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Cherokee Jack posted:When in doubt, ask goons for advice! If it were me, I'd get a 65" of this baby: Samsung PN65F8500. With a peak brightness of over 200cd/M2, it can handle windows facing it and sports with high amounts of white (hockey, curling). And burn-in hasn't been an issue these last three years or so. They can handle multiple hours of borders/static images with no ill effects. The image retention from such viewing (if my TV is any indication), will only be visible on white screens and generally won't last longer than a few minutes. - Beginner's guide to picture calibration at Televisioninfo.com. Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jul 19, 2013 |
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Mister Macys posted:If it were me, I'd get a 65" of this baby: Samsung PN65F8500. I think that TV might be out of my reach by a few hundred dollars. Looks really nice, though.  On the other hand the dealer where I bought my Monitor Audio speakers and other stereo equipment might give a bit of a deal so I could try that.
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Cherokee Jack posted:I think that TV might be out of my reach by a few hundred dollars. Looks really nice, though. Sorry, I didn't check the price at all. v  v
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I hate to do this because I'm sure tons of people come in here asking, but I'm in need of a TV: -< $500 budget -SmartTV preferred (HBO Go, Netflix, Wifi 802.11n (or even 802.11ac)) -40" or so I would just go off Wirecutter's recommendations but they haven't updated their article in a couple months.
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:I hate to do this because I'm sure tons of people come in here asking, but I'm in need of a TV: http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M401i-A3-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00CI3BP06/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374369502&sr=8-1&keywords=m401i-a3 You won't get HBO Go on any TV other than Samsung. That will be about the best TV you will get for $500. If you have a Costco near you i'd get it there as you will get a 1+1 year warranty when you buy it there.
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Mister Macys posted:Sorry, I didn't check the price at all. v That's okay, I forgot to include a stand for a TV in my budget. Stupid plasma question, and it's probably paranoia, but does burn-in/image retention not become a thing after a) a couple hundred hours and/or b) keeping contrast low? I probably wouldn't be acting this stupid if I wasn't spending $2000+ on a TV.
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Cherokee Jack posted:That's okay, I forgot to include a stand for a TV in my budget. No, it's a fair question. If I were spending double what I did, I'd want to be as absolutely sure as possible what to expect. As far as I understand it, image retention isn't affected by "break-in" (I don't believe in it without scientific proof; these things look great out of the box) when it comes to onset time or fading; only the length of time a static image has been left on the screen. Related anecdote from CNET on the 2012 TVs- including mine  : Cnet's accidental plasma burn-in test.
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ooms posted:http://www.amazon.com/VIZIO-M401i-A3-40-Inch-1080p-120Hz/dp/B00CI3BP06/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1374369502&sr=8-1&keywords=m401i-a3 If I removed the SmartTV requirement, does that change anything? Why a LED over a Plasma (tons of AV nerds are adamant that Plasma has superior video quality and is cheaper).
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Bag of Sun Chips posted:If I removed the SmartTV requirement, does that change anything? Why a LED over a Plasma (tons of AV nerds are adamant that Plasma has superior video quality and is cheaper). If you want a plasma at $500, you'll pretty much have to remove the Smart requirement and be limited to "720p" (1366x768, (maybe- manufacturer's own websites are very evasive on this issue except for ->) or even 1024x768    Wait. They're still loving making them in this resolution? What. The. FUUUCK. If you want the best out of True HD™ content, I'd go with native 1080p LCD panels over downscaled "720p" images any day.
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Mister Macys posted:If you want a plasma at $500, you'll pretty much have to remove the Smart requirement and be limited to "720p" (1366x768, (maybe- manufacturer's own websites are very evasive on this issue except for ->) or even 1024x768 Adding to this. Yes you could get a slightly better picture out of a plasma with a budget like you have. But you would have to be in a light controlled room. $529 http://reviews.cnet.com/flat-panel-tvs/samsung-pn51e450/4505-6482_7-35169613.html The bad: The image washes out quite a bit in normal room lighting. The picture processing suffers from poor compatibility with 24p and 1080i material, and this could be symptomatic of the TV's low 720p resolution. Color accuracy is fairly poor. So you end up with -51 inch -no smart -bad normal light viewing Cnet hasn't reviewed the sub 50 inch Vizio TVs, but everyone on AVSforum loves them. Cherokee Jack posted:That's okay, I forgot to include a stand for a TV in my budget. The plasma burn-in/IR after break in isn't true, breaking in plasma is to age the panel evenly and quicker. I had that same paranoia, but I got the 64F8500 and my girl loves to leave it on at night (on nick at night) and I haven't had a single problem with any IR even after 7 hours of that orange logo being there. So it seems Samsung kept up what they had going on last year with their +60 inch plasma. If anyone is trying to get that Plasma send me a PM i'll scan my receipt from best buy. Maybe they'll price match. I paid $2497 and was told when price matching they don't honor the free sound bar from Samsung, so I emailed best buy and got a code for $200. So all in all I got that TV for $2297.
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Posted a few pages ago but didn't get a reply. Short version: Getting a new flatscreen TV soon. We do a lot of heavy game-playing, and I tend to play games where input lag can be a big factor (fighting games, rhythm games). I measured the wall space available and something between 45-50" would be a great size. I'm trying to do my research to find the best mix of size, lag time, and price. Found these on Amazon (both 46"): http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00BCGRXJC http://www.amazon.com/dp/B0074FGP4Y I think I'm on the right path here. Can anyone make some more recommendations?
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I am mulling over a LG 55LA6900 or a 55LA7400. Anyone own one of these?
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Mister Macys posted:No, it's a fair question. If I were spending double what I did, I'd want to be as absolutely sure as possible what to expect. ooms posted:The plasma burn-in/IR after break in isn't true, breaking in plasma is to age the panel evenly and quicker. Thanks guys. A lot of help and a lot more reasonable than OMG YOU HAVE TO RUN SLIDES FOR 200 HOURS OR ELSE. Especially since I found out recently that the "running slides" thing is for when you're paying someone $300 to calibrate it. I do want to get some calibration blu-rays but I probably won't ever get it calibrated professionally because I'm rural. Plus, you know, 300 bucks. And stupid question #2: I've got a Pioneer Elite VSX-52 and it can do its own gamma and what not for video feeds. Never used any of the features with my RPTV because basically it didn't play nice with it (you had to turn every video setting off or it looked like rear end). Should I do the same with a plasma, that is let the TV do its thing? Or are there benefits from having an A/V receiver doing something?
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I also posted a few pages ago, am still searching, and am in a similar boat as DizzyBum. I'll mainly be playing games, streaming movies, and watching videos from my PC. I'd like the display to be 120Hz and to have local dimming, and while I don't care much about 3D, I figure I should get it since I won't be replacing the TV any time soon (passive preferred). The fiancee really wants 46-47" but will do 50" if necessary. Given all that, there seem to be very few reasonable options. The two main ones I've found are: Samsung UN46F6400: Seems like a decent choice, though with active 3D unfortunately. Reviews are hard to find. LG 47LA6900: Also seems decent and has passive 3D, but this review says it has bad motion blur in game mode. Don't know if that site is trustworthy but there aren't other reviews to compare. If we have to do 50", I'm wondering if the Panasonic S64 plasma is the best option. The display is worse than the ST60, but that one's off the table due to the input lag. It will probably look better than the two LEDs above at night, but our living room is mostly windows and gets very bright and very hot during the day, so maybe a plasma isn't worth it if we can't get the absolute best. I don't know, I wish CNet wasn't so slow to review this year's models so I could have a better basis of comparison.
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Cherokee Jack posted:Thanks guys. A lot of help and a lot more reasonable than OMG YOU HAVE TO RUN SLIDES FOR 200 HOURS OR ELSE. Especially since I found out recently that the "running slides" thing is for when you're paying someone $300 to calibrate it. There will always be a debate on slides vs varying content on full screen with no black bars for the first 100-200 hours. If you wanted to get it professionally calibrated your location isn't really a factor. All of the best calibrators will come to you. It's like $400-$450. I've been happy with the Disney WOW disks   I'm only at like 80 hours. About the receiver I don't have a clue, I would like to know also since I could tweak some of the settings on my SR7008.
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Yeah, I suppose I should look into calibration -- I've been loving around with settings trying to get good black & white levels, but haven't quite been able to get both at the same time. And running the calibration wizard turns the whole thing sepia.  I'm kind of bummed out that the only minijack audio output seems to assume it'll only be used with non-HDMI connections. I have a set of old PC speakers that would likely be better than than the ratty TV audio but the TV stubbornly refuses to output to it. One of these cases where having a "smart" TV assumes everything will communicate through HDMI CEC and thus hides a bunch of useful options.
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Mister Macys posted:
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^ ^ ^ Err, that's not OLED, that's LED. There are no 4K OLED displays at this time. Got fifteen grand?  Hitting Best Buys in all major shipping cities in the next few weeks. quote:http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/22/lgs-curved-oled-tv/ Mister Facetious fucked around with this message at 20:27 on Jul 23, 2013 |
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Well, figure it couldn't hurt to ask, as at worst I'll either get no advice or laughed at for not knowing poo poo. I currently have a this 40" for my bedroom and just moved into a new apartment where I... have a living room now, so I'd really like something to put out there so I can actually use the room. I'd like it to be a bit bigger; 45"+ definitely, maybe over 50". I don't know if this needs to be said, but the whole "Smart TV" thing seems really dumb to me. I use an HTPC for watching anything. I don't have cable or want built in on demand. So I have an HTPC, 360, (both HDMI) and also a Dreamcast (uses VGA) and N64 (S-Video), Wii (Component). However I also have a Hauppauge (HDMI) which is used for recording any of those and will upscale/output them to HDMI so inputs aren't as big a deal. (Technically I don't have this for VGA yet--but there are relatively cheap options so if my TV doesn't VGA, it's not the worst thing in the world). At most I need 2 HDMI ports and nothing else, TECHNICALLY. I'd just have to do a bit of cord juggling. But the more the better, and having VGA or S-Video is always a convenience plus. On the budget end... well, that's where I need the advice I get. I am looking super cheap. $700 is about my max, but I'd love something under $500. I feel like when I go onto sites like Best Buy or even Newegg, that I'm not sure what I should be looking for in terms of "quality" since 90% of everything seems like dumb marketing bullshit. So any pointers on that poo poo if you can't just tell me "buy this" are also appreciated. Thanks goons.
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I need someone with more wisdom and knowledge than me to tutor me. So, I'd like to jump on the HDTV bandwagon: I don't watch TV, I'd like to watch serials or anime on it while working out or on the stationary bike, and I'd like to use it as a monitor. Probably it's a bad idea, so I'll compromise for pc gaming and no general surfing usage (I guess I'd bleed my eyes out anyway). No consoles. Also, it isn't rare for me or my sister to play for longer than 3-4 hours, which makes me wary about plasmas (but to be honest, I really don't know if IR is a real problem nowadays). That being said, I'm going to watch the TV at about 3.5 meters / 11 feet, so I was looking for 47''+ TVs. Well, what should I be looking for? I wouldn't want to go past 1000€. Sadly: - the Sony W6 series, which is pretty good for gaming, doesn't go past 42'' - any Sony W9 costs too much - the Panasonic ST60 series has too much IL - I can't find around here the Samsung E6500 nor the LED F5000 series what else... I dunno. So, stop me from doing a stupid purchase (I' was even considering a projector!). What should I be looking for? I read the old ST50 was pretty much what I wanted, too bad I can't find any around here. Char fucked around with this message at 13:17 on Jul 24, 2013 |
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Have you considered getting a tablet and a bracket to mount it on your bike?
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Actually, I... err... no, I didn't, and it's a good idea, I even have a tablet. But it doesn't seem as practical, a HDTV would cover more bases.
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A TV is more of a communal device and a tablet is a personal device. I only suggested it because it didn't sound like you were using a TV for typical TV things. Be careful using a TV as a computer monitor as it might have 4:2:0 chroma subsampling instead of 4:4:4 which may or may not make certain things (text especially) look blurred. This might not be an issue with current models. Here's a bunch of nerd poo poo about it. If you're just using it for games/video it won't matter. I can't tell you anything useful about different TVs, so really I've been no help to you at all!
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Yeah I know I want a big monitor rather than a TV, that's why I'll have to compromise and avoid reading wikipedia entries on it. Playing games and watching stuff is more canonical and I'll stick to that. Still, it sucks that after my first analysis of the market, there's no clear winners - no, even worse, my winner is from 2012, no shop stocks it anymore. I can'even find a Panasonic ST50 on eBay! I'm this close to buying a projector and call it a day. If only it didn't have a 200€ fee every year... Char fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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You're budget is in euros... do countries other than G.B. have TV licensing fees? Just curious.The T posted:Well, figure it couldn't hurt to ask, as at worst I'll either get no advice or laughed at for not knowing poo poo. I'll never laugh at you.  Television displays are an ever-evolving technology platform that updates every year, with at least a dozen major players in the industry; and a dozen more, either building or licensing the tech. One can't be expected to keep up with all of them. Hell, even the top 5 are a pain in the rear end.If Samsung was any indication, 2011 was the last year companies had VGA ports on their displays ("D" series). S-Video I'm not so sure about; it was rare to begin with. Since it can't actually provide an HD signal, I believe everyone dropped them at least two or three years back. They also eliminated extra RCA composite slots, and reduced it to one or two combined composite/component inputs. As for Smart function, they were added into all mid-range sets last year. This year, displays without Smart will be the exception. The interface isn't mandatory however. From what I've seen, the manufacturers all have a separate button for the Smart UI. I'm headed to bed, but offhand I can recommend last year's Samsung 60Hz 46EH5300 (a friend bought the 50"). That looked pretty good. Panasonic S60 is under $700, and it's plasma. Don't know about the input lag though. Try the Cnet review. G'night.
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Saw this 84" LG Ultra HD thing in a store a few months ago. Pretty amazing. It was the equivalent of around $21k. :o
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Mister Macys posted:You're budget is in euros... do countries other than G.B. have TV licensing fees? Just curious. Almost every European country has some kind of TV tax. In Italy we have to pay 130 euros for each household with a TV-equivalent device (monitors, too). The "projector fee" I was talking about was the lamp. If I chose to buy one, I wouldn't use it for general pc usage. Compromises everywhere! Char fucked around with this message at 14:02 on Jul 25, 2013 |
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Char posted:Almost every European country has some kind of TV tax.
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Uranium 235 posted:What the gently caress? Is that 130 Euros annually? What's the justification for such a tax? European countries have a lot more public broadcasting, for one.
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Uranium 235 posted:What the gently caress? Is that 130 Euros annually? What's the justification for such a tax? Our public network has 15 channels, of which 5 are HD. That's a lot of wages.
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Uranium 235 posted:What the gently caress? Is that 130 Euros annually? What's the justification for such a tax? Read more here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_license Fortunately the public channels are my favorites, are 100% commercial free (very important to me), and some of the only stuff I watch. They're almost mostly in HD and do a god job at sending varied material.
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Pilsner posted:Saw this 84" LG Ultra HD thing in a store a few months ago. Pretty amazing. It was the equivalent of around $21k. :o Those are sexy. But I saw today that TCL will be selling a 50" for $999 come christmas. Not quite LG and not quite 84" but 4k is coming down . . .
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Mister Macys posted:From what I've seen, the manufacturers all have a separate button for the Smart UI. Not LG. At least not on my model... Or any recent one that uses the "magic remote". Pretty much everything goes through WiiU style point and click now, though it still has regular IR so any compatible remote will probably work. You can actually turn off the pointer most of the time by just pressing the arrow keys and navigating the old way. However, the remote doesn't have any play/pause/stop/etc. buttons so any Netflix or other streaming apps will kind of suck without a pointer.
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Today and tomorrow Best Buy has a 60" Sony HDTV at a huge discount. I saw in the OP that Sony was listed as one of the top brands but that they tend to be overpriced. Is there ANY reason I (or anyone else in the market) shouldn't buy this? $1k is right in the price range I was looking at already. Thanks in advance for any response.
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It doesn't have a smartphone remote app, but when you're getting 60 inches for only a grand, who cares? 
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If it's in my budget, is there any reason not to buy the Samsung UN60F8000? I really like the design, and I'm comfortable with the price - I just worry that for the money I'm missing out on something better. Cnet review Amazon
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So what are the options available to me for screen calibration? I saw the Disney World of Wonder disc mentioned, and it seems to have glowing reviews all around... Is this my best bet for calibrating my LG LED screen on my own? So far the best thing I've done to get better black & white levels was to set local LED dimming... But anything that takes the guesswork out of this crap would be welcome.
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jeaves posted:If it's in my budget, is there any reason not to buy the Samsung UN60F8000? I'm in this boat...currently waffling between this and the Sony KDL w900a. The Samsung looks awesome, but the Sony outlet people are willing to go much cheaper and throw in a bunch of perks (free shipping and installation, free warranty, etc.). I've been stuck in analysis paralysis for a week now.
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Jan posted:So what are the options available to me for screen calibration? I saw the Disney World of Wonder disc mentioned, and it seems to have glowing reviews all around... Is this my best bet for calibrating my LG LED screen on my own? So far the best thing I've done to get better black & white levels was to set local LED dimming... But anything that takes the guesswork out of this crap would be welcome. AVS Forums' free calibration disc, Avia Guide to Home Theater, or THX-Certified DVD/Blu-Ray movies, which will contain an optimization "guide". There's also model-specific threads on AVSForums. And if all else fails, Google is your friend. I tried the settings someone posted online for my own TV (I only use them for film), and it seems fine to me so far.
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