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Whoa, whoa, that's getting a bit eager. We all know Winds isn't coming out first.
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smarion2 posted:HAHAHA and after all that Tyrion is going to finally find out that the love of his life has been under his nose the whole time. A lil pig rider named Penny. He'll finally find someone who loves him for himself and not his money. How sweeeeeet.
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Apr 12, 2012 20:34
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Joramun posted:They have more of a big brother/little sister relationship, rather than a romantic one. Like Jaime/Cersei?
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Apr 12, 2012 20:41
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Touché. But I was thinking more like Jon/Arya.
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Apr 12, 2012 20:44
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Joramun posted:But I was thinking more like Jon/Arya. My guess? Wait and see. Jon will be teaching her how to stick them with the pointy end before too long 
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Apr 12, 2012 20:58
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Joramun posted:Touché. I forget who it was, but someone around here used to argue fervently that they were also loving.
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Apr 12, 2012 20:58
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IRQ posted:I forget who it was, but someone around here used to argue fervently that they were also loving. And why not? Jon is a secret targ so they are only cousins yes I'm kidding
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Apr 12, 2012 21:00
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IRQ posted:I forget who it was, but someone around here used to argue fervently that they were also loving. GRRM account spotted?
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Apr 12, 2012 21:01
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Rurik posted:
Probably because Tyrion had half his, already ugly, face chopped off? He's a halfman but he's drinking for two? She was having a lovely day? It doesn't really matter other than it helps GRRM justify it, or since he is making it patently clear that he hates his fans maybe he's just ruining the character for funsies. Since a certain someone is taking a forums vacation today I'll just add, Absolute Fucker!
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Apr 12, 2012 21:05
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whowhatwhere posted:Don Giovanni is a straight-up villain. ... If Tyrion has to be anyone from that opera, he's Leporello: a man who might be decent were he not trapped in a situation that strongly encourages evil. (B) We could always turn Tyrion into Donna Elvira, always searching for a love he can never regain. Or not. Rurik posted:What's the direction here? That Tyrion shouldn't be liked as a literary character? Should he be disliked then? What about other literary characters then, for instance Raskolnikov? What I read as the direction here is "is this character, considered within the context of 21st-century English-speakers' morality, a morally good person?" Tyrion is obviously magnetic: his scenes are IMHO consistently the most fun to read, and seeing a Tyrion viewpoint perks me up nearly as much as an Asha or Arya viewpoint. He has done enough evil-by-my-morality things that I consider him likable, but morally ambiguous at best. And, like Theon, I expect him to have opportunities to turn it around.
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Apr 12, 2012 21:17
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Arsenic Lupin posted:Tyrion is obviously magnetic: his scenes are IMHO consistently the most fun to read, and seeing a Tyrion viewpoint perks me up nearly as much as an Asha or Arya viewpoint. How ADWD killed joy in a nutshell.
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Apr 12, 2012 21:21
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Joramun posted:They have more of a big brother/little sister relationship, rather than a romantic one.
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Apr 12, 2012 22:50
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If the viewership continues to be quite high for several more seasons, it will get incredibly awkward if the TV show has new material before a book is released. GRRM has probably hosed himself good, because at this point I think he's going to be bouncing ideas off the HBO guys to help him finish the books and then take all the credit of course.
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Apr 12, 2012 23:54
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Koirhor posted:If the viewership continues to be quite high for several more seasons, it will get incredibly awkward if the TV show has new material before a book is released. GRRM has probably hosed himself good, because at this point I think he's going to be bouncing ideas off the HBO guys to help him finish the books and then take all the credit of course. I'd rather they stopped the show after the fourth season, even though I want to see AFFC/ADWD in TV form I'd rather the show didn't finish the story for me. I prefer GRRM's writing 9 times out of 10 compared to the show's writers, even if they have come up with some good scenes (like Cersei and Robert last season).
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Apr 12, 2012 23:57
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Azure_Horizon posted:I prefer GRRM's writing 9 times out of 10 compared to the show's writers, even if they have come up with some good scenes (like Cersei and Robert last season).
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Apr 13, 2012 00:12
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GRRM should just get the show's writers to ghostwrite the books for him. He doesn't have to write about anything other than football and books come out on schedule. Everyone's happy.
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Apr 13, 2012 00:20
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Fog Tripper posted:If someone wrote an alternate reality set of books, picking up where book 3 left off, would folks (besides me) buy them? Would I buy SoIaF fan fic? No. No I would not.
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Apr 13, 2012 00:21
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Joramun posted:Agreed. Anything the show's writers come up with that's not in the books basically has the same status as fanfic to me. Counterpoint : That Robert and Cersei scene is better than AFFC and ADWD combined.
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Apr 13, 2012 00:30
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Azure_Horizon posted:I'd rather they stopped the show after the fourth season, even though I want to see AFFC/ADWD in TV form I'd rather the show didn't finish the story for me. I prefer GRRM's writing 9 times out of 10 compared to the show's writers, even if they have come up with some good scenes (like Cersei and Robert last season). The problem with your plan is that Gurm doesn't write.
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Apr 13, 2012 00:45
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Rurik posted:What's the direction here? That Tyrion shouldn't be liked as a literary character? Should he be disliked then? What about other literary characters then, for instance Raskolnikov? Direction? Here? Oh my sweet summer child... I enjoy Tyrion, but dislike how a lot of people seem to think his character took a sudden nosedive in quality in ADWD, when he's really been a Nice Guy (but with a sardonic sense of humor) the whole goddamned series. It's just that now he doesn't have a cushion to shield himself from his more monstrous aspects (Bronn, his Lannister name and wealth generally, etc). So really I was just ranting about him since I was given the opportunity. IRQ posted:I forget who it was, but someone around here used to argue fervently that they were also loving. Pretty sure that was Viconia, either loving with us or convinced that there was one last depravity GRRM would force us to endure.
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Apr 13, 2012 00:46
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Azure_Horizon posted:I prefer GRRM's writing 9 times out of 10 compared to the show's writers, even if they have come up with some good scenes (like Cersei and Robert last season). This is the craziest thing I've heard in a good long while.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:20
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Sophia posted:This is the craziest thing I've heard in a good long while. Then you must have an incredibly low bar for "crazy", or confuse it with "truth."
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Apr 13, 2012 01:26
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You know I just can't loving say the name GRRM in my head without it coming out as Gurm no matter how hard I try. These threads have broken me to that point. I can't do the old "gee ar ar em" any more because I've been saying Gurm in my head for so long.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:31
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Koirhor posted:If the viewership continues to be quite high for several more seasons, it will get incredibly awkward if the TV show has new material before a book is released. GRRM has probably hosed himself good, because at this point I think he's going to be bouncing ideas off the HBO guys to help him finish the books and then take all the credit of course. Naw, they can split the later books into three seasons if necessary. We're gonna be tuning into this show until the early 2020's. That said, I'm glad GRRM has some sorta ticking clock. I would imagine his contract says "loving finish these books before our backs are up against a wall." TV is all about money, and Gurm can't dodge that.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:34
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whowhatwhere posted:I enjoy Tyrion, but dislike how a lot of people seem to think his character took a sudden nosedive in quality in ADWD, when he's really been a Nice Guy (but with a sardonic sense of humor) the whole goddamned series. It's just that now he doesn't have a cushion to shield himself from his more monstrous aspects (Bronn, his Lannister name and wealth generally, etc). So really I was just ranting about him since I was given the opportunity. The issue is that Tyrion was one of the few characters who consistently were doing something throughout books. He was no Cat or Sansa. I don't think anyone really thought he was "good", there isn't really any "good" here. Now all of a sudden, this character we're so used to being a snarky little man of action is sitting around asking where whores go. It's the projected fear that ALL the characters are getting mired down in inaction. If this happened in a book that seriously moved forward in terms of other folks, Tyrion's newly revealed goonyness would be tolerable. We had this interspersed with Dany being all about ~Daaaaaario~, Cersei sitting in a cell being pissed etc.. The introduction of additional not too thrilling dudes like Connington and Quentyn does nothing to alleviate the frustration of having a formerly busy little dude just sit about drunk and bitch.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:43
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What's wrong with Jon Connington? Both him and Aegon actually accomplished things in ADWD.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:44
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It's more the fact that in one book he's been managed to be introduced, get to Westeros, and start taking territory... ...while Dany shits in the bushes after wasting an entire book farting around a city we never gave a poo poo about in the first place like a black hole for plotlines--and this is in a series where plotlines already meander like loving crazy.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:49
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Joramun posted:Agreed. Anything the show's writers come up with that's not in the books basically has the same status as fanfic to me.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:56
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Sophia posted:This is the craziest thing I've heard in a good long while. AH is a very dedicated troll or a retarded tasteless idiot, we're not really sure which it is.
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Apr 13, 2012 01:57
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Koirhor posted:GRRM has probably hosed himself good, because at this point I think he's going to be bouncing ideas off the HBO guys to help him finish the books and then take all the credit of course. This is exactly what I was thinking, GRRM is hosed no matter what.
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Apr 13, 2012 02:05
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The bad thread is spreading! The spoiler tviv thread has learned of the pear shaped man and worse! Its only a matter of time before the dream of the Wild Cards is complete and the world knows the truth about one absolute fucker named gurm!
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Apr 13, 2012 02:11
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Tell me about the pear-shaped man again 
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Apr 13, 2012 02:16
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IRQ posted:AH is a very dedicated troll or a retarded tasteless idiot, we're not really sure which it is. Might be confusing those words with ones that describe yourself, actually.
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Apr 13, 2012 02:18
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crazypeltast52 posted:The bad thread is spreading! The spoiler tviv thread has learned of the pear shaped man and worse! Its only a matter of time before the dream of the Wild Cards is complete and the world knows the truth about one absolute fucker named gurm! Good. Maybe women will stop letting him creepily put his hand over theirs at book signings then. I can't even see a picture of GRRM without grimacing, I don't know how anyone could let him touch them. He looks uncomfortably moist.
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Apr 13, 2012 02:28
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Rarity posted:You guys should just be thankful I haven't ordered all the Bad Thread posters assassinated yet It begins 
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Apr 13, 2012 02:30
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Moist with a fine sheen that mixes with the oils of his skin and meals into a sort of slime; just barely perceptible to the tough.
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Apr 13, 2012 02:31
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Azure_Horizon posted:Might be confusing those words with ones that describe yourself, actually. Oh snap, I have been owned.
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Apr 13, 2012 02:34
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The Spoiler Thread over in TVIV got a brief exposure to the many-folded splendour of the GRRM, and then delivered in spades:colonel_korn posted:
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Apr 13, 2012 02:39
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whowhatwhere posted:It begins Why the gently caress would you waste your money on assassinating angry, white, neckbeards screaming about how they hate a massive white neckbeard who doesn't actually loving write? (Seriously though, as fun as it is to troll tviv, don't loving spoil poo poo in there if you dumbshits are doing that.)
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GRRM's Meathouse Man posted:He left her as he’d found her, lying face up on the bed with her legs apart. Meathouse courtesy. Just a taste of the rancid pleasures that excerpt has to offer.
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