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Uziel posted:I'm interested in watching the rebuild movies and I was wondering if there were any options to legally watch them without buying a Blu-ray, like Netflix, Hulu, On Demand, etc. 1.11 and 2.22 are available on Amazon, but 3.33 has not been released for the US yet, I think? I'm reading about screenings in the US happening in the next few months, but they're gonna be with the Japanese audio. So I have no idea when English dubs will show up for 3.33. Probably not for a while. EDIT: oops I totally misread your post, sorry.
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I think there is some kind of anime streaming thing similar to Crackle that may have it, but I'm not 100% sure on this (and I think the interface is horrible and you have sort through tons of anime porn before you find actual shows to watch).
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I finally got around to seeing the third Rebuild movie and...I really couldn't get over how unlikable basically everyone in the film is other than Shinji (and Kaworu/Fuyutsuki, I guess). They wake up this scared kid, act like dicks without bothering to inform him of anything or filling him in or helping him with his shock, they just threaten his life and give him dirty looks. It felt so weird for Misato and everyone, even realizing that Shinji unintentionally triggered the near-Third Impact or whatever. You'd think they'd seem him as some poor unwitting pawn/tool in NERV's plans. He's still just a kid who didn't really intend anything to go wrong and shouldn't have been piloting a giant biomechanical apocalyptic thing of death anyway, it seems to me that as a character Misato had never before lost sight of that...it seemed to me that she'd blame Gendo and NERV for everything, not go from a sort of mother surrogate/whatever relationship they have/ to flatout being a huge douche. I would have figured they'd take Shinji off to a side, fill him in on everything, and enroll him as a fellow ally against his evil father and the people who are really at fault (by ally I mean just stressing that he should never pilot an Eva again and telling him why he shouldn't and being at least sort of friendly. It's not like Shinji even wanted to pilot Eva, how freaking easy was your job description? "Convince Shinji Ikari to stop piloting Evangelion"). It seemed bizarre to see them just directly drive Shinji into the situation you have happening at the end of the film. What did you seriously expect to happen? You essentially wake up him from cryosleep, treat him terribly, don't fill him in on anything, and ensure that he'll follow the orders of the next person he meets who doesn't immediately berate him and/or threaten his life. Punkin Spunkin fucked around with this message at 10:02 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Jul 19, 2013 09:58
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I agree with all of that, but I hope it's the point and not just an artifact of Japanese shame culture. The way I see it, a lot of the tension in 3.33 comes from how Shinji desperately needs to atone, but has no viable outlet to do so. It's immensely frustrating, but arguably in a good way since Evangelion banks on its ability to drag the audience into the protagonists' emotional states.
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Having also done a recent rewatch of the series, it's pretty hilarious that all NERV really needed was an in-house therapist or counselor for the staff to talk to. But then, we wouldn't have a story, so there's that. I blame HR.
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swmmrmanshen posted:Having also done a recent rewatch of the series, it's pretty hilarious that all Mental issues kind of seem to be the point of the Evangelion series.
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pentyne posted:Mental issues kind of seem to be the point of the Evangelion series. Don't forget boobs and other fanservice while the show is calling you and Shinji out on objectifying them.
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Jul 22, 2013 01:53
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"Next time on Eva.... And more fan service  "
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swmmrmanshen posted:Having also done a recent rewatch of the series, it's pretty hilarious that all NERV really needed was an in-house therapist or counselor for the staff to talk to. But then, we wouldn't have a story, so there's that. They spent the money on a 300 foot 3D TV, bikes for the office that cost thousands each, plus that battlecruiser for their underground lake cost a lot too. It just sat there, in a lake with no water going in or out. 
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Just saw Pacific Rim, enjoyed it immensely. Thought it was really fascinating to see some of the parallels with Eva - it sure as hell isn't the Western Evangelion some people thought it was going to be at the first trailers, but I'd be really surprised if Del Toro hasn't seen some Evangelion before. There's the obvious parrallels in the basic Kaiju Apocolypse setup and Mako and Commander Striker or whatever his name is evoke Gendo and Rei in some interesting, albeit far less disturbing ways. What I thought was more interesting was how one of the subplots evoked the old Hedgehog's Dillema - Raleigh talking with Mako about how hard it became for him to let anyone in for fear of being hurt. Obviously not as bleak or convoluted as Eva, but some really fascinating parallels. Also, it's really really good and features a giant robot beating a monster over the head with a cargo ship being wielded like a sword, and Cinema Discussio likens it to all action movies in that it is fundamentally fascist propaganda. Go see it.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Just saw Pacific Rim, enjoyed it immensely. Thought it was really fascinating to see some of the parallels with Eva - it sure as hell isn't the Western Evangelion some people thought it was going to be at the first trailers, but I'd be really surprised if Del Toro hasn't seen some Evangelion before. He hasn't.
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Dred Cosmonaut posted:He hasn't. Source?
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The only thing that didn't feel Japanese about it were the characters and the generic Hollywood hero plotline. Everything else felt like it could be directly compared to something in Eva.
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http://observationdeck.io9.com/the-comparison-everyone-wants-to-make-evangelion-vs-p-805474792 posted:I haven't seen Evangelion. I accept you Patlabor, [as an influence] from anime industry, or, Tetsujin-28, I don't have any problem saying 'I love them', 'they're an influence for me'. Regarding Evangelion, I have the DVDs, I haven't opened them, I haven't seen it. Yeah, there is anime influence [in Pacific Rim], but not from that anime in particular
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Huh, fancy that. I figured between the neural link, the pilot with issues opening up to people, and the 'giant robot goes berserk during a routine synch test' Del Toro had at least caught a glimpse of Eva at some point in his life. Interesting.
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Spiritus Nox posted:Huh, fancy that. I figured between the neural link, the pilot with issues opening up to people, and the 'giant robot goes berserk during a routine synch test' Del Toro had at least caught a glimpse of Eva at some point in his life. Interesting. Those things aren't really exactly unique to Evangelion.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Those things aren't really exactly unique to Evangelion. The individual elements aren't, but the Pacific Rip parallels so many of the elements in Eva that its hard not to compare it directly to Eva rather than something else.
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Del Toro hasn't seen Eva, but Travis Beacham - the writer - has.
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Eva also didn't invent any of those events. edit: oughta refresh threads more often!
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Funny you should mention that...Travis Beacham posted:I did love Evangelion very much, but I actually wrote most of Pacific Rim before I saw it.
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ViggyNash posted:The only thing that didn't feel Japanese about it were the characters and the generic Hollywood hero plotline. Everything else felt like it could be directly compared to something in Eva. Considering the reviews and the CD sub-forum, I would disagree anyone saw them as not Japanese. I've seen and heard more use of the word "shounen" from actual reviewers in audio podcasts than I've seen in professional websites for the last few years combined.
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ViggyNash posted:The individual elements aren't, but the Pacific Rip parallels so many of the elements in Eva that its hard not to compare it directly to Eva rather than something else. Yeah, but I am pretty sure that, like the dancing sleeping bag guy said, these things weren't invented by Evangelion. They also have shown up in other various anime shows. I cannot tell you which ones, because honestly I've got a pretty narrow anime/manga world experience. But I've heard from other people whom I know to have more knowledge on these sorts of things that there are indeed other anime shows with those elements all at once.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Yeah, but I am pretty sure that, like the dancing sleeping bag guy said, these things weren't invented by Evangelion. They also have shown up in other various anime shows. I cannot tell you which ones, because honestly I've got a pretty narrow anime/manga world experience. But I've heard from other people whom I know to have more knowledge on these sorts of things that there are indeed other anime shows with those elements all at once. I'd be interested in knowing what other shows feature something along the lines of the Neural-link stuff. Admittedly I haven't watched as many shows as some people, and certainly not as many 'Super Robot' types of shows but the pilot actually melding with the machine was one of the things that made Eva a bit different from something like Mazinger or Gigantor or Gundam, at least to me.
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I don't know about anime but what comes to mind is Cordwainer Smith's "The Lady Who Sailed The Soul" and Anne McCaffrey's The Ship Who Sang. Most of PR's specific resemblances to Eva are either incredibly common or handled very differently. The most interesting parallel, I think, is the way they self-consciously refer to so many other monster/giant robot series. Which incidentally explains why they do have minor coincidences, though I daresay there's a bit of direct influence too.
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I don't think the "neural link" thing might be all that common, where you've got your brain synchronized with the robot or whatever, but robots with subdued wills of their own, or robots that react to the emotions of the pilot are pretty common in anime. Like, The Big O for instanc, or Ideon. Maybe even Gundam?
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So in the Japanese dub of Pacific rim, Rei Ayanami's VA is voicing the one Japanese girl, Mako. Somehow I find this really amusing.
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ViggyNash posted:So in the Japanese dub of Pacific rim, Rei Ayanami's VA is voicing the one Japanese girl, Mako. Somehow I find this really amusing. Well they are bringing in some of Japan's biggest VAs for this.
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If Pentacost isn't voiced by Gendo's VA I will be disappointed.
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Zeruel posted:If Pentacost isn't voiced by Gendo's VA I will be disappointed. Commence disappointment E: Holy crap, the guy who does the voice for Sakata Gintoki is the VA for Raleigh in the dub.  Here's the full cast list Synthwave Crusader fucked around with this message at 01:47 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Jul 23, 2013 01:42
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Zeruel posted:If Pentacost isn't voiced by Gendo's VA I will be disappointed. He is voiced by Dozel loving Zabi who is an even better choice.
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She could, but she wouldn't draw in those sweet sweet otaku dollars like Rei.
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SHISHKABOB posted:I don't think the "neural link" thing might be all that common, where you've got your brain synchronized with the robot or whatever, but robots with subdued wills of their own, or robots that react to the emotions of the pilot are pretty common in anime. Like, The Big O for instanc, or Ideon. Maybe even Gundam? Strangely, in the Robotech novelizations (I can't remember if it was in the show itself or not) both the Earth and Zentraedi pilots used neural-link "thinking caps" to control their mecha. None of that is in the actual SDF Macross story*, so I'm not sure where it came from exactly, but the idea has been kicking around scifi for a long time. e: *well, up until Macross Plus that is. sbagliom posted:Rinko Kikuchi can't do her own voice? She could be busy, just might not want to, or they're counting on well known VAs to help market it, who knows.  Actual Evangelion question:I have the Perfect Collection and I was curious how that one compares to others like the Platinum Collection. Is there any point in tracking the Platinum version down if I already have the other? Its the picture quality way, way better (or worse)? Does it have the director's cut versions on it? It occurs to me that I've never seen those, only read summaries of the changes. a kitten fucked around with this message at 04:01 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Jul 23, 2013 03:48
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The platinum version has director's cuts of the last four episodes before the last two; i.e. episodes 21, 22, 23 and 24. I have no idea if it looks better or not, but it doesn't look bad (to me at least, I watched the show first on youtube so it all looks better ).
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a kitten posted:
The perfect collection is just the first-run english release DVDs packaged as a set, whereas the Platinum collection has remastered audio, cleaned up video, and contains the Directors Cut episodes. Incidentally, for purely nostalgia reasons I've been wanting to get copies of the ADV trailers that are on all the Perfect Collection DVDs, as my first exposure to Eva was through my brother's copy of the Perfect Collection and, as a video guy, I kind of want to check out how those old-rear end trailers look with my current, more skilled and anime-sodden eyes.
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a kitten posted:
    I made those almost a decade ago  It's probably not exactly fair to compare most of them to the first pressing of the first volume (the 1999 ones) as that may very well be the worst video quality I've ever seen in an anime DVD.
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IIRC, for the Renewal/Platinum collections Gainax went back to the 35mm camera elements and did high-definition, frame-by-frame scans for each episode, improved the color timing and contrast, and got rid of many of the very visible tape splices and jitter that occurred during cuts. Any pre-2003 version of "Evangelion" was several generations away from any film element and probably sourced from standard-defintion Beta. I think a very big improvement the 'Platinum' set made for English-speaking viewers is getting rid of the English overlays, which you can see on the left in this shot: Prior to the Platinum set, any shot that had a lot of Japanese text on it would have a very obvious and ugly video overlay translating the text into English. In motion, the text overlays were downright jarring, but on the Platinum DVDs, the text translation is handled via subtitles. tl;dr: The Platinum DVDs are worlds better than the originals.
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Looks like I have the 2002 version, so at least it's not The Worst. Seriously, those 1999 ones look pretty drat bad and I'm not really that picky about video quality. I guess I'll throw the newer version into the ol' Things I'll Probably Buy One of These Days pile.mr. stefan posted:Incidentally, for purely nostalgia reasons I've been wanting to get copies of the ADV trailers that are on all the Perfect Collection DVDs, as my first exposure to Eva was through my brother's copy of the Perfect Collection and, as a video guy, I kind of want to check out how those old-rear end trailers look with my current, more skilled and anime-sodden eyes. I was going to see if I could figure out how to do this when I realised someone probably already had, so: Bubblegum Crisis Getter Robo Armageddon Dai Guard Spriggan Soul Hunter Arc the Lad Everything is so pointy! 
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While on the subject, the R1 Platinum release (it was called Renewal in Japan I think) was altered after the fact to be interlaced compared to its progressive R2 counterpart. The result is a somewhat drop in quality when comparing the two. It's not the most extreme example but stuff like that really drives me mad when they could have just directly ripped the R2 DVDs.
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a kitten posted:I was going to see if I could figure out how to do this when I realised someone probably already had, so: Oh man, these are hilarious. There are definitely a lot more on the perfect collection, though, as I specifically remember a gasaraki trailer as well as this Nadia trailer. Still a great trip down memory lane, though. quote:Soul Hunter This is the most Anime as gently caress thing I've ever seen. 
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