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monkeyspank posted:Even Adobe has ceded the Flash on mobile argument. I was booked on a job because I could play flash and change a UA to desktop on location. I went to show a perspective client a reel that's hosted on vimeo. Bringing it up on any mobile device or the vimeo app would serve flash or HTML5 depending on the user's device. Vimeo has a setting that locks out mobile devices from content. I switched over to the tablet browser which could serve the normal site in flash, showed the reel and was able to book the job. Flash across the web isn't going to disappear quickly and its pretty crazy that some of you think taking away the option of using it is a positive. eric posted:It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED. I dig when you grasp at straws. It amuses me. zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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zer0spunk posted:I was booked on a job because I could play flash and change a UA to desktop on location. I went to show a perspective client a reel that's hosted on vimeo. Bringing it up on any mobile device or the vimeo app would serve flash or HTML5 depending on the user's device. Vimeo has a setting that locks out mobile devices from content. I switched over to the tablet browser which could serve the normal site in flash, showed the reel and was able to book the job. I'm happy it worked for you but if it was a technology that could have viably been adapted for mobile long term it would have been. I'm glad that there was a device that could satisfy your use case just like I am glad that the success of iOS hastened the demise of Flash in the long run.
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Eugene Jerome posted:Your overpriced, oversized iPod is cool. Just let us chill in this thread, k? Look I agree it's pretty annoying but resorting to calling an iPad an "oversized iPod" is not going to lead to people just chilling.
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monkeyspank posted:if it was a technology that could have viably been adapted for mobile long term it would have been. I'm glad that there was a device that could satisfy your use case just like I am glad that the success of iOS hastened the demise of Flash in the long run. I'm not sure what your point is with this, other then to look super spergy? I needed to use flash, I had a device it worked on. Someone at some point thought it was viable enough to create that content with flash, other wise it would have been a non issue. Once they stop using flash, guess what, I'll still be able to access that content, just like I can right now. My point, and I actually had one, I needed flash and I had something that could do it when I needed. If I didn't I would have lost a job.
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eric posted:It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED. It was 7 million sold vs 3 million shipped in 2010. In 2011 it's 15 million sold vs 10 million shipped (and possibly almost all sold considering the Kindle Fire's success). Altogether there are more iPads yes, but Android is catching up - just like it did on phones. Also flash is not going anywhere for a long time. Adobe is incompetent above all things which, among other things, led them to leaving the mobile space. It also doesn't change the fact that till flash disappears, Android phones and tablets can still run flash.
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eric posted:It's 15 million SOLD vs. 3 million SHIPPED. This is the stupidest distinction you could make, but it's a popular one with the iOS fanboys. See if you can follow me here: In order to SELL a device, it must be BOUGHT from the manufacturer and then SHIPPED to the retailer, where it is the SOLD to the customer. There isn't a landfill full of things not made by Apple.
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Playbook sales are booming, great success!
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Dodoman posted:Also flash is not going anywhere for a long time. Adobe is incompetent above all things which, among other things, led them to leaving the mobile space. It also doesn't change the fact that till flash disappears, Android phones and tablets can still run flash. Err, what? As far as I'm aware, there's only a few spaces where Flash is popular online: - Web games. Irrelevant on tablets, since they pretty much run universally awful on mobile, and are pointless compared to native apps and HTML5 games (Zynga). - Video. YouTube will probably phase out desktop Flash within a few years once browsers get their poo poo together a little more, and it's already totally HTML5 on mobile. I don't know why iOS still has the YouTube app; I just use their mobile site when I can. - Bad restaurant sites. Thank god for Yelp. So... where else are you seeing Flash? Honest question, not trying to be fanboy at all, I'm just wondering.
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Anal Tributary posted:- Web games. Irrelevant on tablets, since they pretty much run universally awful on mobile, and are pointless compared to native apps and HTML5 games (Zynga). Someone please tell Kongregate that... (I don't use them, it's just preinstalled bloatware)
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Anal Tributary posted:Err, what? As far as I'm aware, there's only a few spaces where Flash is popular online: In addition to those there many websites which use flash. Granted I (and many of us) don't use them, but they do exist. Youtube is not the only video site which hosts videos using flash (and not all videos are available via HTML5 on Youtube itself). I'm not in the US so I've never personally used Yelp, but the Australia equivalent does use flash I think. Also flash ads are all over the web (easily blocked, but still prevalent). VVVV Same thing he said as well. Dodoman fucked around with this message at 21:21 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Anal Tributary posted:Err, what? As far as I'm aware, there's only a few spaces where Flash is popular online: I don't think anyone is white knighting flash at all. It runs like garbage on OSX and I wish it didn't exist, but when I need it, I'd rather be able to use it then wish I could. you hit the nail on the head though, flash is used in almost all gaming and media content across the web. Blame actionscript. It's up to you on if you discount how valid that is, but media wise: youtube, hulu, vimeo, fox, tbs, abc, adult swim, comedy central, HBO GO..pretty much the only major media site not using it is netflix and that uses silverlight instead, not HTML5. games: kongregate and newsgrounds off the top of my head. I really can't think of any games site using HTML5. html 5 canvas is the future, but it's still very limited. If it wasn't flash would have vanished already. edit: marketshare charts pretty interesting. 70/30 in q4'10, 60/40 in q4'11 ios/android users. if it's anything like phones it'll be 45/55 by q4 this year. more then double growth in total tablets shipped on all oses combined. even the playbook got a .2 bump in a year of sales. people like tablets, who knew. zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Internaut! posted:Playbook sales are booming, great success! Ah, the false equivalency fallacy merged with a strawman. Excellent.
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zer0spunk posted:I don't think anyone is white knighting flash at all. It runs like garbage on OSX and I wish it didn't exist, but when I need it, I'd rather be able to use it then wish I could. All of these sites either have mobile sites that use HTML5 and/or apps, making Flash support irrelevant. quote:games: kongregate and newsgrounds off the top of my head. I really can't think of any games site using HTML5. Flash gaming is irrelevant on mobile, though, for exactly why I said. Flash is dead on mobile. It's not that it's "not going anywhere for a long time," it's already gone, full stop. Even most porn sites have HTML5 versions now, I mean come on y'all.
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God drat it annoys some people that others use their poo poo for different things. "I use flash regularly on my mobile device." "Well you're wrong and stupid and shouldn't do that." Edit: I miss seeing that the thread had a lot of new posts and having those posts be about actual Android tablets and other cool stuff
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This is such a weird loving argument. "I use feature X and want something that has that feature." "No, there's no use for feature X." Edit: Goddammit codius. Anyways, so absurd. I don't care at all about Flash, but stop acting like nobody uses it when someone posted on this page that they use it. I also have no use for GPS in a tablet, but I don't argue that it's a positive that the Transformer Prime's GPS is hosed up. vvvvvvvv Ok, fair enough. Focusing on Flash as a positive or negative seems pretty useless to me, but it always gets into this argument. Ciabatta fucked around with this message at 21:40 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Codiusprime posted:God drat it annoys some people that others use their poo poo for different things. This wasn't my point at all, and I was worried someone would take it that way. I was just responding to the statement that "Flash isn't going anywhere," and also to the idea that Flash is a missing feature of iOS.
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Safari and IE are abandoning plugins in future releases. That will be the true death of Flash. Microsoft is even killing Silverlight to hasten that along. Here's a serious iOS v Android tablet question: digital magazines, what kind of support is out there in the Android universe? Apple is trying to clean up the App Store by collecting the various magazine clients in Newsstand, and Amazon is a big seller through the Kindle platform but for some reason won't support it's Android client, just Fire and iPad. Back when I set up my Mom's iPad, you couldn't get away from the apps by Newsweek, Oprah Magazine, etc. At least from my searching, Android seems kind of deficient in this area, the way the phones lacked a lot of official news apps from CNN and the like 18 months ago. But I'm probably not seeing the tablet-only apps, so I don't know if this is just my sample. One would think magazines would be at home here, since Google isn't forcing people to use the in app purchases system to give them a cut of the entire publishing indistry's revenue.
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Anal Tributary posted:All of these sites either have mobile sites that use HTML5 and/or apps, making Flash support irrelevant. CBS and FOX actually don't if you're trying to be as pedantic as you are. You're ignoring the point all of us are making..let me quote hulu, maybe you'll take them seriously? quote:An Aside on HTML5 You can discount all you want, HTML5 isn't taking over for flash yet. I hope it does at some point soon, flash isn't great. zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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CBS owns the TV.com app, actually.
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My issue with HTML5 video is because it's usually associated with mobile, it becomes a prime target for "lets charge for this because mobile is some sort of special flower that we feel can't have access for free like PCs." For example. I like to watch each week's Zero Punctuation on my Xoom. However, The Escapist views mobile access as a "premium" feature and the HTML5 video stream is behind a paywall. Fortunately, I don't have to deal with that and I can just watch it in flash as I would on a PC.
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Craptacular! posted:CBS owns the TV.com app, actually. CBS interactive does. not CBS Entertainment. CBS and FOX don't have apps like NBC or ABC for whatever reason..it is kind of strange. VVVV What are you looking for? Hard case? Sleeve? Dock/No Dock? I wanted something like the laptop sleeve I have for a macbook, less of full carrying case and more of protection against tossing it into other objects like a backpack. Since availabilty still isn't that wide spread there's not many options tailored to the primes dimensions yet. I went with a wenger/swiss gear 10.2 sleeve as someone else mentioned it's a perfect fit for the prime + dock. Out of any of the generic cases for tablet only ipad 2 ones seem to work best, but the prime is thinner so it's something to keep in mind. rooCases are supposed to be decent too. swissgear 10.2 (they make em without the handle/strap option too, i figured can't hurt to have 'em) zer0spunk fucked around with this message at 22:18 on Jan 29, 2012 |
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Is there a consensus best case for the Prime? I know that some posted their cases earlier, but I am still trying to figure out which to get from Amazon reviews.
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Craptacular! posted:Here's a serious iOS v Android tablet question: digital magazines, what kind of support is out there in the Android universe? Apple is trying to clean up the App Store by collecting the various magazine clients in Newsstand, and Amazon is a big seller through the Kindle platform but for some reason won't support it's Android client, just Fire and iPad. I haven't seen any support at all on Android. Then again on iOS the most common question about News Stand seems to be 'how do I hide it' so I don't know if they're making inroads either.
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dissss posted:I haven't seen any support at all on Android. Then again on iOS the most common question about News Stand seems to be 'how do I hide it' so I don't know if they're making inroads either. News Stand might not be too helpful for Goons, but it's a really good feature that tons or people, myswlf and GF included use all the time.
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I know Barnes and Noble added in support for magazines awhile ago in the Nook app.
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bull3964 posted:I know Barnes and Noble added in support for magazines awhile ago in the Nook app. Yeah my wife uses this quite a bit, but I've never bothered. I'm waiting for more interactive magazines!
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Craptacular! posted:Safari and IE are abandoning plugins in future releases. That will be the true death of Flash. Microsoft is even killing Silverlight to hasten that along. I don't know if this would fit your needs, but check out Google Currents. There is a lot of free magazine content on it. Does the B&N client support magazines?
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Kynetx posted:Does the B&N client support magazines? As long as the publisher allows it. Conde Nast, Wired's publisher, specifically blocks access to Wired on the B&N client for Android. Other publishers do allow their magazines on the B&N client.
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Kynetx posted:Jesus christ, we need another thread for you idiots to have your iPad vs. Android dick measuring contest. Can we please, please, please have a thread about Android tablets without the YOSPOS trolling? You know, I wasn't even making an argument for iOS devices, I was just saying that buying a $99 tablet with the expectation to try and fix it is a bad idea. But I guess if you want to conflate that to all android tablets then I guess I can't really argue with you.
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ModestMuse posted:Yeah, it's great having the iOS fanboys poo poo up the thread and let us stupid Android users know how great it is: Eugene Jerome posted:I really like this thread and the previous thread, and it depresses me when it gets closed because the Apple nuts can't stop being faggots. This is XDA level posting. It's post like these that are what gets the thread closed, not "Apple nuts being faggots." The fact that they weren't called out (or were called out on semantics and not for the fact that they were just truly awful posts) makes it even worse. Most people weren't even discussing iOS products, but the mere fact that someone would dare criticize the customer service policies of Asus or the general misguided attempts at making $150 "digital readers" into Android tablets must mean they're trolling Apple fans. And then we get posts like those.
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I don't necessarily see what is misguided about attempting to make a cheap tablet into a functioning Android device. No one expects to get the level of performance or usability you would from a real tablet but that does not mean what you end up with will be totally different.
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El Duke posted:This is XDA level posting. It's post like these that are what gets the thread closed, not "Apple nuts being faggots." The fact that they weren't called out (or were called out on semantics and not for the fact that they were just truly awful posts) makes it even worse. Most people weren't even discussing iOS products, but the mere fact that someone would dare criticize the customer service policies of Asus or the general misguided attempts at making $150 "digital readers" into Android tablets must mean they're trolling Apple fans. And then we get posts like those. If I leave for a day, come back and see this thread has 200 new posts, I always assume it's an off-topic argument of some sort. Sure enough, that's what it was. I've seen 5 pages of people arguing that Flash is dead, when it's clearly not and they're just going by whatever the Apple status-quo is. It's like if we were in medieval times and the king was castrated, everyone else in the kingdom would cut their dicks off to make him not feel bad. Just because Steve Jobs couldn't work out an agreement with Adobe and became a pissy baby about it, that doesn't mean iOS users have to degrade Flash. I have an iPhone - it's great. But for daily computing, I *need* something that has expandable storage and works with every possible format. Apple doesn't serve me in that way, and my aunt just got an iPad and hates it because of what it *can't* do. The app store is also horribly neutered and unexciting - it's like if Disney was trying to filter a porn site and make it kid-friendly. Life isn't kid-friendly.
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El Duke posted:Ok, so, any discussion involving android tablets in the android thread must: 1) Mention ipads since they are "current #1 market leader" or whatever that one guy was saying in his complaint post. 1a) Not be allowed to mention any negatives of the ipad when comparing them to android tablets. Noted. Why do ipad users come to the android tablet thread again? Other then to shitpost? We don't care about your ipad, how hard is this to grasp folks. Jesus-tapdancing-christ.
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zer0spunk posted:Ok, so, any discussion involving android tablets in the android thread must: They're just making sure that any misguided soul that wanders into the Android Tablet Megathread knows that all Android tablets are hacked together turds and to just buy an iPad instead. It's a public service they're doing.
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Excellent posts about ANDROID TABLETS in the last 5 pages:Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:It's just weird. Apple, with the iPod, finally "got right" a lot of what was wrong with the fragmented and Engrish market of MP3 players and made it accessible and easy to use. They then continued on with the iPhone and iPad - they didn't coin just a catchphrase, but literally proved that their stuff Just Works. eric posted:at any tablets being competitors to the iPad. Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:When you buy any product from Apple, you also get a free personal setup where they'll open the box with you in store, give you a tour, then do things like set up your email and set you up with an app store account so when you leave the device is personalized for you. Dr. Video Games 0050 posted:Any Apple product can be bought from any other store and then brought to an Apple store for repairs or help. You can literally pick the Specialists brain, get his non-commissioned advice, buy it from Best Buy, but then if you have a problem you can go to Apple. Also AppleCare comes with everything automatically regardless of where you buy it. Toady posted:For some people, gaining a sensation of mastery over computers substitutes for the feeling of control missing in their lives. Four hours configuring a smartphone OS is considered time well-spent. Any attempt to reduce the need for "tinkering" is a direct threat to the ego and breeds resentment, especially if the attempt is popular among the same kinds of mainstream users who made them feel alienated in the first place: "You can't tell ME what to do, Steve Jobs! *huff*" Toady posted:Android's demographic is split between budget buyers and these "freaks". I was explaining to Dr. Video Games why someone like this wouldn't want a tablet to work out of the box or feel magical. got dat wmd posted:Actually if you think about it, Android rooting is more akin to gluing gears to a car/bike to make it steampunk. Kynetx posted:I would like you to describe to me a plane of reality where it's possible to live a normal life without acknowledging the existence of iOS. Great, no trolling, no shitposting, no off topic posting. I don't see at all why anyone would be annoyed by the threadshitting up in here. Just wanted to get that all nice and collected in one place, maybe we can get it added to the OP.
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zer0spunk posted:Ok, so, any discussion involving android tablets in the android thread must: the first post used the typical XDA/DROID DOES marketing reasons that an iPad sucked; it could have been a comment on a Gizmodo iPad article. The second called Apple fans "faggots." These are bad posts. I don't give a gently caress about what you should or shouldn't mention in a post. And yes, you very clearly care about the iPad.
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El Duke posted:
Look at the post above yours. I really don't. All I'm trying to do is discuss the latest android tablet, in the android tablet thread. Oddly enough, this doesn't exist in the android phone thread. Go figure.
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El Duke posted:the first post used the typical XDA/DROID DOES marketing reasons that an iPad sucked They are all valid criticisms, just as valid as Asus's poor customer support. They are the very reasons why many of us own an Android device.
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El Duke posted:the first post used the typical XDA/DROID DOES marketing reasons that an iPad sucked; it could have been a comment on a Gizmodo iPad article. The second called Apple fans "faggots." These are bad posts. I don't give a gently caress about what you should or shouldn't mention in a post. I just saw your avatar - is Apple-loving like your gimmick or something?
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Codiusprime posted:They're just making sure that any misguided soul that wanders into the Android Tablet Megathread knows that all Android tablets are hacked together turds and to just buy an iPad instead. It's a public service they're doing. With all the talk of buying tablets to hack them up, I could see how someone might think that!
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