A Pinball Wizard posted:
Nah, the best troll would be doing the above, but answering all of the questions in as deliberately an unsatisfying manner as possible.
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May 30, 2013 19:54
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Regalingualius posted:Nah, the best troll would be doing the above, but answering all of the questions in as deliberately an unsatisfying manner as possible. Ah, the LOST method of ending a series.
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May 30, 2013 20:02
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Regalingualius posted:Nah, the best troll would be doing the above, but answering all of the questions in as deliberately an unsatisfying manner as possible. If they start answering the big questions that result is basically inevitable, just like Lost and tons of other shows and movies and books with big long-running mysteries. You start throwing explanations around and no one leaves happy. It doesn't matter what those explanations are. They can never possibly live up to years and years of fan theorizing. see you tomorrow fucked around with this message at 20:27 on May 30, 2013 |
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May 30, 2013 20:25
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tooooooo bad posted:If they start answering the big questions that result is basically inevitable, just like Lost and tons of other shows and movies and books with big long-running mysteries. You start throwing explanations around and no one leaves happy. It doesn't matter what those explanations are. They can never possibly live up to years and years of fan theorizing. To be fair, years and years of fan theorizing are often breathtakingly retarded and not worth regarding in the first place. It's a nasty situation - answering no questions vs answering all questions vs answering some questions but what if they're the questions no one wants answered and then the director gives up and goes to voice-act a cat.
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May 30, 2013 20:37
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WitchFetish posted:Once this is done though, I will no poo poo buy a plane ticket to Japan and murder the first rear end in a top hat who tries to make a remake/alternate universe story/anything because seriously.
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May 30, 2013 20:51
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Hasn't virtually all the post television series media been based on that alternate RomCom style world shown for all of 3 mins in the last episode?
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May 30, 2013 20:57
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Yeah, they've had a ton of manga based on Shinji living a semi-normal life with everyone. Angelic Days, Shinji Ikari Raising Project, and a ton of other crap I'm sure I haven't heard of yet. I concede that I actually enjoy what I see of these because, hey, I always like more Rei and Kaworu. Even in the regular school comics, they tend to be the most interesting characters. I think Angelic Days Kaworu was another version that could recall the events of the original series? It's been so long since I've read the stuff. The only other things I really remember are Ritsuko being all "I WANT TO SCREW YOUR DAD." in the first volume, and then Shinji eventually dumping Rei for Asuka. If I get bored, I may have to skim over the stuff again. They've been collecting dust on my bookshelf for years.
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May 30, 2013 23:09
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I finished the series a couple days ago. I really liked it, but I liked the movies more. In the series, the episode that did a whole bunch of background character info; the one with Asuka was pretty hosed up. Did her mother want to kill her, and then commit suicide? That is what I got from that part anyways. One thing the series did better was show how completely broken all of the characters are.
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May 31, 2013 21:04
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Asuka's mom was indeed intent on doing a murder-suicide; in the mainline manga adaptation, she even has a momentary burst of clarity... And attempts to strangle the real Asuka to death. The same volume carried the "Kaworu kills a kitten" scene, too. 
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May 31, 2013 21:14
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Ooh yeah, also the part with what's her names mother trying to kill Rei when she was just a young child, was pretty screwed up as well. Was she murdered by Gendo Ikari before she could finish choking Rei to death? That scene seemed to imply that is what happened, but I feel like I missed something. Sorry I can't remember the names of some of these characters.
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May 31, 2013 21:20
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I said come in! posted:Ooh yeah, also the part with what's her names mother trying to kill Rei when she was just a young child, was pretty screwed up as well. Was she murdered by Gendo Ikari before she could finish choking Rei to death? That scene seemed to imply that is what happened, but I feel like I missed something. Sorry I can't remember the names of some of these characters. Naoko killed Rei I in a fit of rage then committed suicide by jumping off the command tower when she realised what she did.
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May 31, 2013 21:26
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Zahki posted:Naoko killed Rei I in a fit of rage then committed suicide by jumping off the command tower when she realised what she did. Okay that makes sense now, for some reason I thought she was shot. Thinking about the scene now, I don't get how I could have possibly come to that conclusion.
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May 31, 2013 21:28
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I said come in! posted:Okay that makes sense now, for some reason I thought she was shot. Thinking about the scene now, I don't get how I could have possibly come to that conclusion. It was her daughter, Ritsuko, who got shot by Gendo in End.
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May 31, 2013 21:54
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The other interpretation of Naoko's death is that Gendo manipulated Rei into pissing her off so she killed Rei and herself. But that's giving Gendo too much credit, as it were. I think you can see why I asked about Mari and Rei earlier. The one seems more or less pointless and the other's had her characterisation dicked about with to the point where I'm not sure what's going on; in Rebuild 2 she's an unrecognisably different person to the series. I get that 2 uses the original series as shorthand for its characterisation, but I'm still confused. Anyway, glad you enjoyed the series. Don't forget to check out EoE, by the way, it's a must-see that carries the story on, not a retelling.
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May 31, 2013 21:56
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House Louse posted:I think you can see why I asked about Mari and Rei earlier. The one seems more or less pointless and the other's had her characterisation dicked about with to the point where I'm not sure what's going on; in Rebuild 2 she's an unrecognisably different person to the series. I get that 2 uses the original series as shorthand for its characterisation, but I'm still confused.
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May 31, 2013 22:12
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I finished watching 3.0, first impressions, not positive. All the characters are just so awkward and the Wunder feels so out of place. Although Shiji is blatantly going to jack that poo poo and transform it into an Omni Eva-01, the hull is practically a spine, it has feathered wings, and its powered by/is Eva-01, etc Even if I just watched it for the bombastic action scenes I just can't get into them because of how floaty/weightless the Eva's are now. Beast Mode is also super dumb and I hated it's return. Also it's now apparently an Asuka thing instead of a Mari thing, so what was the point in Mari even replacing Asuka to fight Zeruel? But hey, whatever, anything to do with Mari is automatically terrible. I just pretend it's Asuka in 2.0 anyway so I guess 3.0 helped in that regard. Positives: Watching Kaoru finally lose his composure and not understand what's happening for once. Negatives: Mari is still the worst thing to ever happen to this franchise. Every second her/pink Eva are on screen I gag and cringe at the same time. I just don't know, I'll sit on it a few days and watch it again. Your Moms Ahegao fucked around with this message at 00:45 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Jun 1, 2013 00:41
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Monomythian posted:I finished watching 3.0, first impressions, not positive. Mari seems kind of pointless, but I don't know how she's ruining the series. If anything, she seems like a stand in for the typical "eva geek" to me - a representation of every stupid "I WOULD TOTALLY PILOT THE EVA AND TOTALLY ROCK AT IT AND I WOULD SEE THROUGH THE CONSPIRACYS" guy. I think they're just playing it too straight. Beast mode is retarded, though. Berserk Evas are cool because it's the Eva itself manifesting its will; beast mode feels like something out of Transformers. VVV Now that I think about it, basically this. But it's Eva, so it's all about trolling the fans or some poo poo.
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Jun 1, 2013 01:37
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http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Sue Just sayin'
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Jun 1, 2013 01:56
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If only she was Mari Tsukinami. Maybe that would be too transparent though.
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Jun 1, 2013 02:06
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Captain Invictus posted:If only she was Mari Tsukinami. Maybe that would be too transparent though.
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Jun 1, 2013 02:17
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I wish I could back it up or justify it somehow but every time Mari is on screen I have the biggest, dumbest grin on my face. Everything about her is just inexplicably funny to me, which is important because there's not much comic relief in Rebuild apart from that. The only cringeworthy thing is the scene where she sniffs Shinji and even that's so out of the blue and weird that the stupid fetishy side is kind of second fiddle.
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Jun 1, 2013 03:03
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I wish I could back it up or justify it somehow but every time Mari is on screen I have the biggest, dumbest grin on my face. Everything about her is just inexplicably funny to me, which is important because there's not much comic relief in Rebuild apart from that. She has been a nice foil to the other pilots. Piloting isn't ordered on her nor is her ego wrapped up in it in one form or another like the rest.
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Jun 1, 2013 03:38
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Regalingualius posted:Asuka's mom was indeed intent on doing a murder-suicide; in the mainline manga adaptation, she even has a momentary burst of clarity... And attempts to strangle the real Asuka to death. Kaworu is a real freak in the manga. I can of course see his reasoning, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Really puts into perspective what "good" and "bad" are. His actions take into account the worse possible scenarios the creature could go through and he acts solely on that. Terminal Entropy posted:She has been a nice foil to the other pilots. Piloting isn't ordered on her nor is her ego wrapped up in it in one form or another like the rest. I agree with this. Only problem with it is that without any specific weaknesses, she's pretty boring, if not ridiculous. Her whole schtick is being a wacky Japanese girl that sings and meows while she attacks. It takes a lot of the tension out of scenes, for better or worse. I think the only important things she's done... well, she beat the Flying Snake Angel, and she talked Shinji back into his senses at the end of 2.0. Her presence in 3.0 is pretty much solely to act as Asuka's counterpart in their strange Good Cop/Bad Cop reutine. It's alright, but it doesn't really add anything of substance to the mix, so that's why a lot of people have issues with her. The Grimace fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Jun 1, 2013 |
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Jun 1, 2013 03:55
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The Grimace posted:Kaworu is a real dick in the manga. I can of course see his reasoning, but that doesn't mean I agree with it. Really puts into perspective what "good" and "bad" are. Hell, that (in my mind) isn't the worst of it. During the scene with him in the hand of Unit-01 in the original series, he seems honestly apologetic that Shinji has to be the one to kill him; in the manga, he wants Shinji to kill him to serve as a final 'screw you' to SEELE, and has very little/no empathy towards the obvious trauma it'd be causing Shinji.
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Jun 1, 2013 04:08
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I just finished rewatching 2.22, and something i didn't notice before. Why does the dummy plug violently scream and shake when it is rejected by EVA 01? 
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Jun 1, 2013 04:47
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The dummy plugs are clones of Rei. The rejection makes her/it feel pain somehow, probably. I should note that this is the clearly established origin of the dummy system in the television series (the dummy plugs in the MPEs are Kaworu-based) but I'm just assuming it's the same in Rebuild since there's nothing to call it into question.
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Jun 1, 2013 04:59
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I wish I could back it up or justify it somehow but every time Mari is on screen I have the biggest, dumbest grin on my face. Everything about her is just inexplicably funny to me, which is important because there's not much comic relief in Rebuild apart from that.  
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Jun 1, 2013 21:16
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I wish I could back it up or justify it somehow but every time Mari is on screen I have the biggest, dumbest grin on my face. Everything about her is just inexplicably funny to me, which is important because there's not much comic relief in Rebuild apart from that. I really like her for the same reasons.
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Jun 1, 2013 21:17
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I like Mari.
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Jun 1, 2013 23:02
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Mari could just continue being a fun smug carefree jerk who happens to pilot an EVA and I'd be fine with it. She's not much of a character anyway so I have no complaints in that regard.
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Jun 1, 2013 23:15
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Mari is just completely inexplicable. I hope they have something planned for her besides Maaya Sakamoto collecting a paycheck but at this point I have no idea what it could be considering they've got one movie left and she's apparently just been hanging out with Asuka and the crew without anyone finding her weird.
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Jun 1, 2013 23:35
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ImpAtom posted:she's apparently just been hanging out with Asuka and the crew without anyone finding her weird. Yeah but look at how everyone else acts in the Eva universe. She is pretty normal in the grand scheme of things. :P
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Jun 1, 2013 23:41
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ImpAtom posted:Mari is just completely inexplicable. I hope they have something planned for her besides Maaya Sakamoto collecting a paycheck but at this point I have no idea what it could be considering they've got one movie left and she's apparently just been hanging out with Asuka and the crew without anyone finding her weird. There was that picture of Yui with someone who looked like Mari in the frame that might be hinting at something. Precisely what, I have little idea, but it could be setup for something.
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Jun 1, 2013 23:43
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Joining the Mari crew. The best EVA pilots are the ones that chill out and have a juice box in the plug.
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Jun 2, 2013 00:35
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I said come in! posted:Yeah but look at how everyone else acts in the Eva universe. She is pretty normal in the grand scheme of things. :P I mean more that nobody is like "who the gently caress are you?" They've all apparently known her for longer than anyone knew Shinji without any issues so if she's secretly going to eat people's faces or turn out to be a clone of Shinji's future child or whatever she's hiding it well.
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Jun 2, 2013 00:37
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Gaseous Snake posted:Joining the Mari crew. The best EVA pilots are the ones that chill out and have a juice box in the plug. 
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Jun 2, 2013 01:32
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Holy poo poo, this is the best thing. I'm totally going to have to make an icon.
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Jun 2, 2013 03:32
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Wow, I never realized that she looked like a female Shinji.
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Jun 2, 2013 03:45
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KNITS MY FEEDS posted:Wow, I never realized that she looked like a female Shinji. Haha, yeah, I thought so, too. I was going to say, maybe she really is a clone... Of Shinji. 
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Mari is just a non character nerdbait. I don't really like or dislike her.
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