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Amarkov posted:I think that's really the problem. He's not a horrible character, but his flashbacks were so soul-crushingly boring and predictable that my hatred of them transferred to him. When that reveal happened, I was thinking "oh god finally the flashbacks are over". Likewise, the flashbacks are basically stealing screentime from the 'current' plot, which made them feel worse than they were.
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veekie posted:Likewise, the flashbacks are basically stealing screentime from the 'current' plot, which made them feel worse than they were. The flashbacks work on more levels than people give them credit for. Most important is the establishment of the light eyes, dark eyes animosity, and then thr general world situation before the various armies temporarily united to go after the Parshendi after the king is murdered. We get some of the same information from Dalinar and Adolin's perspective, but it would seem superficial coming from them, because they are privileged and there is no real emotional investment in their class situation like there is for Kaladin. And another thing, I liked how telegraphed the thing with Kaladin's brother was. I think that was intended by Sanderson, because I had a real sense of dread waiting for it. The last time I felt that kind of dread was with Susan in Wizard and Glass by Steve King. King did it better, to the point that I actually felt sick, but Sanderson's effort worked too.
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BananaNutkins posted:And another thing, I liked how telegraphed the thing with Kaladin's brother was. I think that was intended by Sanderson, because I had a real sense of dread waiting for it. The last time I felt that kind of dread was with Susan in Wizard and Glass by Steve King. King did it better, to the point that I actually felt sick, but Sanderson's effort worked too. Funny, the flashbacks reminded me a lot of Wizard and Glass as well. They both have that semi-dreamlike state, that just makes reading them a really awesome experience. Unless of course it's too much of a transition for you, which is understandable--you're right in the middle of the story, and then you get broken out of it and are expected to read some story that's just very different. The best I can say for those who don't enjoy it is, it'll probably be better the second time through, because you won't have that subconscious anxiety that it's taking away from the "real" story. And if not, at least you can skip it guilt-free.
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# ? Jan 14, 2012 23:04 |
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ConfusedUs posted:They're just different. I love the entire series. But if I had to be 100% honest, here's how I'd explain each book's faults: My only real problems with the second and third books was just too much recapping.
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# ? Jan 16, 2012 01:31 |
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muscles like this? posted:My only real problems with the second and third books was just too much recapping. I think they were written like people would read them a couple years apart and need some recapping, but of course no one reads them that way so it feels awkward.
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# ? Jan 16, 2012 15:05 |
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My biggest problem with the Mistborn Trilogy was that I knew how book 3 ended by the middle of book 2 (I expected book 2 to end that way for some reason).
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 17:46 |
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The General posted:My biggest problem with the Mistborn Trilogy was that I knew how book 3 ended by the middle of book 2 (I expected book 2 to end that way for some reason). Are you speaking generally? Like you kinda figured there would be an end of the world type scenario? Or had you figured out some of the specific revelations like Ruin's body being atium, Preservation's body being the mist, the mist forcibly snapping everybody (which is how the random deaths happen), vin's earring being a hemalurgic spike that allows Ruin to keep tabs on her, etc? I don't think Ruin or Preservation get mentioned untill the end of the second book.
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 18:05 |
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The General posted:My biggest problem with the Mistborn Trilogy was that I knew how book 3 ended by the middle of book 2 (I expected book 2 to end that way for some reason). I don't think that's a very common problem.
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 18:19 |
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I kinda figured the whole 'shattered world' thing would be fixed and the world would go back to normal, but I don't know if I'd say I saw it coming (it was just an idea bouncing around in my head after they started discussing how the world used to be).
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 19:47 |
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So Sanderson is going to be doing a Q&A on reddit. He hasn't said anything worthwhile so far, but he did drop this little tidbit:Brandon Sanderson posted:
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 20:13 |
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Oh no! We might to wait a whole five years to get another Mistborn book!
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 22:38 |
Mahlertov Cocktail posted:Oh no! We might to wait a whole five years to get another Mistborn book! Less than that if he does another Alloy of Law book in-between Stormlight Archives books.
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# ? Jan 17, 2012 23:28 |
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So I've just finished Warbreaker and I feel as though I missed something semi-important. The high priest for the God King is named Treledees, and about midway through the book, Denth is referred to as VaraTreledees. He's called this twice more before the book ends. Is there a relationship between the characters? Does the prefix mean something that I just missed? I tried just searching for the prefix, but found nothing except the three occurrences where it's used with the name.
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# ? Jan 18, 2012 06:07 |
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If you need more proof that Brandon is a goon. http://twitter.com/#!/BrandSanderson/statuses/159855329717403648 bigGIANTcircles Jimmy Hinson posted:Seriously, I feel like I should write a soundtrack for Mistborn. What say you @BrandSanderson? You favor orchestral or electronic? Brandon Sanderson posted:@bigGIANTcircles Of yours works, my favorite is Anthem of a Metroid Hunter. (Excellent work, by the way.) Maybe a blend favoring Orchestral? Edit: Oh wtf Brandon... quote:Right now, taking a (short) break from the WoT rewrite to spend an evening working on the Mistborn video game script. Q: Xbox? PC? A: Both. Q: I don't suppose you can tell us who's developing it yet, can you? A: Afraid I'm not allowed to say yet. Q: Is Epic games developing? Is this how they got you to write the Infinity Blade novella? A: I hope to do some projects with Epic in the future, but they are not doing this one. Part of why I took that project, however, was to get more experience with video game storytelling and plotting. Makes sense. Cartoon Man fucked around with this message at 13:41 on Jan 19, 2012 |
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I do have to say that I just want more Rock because awesome cook. Also waiting for Kaladin to kill his High lord who sold him into slavery in a duel taking back the plate and blade. And if it was going to be super scripted giving it to the kings uncle for the blade that saved the bridgemen.
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# ? Jan 19, 2012 16:45 |
Is there any difference between Warbreaker v6.1 and the one available in Amazon?
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# ? Jan 19, 2012 20:37 |
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Nope, just the fact that the Amazon version gives Brandon money for a job well done. Edit: Wait, are you talking about the free version Brandon put up on his website?
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# ? Jan 19, 2012 20:48 |
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Cartoon Man posted:Q: Xbox? PC? I'm really hoping it's a pseudo Metroidvania style, where you aren't a full on Mistborn at the start, and get the alloys with Lerasium that make you a misting of each type as upgrades through the game. Like maybe you start with a lovely one, like gold, and end up a full Mistborn who rips poo poo up. Maybe an Arkham Asylum type game, since tin is sorta like detective vision.
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# ? Jan 19, 2012 22:01 |
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I would definitely prefer the Assassin's Creed/Arkham City style, if only because that seems more fitting for a console/PC tile, while a metroidvania would more likely than not end up exclusive to smartphone platforms.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 00:14 |
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I'm hopeful that it takes place before the first trilogy of books and follows Kelsier's mentor.
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Cartoon Man posted:Nope, just the fact that the Amazon version gives Brandon money for a job well done. Yup, the last version he posted here.
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I'm about halfway through The Way of Kings, and I'm curious, do people actually like Kaladin and his plot? As far as I'm concerned he's the worst part of the book. His story is going nowhere - he just decided they're going to try and escape, but I looked a few hundred pages further and he still loving doing bridge runs and poo poo and hasn't done anything. It's pretty obvious he's eventually going to go super saiyan and become Jesus or whatever (which I'm sure I won't care about either), why is Sanderson loving around with this bridgeman poo poo? I wish this was a GRRM book so he'd die. e: I do like most everything else about the book though. Kaladin just annoys the poo poo out of me. The only thing I like about his chapters is Syl. Rock is pretty cool too. Conduit for Sale! fucked around with this message at 05:33 on Jan 20, 2012 |
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Conduit for Sale! posted:I'm about halfway through The Way of Kings, and I'm curious, do people actually like Kaladin and his plot? As far as I'm concerned he's the worst part of the book. His story is going nowhere - he just decided they're going to try and escape, but I looked a few hundred pages further and he still loving doing bridge runs and poo poo and hasn't done anything. It's pretty obvious he's eventually going to go super saiyan and become Jesus or whatever (which I'm sure I won't care about either), why is Sanderson loving around with this bridgeman poo poo? It feels like people are wanting the story to be super fast, but this is going to be like a 10 book series, so I'd expect the first book or two to be a lot of character and world building. The bridge thing is really just showing his natural leadership and his slow building of long-dead powers. Remember this is a guy (Sanderson I mean) that really loved the WoT and it had similar pacing early on in the series.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 05:58 |
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I don't necessarily want it to be super fast. I like Shallan and Dalinar/Adolin, and their plots are anything but quickly paced. There's just nothing I particularly like about Kaladin, and there's nothing I find interesting about his story. The others each have something I can sink my teeth into, whether it's Dalinar's visions or Jasnah figuring out whatever it is she's figuring out and teaching Shallan, Although, I would unironically read a one act, conflictless book about Shallan being tutored by Jasnah where the resolution is Shallan becoming educated, so my opinion on Shallan's chapters is probably suspect. Also, I got that Kaladin was a natural leader and had something lucky about him that would probably end up being superpowers from his first chapter. Everything after has just been filler.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 06:05 |
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I dunno what to tell you other than that (dunno why I'm even spoilering this, honestly) his story is more about the journey than the destination.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 06:16 |
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I just needed to vent more than I was looking for anybody to tell me it gets better. I think I'm just never going to like Kaladin. It's funny, people were talking about how much they disliked Kaladin's flashback chapters a page or two ago, but I find those way more interesting than Kaladin's current chapters. Anyway, I have a question: do Szeth's intermission chapters take place at the same time as the rest of the book? Because I'm sorta wondering if Shallan's father was on the list Szeth got.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 06:38 |
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Kaladin is slow as poo poo and nobody will argue with you about that, but he's mostly worthwhile by the end of the book. Whether you hated or liked the flashbacks. Way of Kings was about worldbuilding, and it did that well. I felt it wasn't a great book on its own, but I really do think it will pay off.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 07:05 |
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One of the main purpose of Kaladin's story is about giving a view into lives of the common people and dark eyes. Without it, all you have it Shallan and Dalinar's light eyes perspectives. Plus, Kaladin's crew all seem very interesting as well. It also ties nicely into Dalinar's story since both are taking place in the same time and place. Shallan's always felt the most disjointed since it seemed to have no tie in to the main plot other than a few snippets. I do like all the characters, though, and thought that Kaladin's plot's climax was pure awesome.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 07:33 |
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 07:34 |
I just finished Warkbreaker. The story was fun and the magic system creative but the epilogue was a bit disappointing. I guess I cared more about Siri and the God King than Vivenna and Vasher and the obvious sequel hook felt forced.
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Conduit for Sale! posted:Anyway, I have a question: do Szeth's intermission chapters take place at the same time as the rest of the book? Because I'm sorta wondering if Shallan's father was on the list Szeth got. It's actually impossible to answer any part of this with anything except "keep reading".
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 14:45 |
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Brandon tweeted that the Mistborn videogame announcement should come sometime next month. The game is set hundreds of years before the first book, so no Kelsier and company. Tentatively set for summer/fall 2013.
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gmq posted:I just finished Warkbreaker. The story was fun and the magic system creative but the epilogue was a bit disappointing. I guess I cared more about Siri and the God King than Vivenna and Vasher and the obvious sequel hook felt forced. Surprisingly, with such an obvious "there's more!" ending, it's the one book I don't think he has said he is going to do a sequel to in the near future.
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subx posted:Surprisingly, with such an obvious "there's more!" ending, it's the one book I don't think he has said he is going to do a sequel to in the near future. He actually has talked about doing another book set in the Warbreaker world, speculative title is Nightblood (the name of the talking sword).
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 18:48 |
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Streebs posted:He actually has talked about doing another book set in the Warbreaker world, speculative title is Nightblood (the name of the talking sword). See, that'd make me happy. I liked the sword quite a bit, and while Warbreaker was fun, I felt like they sort of didn't integrate it very well into the story.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 19:01 |
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OmniBeer posted:See, that'd make me happy. I liked the sword quite a bit, and while Warbreaker was fun, I felt like they sort of didn't integrate it very well into the story. I think the reason for that is that if Sanderson had focused more on Nightblood earlier in the story, there wouldn't really have been a story. Most of the conflict came from how Nightblood was created and the consequences of that.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 21:01 |
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Holy poo poo. I really wish I had the cash for this. http://www.brandonsanderson.com/blog/1048/
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 21:48 |
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Kreeblah posted:Holy poo poo. I really wish I had the cash for this. Jesus those are nice-looking books. But yeah, the bid's already at $600, soooo.
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# ? Jan 20, 2012 22:23 |
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Conduit for Sale! posted:I'm about halfway through The Way of Kings, and I'm curious, do people actually like Kaladin and his plot? As far as I'm concerned he's the worst part of the book. His story is going nowhere - he just decided they're going to try and escape, but I looked a few hundred pages further and he still loving doing bridge runs and poo poo and hasn't done anything. It's pretty obvious he's eventually going to go super saiyan and become Jesus or whatever (which I'm sure I won't care about either), why is Sanderson loving around with this bridgeman poo poo? Yeah, I pretty much said all these things a few pages ago. People defend it a bit, but I'll tell you now, his story doesn't get any better. Just push on through.
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# ? Jan 22, 2012 07:06 |
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He gets a little more interesting, but it's a slog yeah, especially all those flashbacks. I think there were better ways to tell his story, but not that would have fit with the rest of the novel/series, so we got what we got. I consider the whole book to be world building so it's sort of forgivable, but it's his worst book when it comes to pacing and being self contained.
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