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Jeremy Irons pulling that voice was the second worst part about The Colour of Magic. The first was that Rincewind was in his 70s.
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Rincewind's not supposed to be a young man.
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Jun 24, 2013 12:41
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Pope Guilty posted:Rincewind's not supposed to be a young man. He's written like one though, which is a problem. I don't think it's a coincidence that after Rincewind's story ended, the position of 'outsider Wizard' gets filled by Ponder Stibbons.
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Jun 24, 2013 12:51
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Mister Roboto posted:He's right...the TV adaptations are of a low quality they have no right to be. British humor is world renown yet the specials constantly missed the mark in dialogue, acting, and timing. They're...boring and not funny. I think it's just not writing that translates very well to filmed drama.
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Jun 24, 2013 13:08
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Pope Guilty posted:Rincewind's not supposed to be a young man. Rincewind is supposed to be 33 in The Colour of Magic.
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Jun 24, 2013 13:45
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Jedit posted:Rincewind is supposed to be 33 in The Colour of Magic. Really? I thought he was supposed to be like in his 50's or so.
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Jun 24, 2013 13:48
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Pope Guilty posted:Really? I thought he was supposed to be like in his 50's or so. When Rincewind and Twoflower are on the aeroplane as Dr Rjinswand and Jack Zweiblumen, his age is given as 33.
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Jun 24, 2013 13:51
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None of the TV adaptations have managed to make Death look right. A walking skeleton sounds scary on paper but on TV it always just ends up looking like some oversized Ray Harryhausen silliness. The Colour Of Magic in particular had a Death that looked like a cheap plastic Halloween prop from the dollar store. I think the one I enjoyed most overall was Hogfather. Susan was pitch-perfect. Pope Guilty posted:Really? I thought he was supposed to be like in his 50's or so.
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Jun 24, 2013 15:05
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Yeah the illustrations are definitely a contributing factor. I always pictured him as looking like a burnout college student though which is kind of what he is really.
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Jun 24, 2013 15:08
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Josh Kirby had a lovely style, but he was notorious for drawing things wildly different to how they were described in the book.
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Jun 24, 2013 15:11
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Yeah, I also thought Rincewind was supposed to be old until one of the mid-later books makes some offhanded mention that he's quite young (he is, after all, just a student at UU, not a full-fledged wizzard). Also Mr. Teatime and Susan make Hogfather worth watching all by themselves. 
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Jun 24, 2013 15:43
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Entropic posted:Josh Kirby had a lovely style, but he was notorious for drawing things wildly different to how they were described in the book. Like giving four eyes to Twoflower.
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Jun 24, 2013 15:45
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precision posted:Yeah, I also thought Rincewind was supposed to be old until one of the mid-later books makes some offhanded mention that he's quite young (he is, after all, just a student at UU, not a full-fledged wizzard). He's a student because he's been around forever because he can't pass the exams because he just has the one big spell in his head and no room for any others.
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Jun 24, 2013 15:53
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Tunicate posted:Like giving four eyes to Twoflower. I bet Terry Pratchett raised his eyebrows when he first saw that. Both at once! The old covers are neat, but I really like the new ones a lot better. Except the boring ones with instead official art a couple of related objects in a dark room bleh. At least the old covers had life.
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Jun 24, 2013 16:15
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I only collect the old ones with the weird covers, they're ridiculous and they make my bookshelf more interesting to look at.
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Jun 24, 2013 16:31
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SeanBeansShako posted:At least the old covers had life. A horrible dark form of life.
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Jun 24, 2013 17:13
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Alhazred posted:A horrible dark form of life. I quite liked how he drew the Luggage, and some of them were quite neat: 
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Jun 24, 2013 17:42
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Pope Guilty posted:Rincewind's not supposed to be a young man. He's not OLD, though. He's frequently described as built like an incredibly skinny runner, which fits since he's running incredibly all the time. Whoever they got for Color of Magic is more like Ridcully. As others have said, he was 33 or so in Color of Magic. If about 20-30 years have passed since that time, that would put Rincewind in his 50s/early 60s at latest by the current books. The Last Hero pretty much nails his look of a scrawny 45 year old.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:28
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Mister Roboto posted:He's not OLD, though. He's frequently described as built like an incredibly skinny runner, which fits since he's running incredibly all the time. Whoever they got for Color of Magic is more like Ridcully. I judge the time passing in the books by checking the current age of Young Sam and then totting a few years on top of that. So I think saying 20 years has passed is scratching the ceiling of how far things have come, and 30 just seems way, way too far. And yeah, while I have a soft spot for the TV adaptations as regards the characters looks (excluding David Jason as Rincewind) and general production value, you only have to listen to the radio plays to find out how little of the charm and comedy made it through. The radio plays are really, really good. Go give Guards! Guards!, Small Gods or Night Watch a listen. You'll boggle. Compare that to, say, the tv adaptation Colour of Magic, where assumedly there was a big fight in the sound editing room whenever they were trying to decide whether or not to bleep the "All Gods are bastards!" line. Result: They delayed the swear by a half-second, bleeped, and then aired it anyway.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:37
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I half blame SKY and half blame David Jason for that terrible adaption. Weird really, aside from a few things I thought Hogfather was at least a good start.
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Jun 24, 2013 23:43
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I really don't want CSI: Ankh-Morpork to suck. 
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Jun 24, 2013 23:45
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precision posted:(he is, after all, just a student at UU, not a full-fledged wizzard). Not since Interesting Times he isn't. That's how they got him to go to the counterweight continent, by bribing him with a degree. He's the Egregious Professor Of Cruel And Unusual Geography. Plus about a dozen other job titles. Stroth fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 01:22
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I like that in the Science of Discworld books he's basically gone from a cold office, to working in his underwear, to working in the corridor, to working a few corridors away from his office just from the amount of coal he has to burn to be able to keep a hold of it in the winter. And that Ponder Stibbons has the exact same problems, somewhere in the university.
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Jun 25, 2013 02:01
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I've always pictured Rincewind as The Dude. And if you see anyone else you're doing it wrong.
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Jun 25, 2013 10:29
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Nilbop posted:I judge the time passing in the books by checking the current age of Young Sam and then totting a few years on top of that. So I think saying 20 years has passed is scratching the ceiling of how far things have come, and 30 just seems way, way too far. Well, when Vimes first appeared, it was a few years after CoM. Let's say 5. That gives it time to rebuild after Rincewind's CoM fire and the Wizard wars in Sourcery. A good rule of thumb about the Watch books is that they take place about 2 years apart. Some shorter, some way longer. So there's been about 8 watch books...that'd be about 16 years. Night Watch (Sam's birth) to Snuff would be about 6 years. That sounds accurate for Sam's age. So about 16 years since Guards! Guards! That plus the amount of time from CoM to GG is probably about 5-6 years at least. The first novels have very little connections other than Rincewind running around the world and have time to get forgotten periodically. 22-24 years from the start til now seems reasonable. Any other inconsistencies are the Time Monks cutting and pasting. Here's what the heroes looked like in Last Hero:  It's probably about 6 or so years since it took place around about the time of Night Watch. Probably just before. Mister Roboto fucked around with this message at 10:57 on Jun 25, 2013 |
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Jun 25, 2013 10:45
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Pidmon posted:Jeremy Irons pulling that voice was the second worst part about The Colour of Magic. It's really sad Irons is doing that voice, because looks wise, he's a perfect Vetinari. Had he tried subtly sinister, he had been magnificent. What I really like about the movie adaptions, is the sets. They really nail Ankh Morpork. I hope the Watch series is still a-go, because that could be fantastic.
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Jun 25, 2013 13:14
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Nilbop posted:And yeah, while I have a soft spot for the TV adaptations as regards the characters looks (excluding David Jason as Rincewind) and general production value, you only have to listen to the radio plays to find out how little of the charm and comedy made it through. The radio plays are really, really good. Go give Guards! Guards!, Small Gods or Night Watch a listen. You'll boggle. And all the Stephen Briggs audio books are fantastic.
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Jun 25, 2013 15:27
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LooseChanj posted:I've always pictured Rincewind as The Dude. And if you see anyone else you're doing it wrong. I first saw Life of Brian the week after I finished Sourcery, and then that was it, it was done, Rincewind was Graham Chapman forever.
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Illuyankas posted:I first saw Life of Brian the week after I finished Sourcery, and then that was it, it was done, Rincewind was Graham Chapman forever. I feel he's more of a Michael Palin type myself.
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Jun 26, 2013 03:53
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For me it was when I first saw Mad Max 2 - I thought the gyrocopter pilot was the perfect Rincewind. As a side note god drat was that loving movie rapey as gently caress.
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Jun 26, 2013 04:56
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precision posted:I feel he's more of a Michael Palin type myself. You can pretty much use all the Pythons for Rincewind. It is kind of eerie.
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Jun 26, 2013 14:33
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Who would be the perfect Vimes? Pete Postlewaith has unfortunatly passed on, so we can't use him. Hugh Laurie using House mannerisms? Robert Downey Junior? (actually scratch that). Jerome Flynn with a shave? Iain Glen? EDIT: Sean loving Bean bunnyofdoom fucked around with this message at 15:30 on Jun 26, 2013 |
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Jun 26, 2013 15:19
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Illuyankas posted:I first saw Life of Brian the week after I finished Sourcery, and then that was it, it was done, Rincewind was Graham Chapman forever. precision posted:I feel he's more of a Michael Palin type myself. SeanBeansShako posted:You can pretty much use all the Pythons for Rincewind. It is kind of eerie. Eric Idle has already been Rincewind, he did a bang up job too.
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bunnyofdoom posted:Who would be the perfect Vimes? Ahahaha this would be The Best. Google tells me there is an entire Facebook group petitioning for it to happen.  I thought The Watch was supposed to start later this year? Casting and shooting started earlier this year...
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Jun 26, 2013 16:49
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Matt Frewer looks like my impression of Vimes.  
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Jun 26, 2013 16:54
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precision posted:Ahahaha this would be The Best. Holy crap, I was just spitballing. Good to know everyone feels the same.
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Jun 26, 2013 16:57
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I just finished Snuff, and so am out of City Watch books. What other subseries are good? I've only read stuff from City Watch so far.
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Jun 27, 2013 00:25
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Witches is the other longest subseries. There are like 6 or 7 normal ones and then 4 "young adult" ones that aren't that different from the regular ones really. Small Gods is pretty standalone and definitely worth a read
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Jun 27, 2013 00:31
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Ghetto Wizard posted:I just finished Snuff, and so am out of City Watch books. What other subseries are good? I've only read stuff from City Watch so far. The wizard books are my favourite set after the Watch. Small Gods is also utterly fantastic, probably one of his best books.
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Ghetto Wizard posted:I just finished Snuff, and so am out of City Watch books. What other subseries are good? I've only read stuff from City Watch so far. The Witches are pretty good. Self-contained issues. The Wizards/Rincewind are a different style, they're more "wacky adventure" type stories. I don't like them as much but, of course, they're still good.
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