what exactly bley is and how it differs from all the other grays that have been offered.

This blog post has a picture of grey vs. faded grey vs. bley:
http://gimmelego.blogspot.com/2011/04/bleach.html

EDIT: I can't see much difference, but it might be more noticeable in a MOC combining them.

InfinEight
Apr 25, 2007

What planet is this again?-- OH SHIT
It really depends on how you photograph whatever you've used those colors in, but I think it's generally most visible under white light rather than sunlight/natural light. I think both colors together make for a nice weathering effect.

InfinEight fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Dec 21, 2011

Shuppiluliumas
Nov 9, 2006
Here's my effort. It can be hard to see the colors properly in many kinds of light, but I think you can see the differences between them here, at least:



The top row is old light grey and old dark grey and the bottom row is light bley and dark bley.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


Shuppiluliumas posted:

Here's my effort. It can be hard to see the colors properly in many kinds of light, but I think you can see the differences between them here, at least:



The top row is old light grey and old dark grey and the bottom row is light bley and dark bley.

I hate how garish fluorescent lighting makes things look. :(

That said, I must be in the minority thinking bley is actually better looking.

Shuppiluliumas
Nov 9, 2006

rickiep00h posted:

I hate how garish fluorescent lighting makes things look. :(

That said, I must be in the minority thinking bley is actually better looking.

Yeah. I overlit them so you can actually see the difference between them. In normal light particularly light grey/light bley is really hard to see sometimes.

Time Cowboy
Nov 4, 2007

But Tarzan... The strangest thing has happened! I'm as bare... as the day I was born!

rickiep00h posted:

I hate how garish fluorescent lighting makes things look. :(

That said, I must be in the minority thinking bley is actually better looking.

I don't mind how the bleys look, if anything dark bley is one of my favorite base colors for MOCs, but I do not like mixing old gray with bley. I don't like the "weathered" look at all.

Black Stormy
Apr 1, 2003

Fooley posted:

It's a drat shame when a kid "breaks" a LEGO model and his immediate response isnt to rebuild it with a rainbow of bricks and slap some skulls and knights onto it.

My 4 year old has the LEGO advent calendar. Every morning the first thing we do is open the days box and build whatever it gives us. By the time I get home from work he has disassembled it and put its pieces into the hundred different cars, boats, or planes he has built that day.

VaultAggie
Nov 18, 2010

Best out of 71?
I'll admit, I've been very happy with my Star Wars advent Calendar. It started out pretty weak with the prequel poo poo but once I started making an X-wing and a tie fighter, then it owned.

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Faerunner posted:

Well, don't go out of your way, but if you happen to stop in... I've already looked at Robinson, their Lego section was WIPED OUT. Literally just a quarter of the Star Wars and a handful of other sets scattered about, it looked like a whirlwind hit.

They had one duplo xxl box left and none of the Lego. Sorry bro.

Jut
May 16, 2005

by Ralp
trying a new approach after buying more storage containers, sorting a bag of 'black' and realising i *still* don't have enough storage.

I'm sifting through everything and trying to build the Green Grocers, Hotel and the MTT at the same time. The green grocers isn't too bad due to the dark green being able to spot, neither is the MTT as brown really sticks out and I only have 2 sets that use that colour much. Dark blue of the hotel is impossible to spot though.

Once all my sets are built, I think I'm just going to store them as sets.

MinionOfCthulhu
Oct 28, 2005

I got this title for free due to my proximity to an idiot who wanted to save $5 on an avatar by having someone else spend $9.95 instead.
I'm sure everyone knows this but Lego sets are BOGO 50% at Toys R Us. The last day of the sale is Christmas Eve.

IronSaber
Feb 24, 2009

:roboluv: oh yes oh god yes form the head FORM THE HEAD unghhhh...:fap:

MinionOfCthulhu posted:

I'm sure everyone knows this but Lego sets are BOGO 50% at Toys R Us. The last day of the sale is Christmas Eve.

Is there a price limit for getting half off? 'cause this is tempting me to pick up both the Queen Anne and the Black Pearl.

Glass Joe
Mar 9, 2007

IronSaber posted:

Is there a price limit for getting half off? 'cause this is tempting me to pick up both the Queen Anne and the Black Pearl.

Don't think so, I was tempted to get the two Cargo Trains, which I asked for but have been told I am not getting for xmas :sigh:

Zeether
Aug 26, 2011

Shuppiluliumas posted:



I've had that backhoe together since about 1992. I don't build a lot of Technic, so it never really occurred to me to take it apart. I think I rebuilt it once just for fun, but it's never been taken apart for any actual length of time.
I have a Pneumatic set that's a backhoe (8455) and it's still put together as a front end loader, because I hosed up making the backhoe due to cutting the tubing at the wrong length or something. Pisses me off so much :(

Do they still make Pneumatic stuff now? I love the hell out of that despite the tubing issue.

rickiep00h
Aug 16, 2010

BATDANCE


IronSaber posted:

Is there a price limit for getting half off? 'cause this is tempting me to pick up both the Queen Anne and the Black Pearl.

There is not, but it (of course) doesn't include Star Wars.

I was in today to spend a $25 gift card and it was kind of a pain in the rear end to come in under $25, but not so far over that it was impractical. Since they were on BOGO50, everything was up at normal price, and holy crap is it hard to get even normal sets at anything approaching 10 cents per piece. (I ended up getting this one and a minifig that ended up being a Snowboarder. :( )

Shuppiluliumas
Nov 9, 2006

Zeether posted:

I have a Pneumatic set that's a backhoe (8455) and it's still put together as a front end loader, because I hosed up making the backhoe due to cutting the tubing at the wrong length or something. Pisses me off so much :(

Do they still make Pneumatic stuff now? I love the hell out of that despite the tubing issue.

Yes they do.

You can get pretty long lengths of pneumatic tuning on Bricklink, and I even think there are some 3rd party options as well. All you need is ~4mm diameter rubber hose.

Zeether
Aug 26, 2011

Shuppiluliumas posted:

Yes they do.

You can get pretty long lengths of pneumatic tuning on Bricklink, and I even think there are some 3rd party options as well. All you need is ~4mm diameter rubber hose.
Holy poo poo that truck is amazing.

Also, thanks for the tip. I've used Bricklink before when I've had the odd lost part and I had feared Lego had scrapped the Pneumatic line completely. Nice to know it's alive and well.

fosborb
Dec 15, 2006



Chronic Good Poster

Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left.

Deep Space Defender. I've had that fucker built for years and at this point I just can't bring myself to take it apart. Outside of that, I only have an AT-ST and a recent Kingdoms set put together.

Just can't get past that good ol' Ice Planet nostalgia.

Zeether
Aug 26, 2011

gently caress. I tried putting together the 8455 backhoe, and they make it so drat hard to tell where you're supposed to route the tubing in the instructions for the thing. The color coding works a little, but then I get it mixed up. I may just disconnect the tubing and finish the frame, then go back through the instructions and reconnect the tubing by color.

Zeether fucked around with this message at 07:03 on Dec 22, 2011

Sockser
Jun 28, 2007

This world only remembers the results!




Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.




:shobon:

It's a stupid loving set.

Phy
Jun 27, 2008



Fun Shoe

Fooley posted:

This makes me think of something. What's the oldest set anyone has they never took apart? And I mean built once and left. I've had one of those Technic Pit Droids on my shelf for the longest time. Probably because the rubber bands broke, and I don't have much Technic besides it to use for MOCs.

Do you mean with no tweaks? Man, that's actually pretty tough, I always end up fixing one slightly clumsy thing or another. I think it'd have to be the second-latest A-Wing. I still have a B-wing all together but I rebuilt it so that the studs were on the other side, I've got a few technic motorbikes that I tweaked a little... didn't do jack to the big front end loader or zoom-boom though, but the A-wing's older than both.

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Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

Sockser posted:




:shobon:

It's a stupid loving set.
Shut your whore mouth. This was my first Mindstorms set and it was awesome. :colbert:

I ordered the UCS Obi-Wan's Starfighter last week when it was half off on Amazon and started building it tonight. I didn't realize how loving gigantic it is. No idea where I'm going to display it.

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