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Logically, the best solution would have been for the Paladin to pray for his deity to intercede on behalf of the innocent lizardfolk babies. At which point the DM sends a low-level outsider as a messenger of the Paladin's deity to let him know that they'll ensure the lizardfolk babies will be taken care of off-screen after the party leaves.
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ZenMasterBullshit posted:Dad-paladin and his adopted lizardkids sounds super cool and clearly you guys needed to step up your roleplayin to meet him. In one of my DnD campaigns the party's crazy C-G Dragon Magazine Paladin Variant "Slay all Evil" weirdo ended up finding and surprisingly adopting a half demon baby, it was pretty cool. Then in the next campaign set twenty years later he had taken the Leadership feat to have her as a real L-G Paladin Follower. It was magical.  Some cute callback stuff I noticed, when the party is in the desert at first and Draketooth's Illusion explodes and Belkar complains about them blowing up the gate without him, Haley says "That was a Boom, the gates make more of a KRAKATHOOM noise". Sure enough that's the sound effect all the gates exploding makes.
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Aug 29, 2013 01:34
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Sir Kodiak posted:An entire team that spent as much time dealing with the collateral damage of their heroism as they do killing and looting would be pretty fun, though. Like the economy they collapsed by selling the mystical artifacts they plunder from ancient tombs in favor of a slightly sharper sword? 
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Aug 29, 2013 01:40
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I'd just like to take a step back and reiterate just how cool it is that the Empire of Blood uses dinosaurs for its mounts. Who hasn't imagined something like that as a kid?
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Aug 29, 2013 02:14
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Fried Chicken posted:So basically what the Sapphire Guard did. That certainly worked out well with no blowback whatsoever There was only blowback because they failed to finish the job 
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Aug 29, 2013 02:37
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Ursine Asylum posted:There was only blowback because they failed to finish the job A... final solution... if you will? Sounds like Malack's plan. evil vampire, lawful good paladin, they aren't as different as you might think!
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Aug 29, 2013 03:08
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Fried Chicken posted:A... final solution... if you will? Sounds like Malack's plan. evil vampire, lawful good paladin, they aren't as different as you might think! What else do you expect when your lawful good deity explicitly creates races for the sole purpose of "allowed" genocide?
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Aug 29, 2013 03:42
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Ooh, maybe that's what the snarl is. Something that completely unravels the arbitrary delineations of good and evil. The world on the other side of the snarl is a world where morality isn't in black and white, or even in shades of grey, but in color.
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Aug 29, 2013 04:20
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Speedball posted:I'd just like to take a step back and reiterate just how cool it is that the Empire of Blood uses dinosaurs for its mounts. Who hasn't imagined something like that as a kid? Halflings in Eberron are nomadic barbarians that tame and ride dinosaurs and use their leather and bones to craft their weapons.
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Aug 29, 2013 04:20
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D1Sergo posted:In hindsight I agree, the rest of us just kind of wanted to be done with the lizardfolk issue instead of being cool and rolling with it. This is why it's bad GMing to put lizardfolk babies in the lair. It should have 3d8 lizardfolk warriors, a shaman, two barbarians, and a cleric chieftain, as well as a level appropriate treasure drop, and that's it. You stick a bunch of helpless babies with dead parents into a campaign, and what do you think the players are going to do? They're going to split right down the middle between, "Interact with the obvious plothook," and, "Set everything on fire in rebellion against the obvious plothook."
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Aug 29, 2013 06:25
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Speedball posted:Ooh, maybe that's what the snarl is. Something that completely unravels the arbitrary delineations of good and evil. The world on the other side of the snarl is a world where morality isn't in black and white, or even in shades of grey, but in color. The Snarl is 4th Edition 
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Aug 29, 2013 06:47
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Speedball posted:Ooh, maybe that's what the snarl is. Something that completely unravels the arbitrary delineations of good and evil. The world on the other side of the snarl is a world where morality isn't in black and white, or even in shades of grey, but in color. Imagine Belkar's. Edit: Also, it would literally make the moral of the story "alignment arguments are stupid". girl dick energy fucked around with this message at 07:37 on Aug 29, 2013 |
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Aug 29, 2013 07:33
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New strip http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0915.html
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Aug 29, 2013 07:41
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 Yes; this is the perfect time to throw a wrench into things.
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Aug 29, 2013 07:44
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I no longer understand what Tarquin is thinking. Like, everything up to this point had a logical end. What's the end to this? Derail the world-saving quest for an old man? How does Tarquin gain from any possible outcome to that?
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Aug 29, 2013 07:53
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The Leper Colon V posted:I no longer understand what Tarquin is thinking. Like, everything up to this point had a logical end. What's the end to this? What do we really know about Ian? Ignoring that fact, we could just take it at face value that he wants to make sure Hailey is worthy of Elan. Anyway, shiv 'im in the kidneys Hailey, toot sweets.
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Aug 29, 2013 07:56
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Not going to lie, I hesitated long enough to check the href before clicking on your link. The Leper Colon V posted:I no longer understand what Tarquin is thinking. Like, everything up to this point had a logical end. What's the end to this? Could be exactly what it says on the tin, with a side dose of "this is what you get for lying to me".
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Aug 29, 2013 07:58
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The Leper Colon V posted:I no longer understand what Tarquin is thinking. Like, everything up to this point had a logical end. What's the end to this? What, you thought Nale got "disproportionate revenge for quasi-imagined slights" from his mom? Did you see what Tarquin did to the bounty hunters over the thermal detonator joke? Tarquin has the same basic pettiness that Nale did, it's just that he's smart enough to work around it most of the time. This time, he indulged. In other news, looking at the map we see....that Reptilia is totally hosed.
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Aug 29, 2013 08:07
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It's not like Tarquin has a history of petty vindictiveness and major overreactions to relatively minor slights. Really, "I didn't care for the way he spoke to me. As if we were equals." is rather in-character for him. Though, of course, it really could be that Ian did do something we've yet to see that would get Tarquin doing this. Then again, I'm getting the very distinct impression that he's about to leave himself open to a Sneak Attack, what with actively provoking the hell out of Haley.
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Regalingualius posted:It's not like Tarquin has a history of petty vindictiveness and major overreactions to relatively minor slights. While I'm with you on why, I can't agree with your prediction for Haley. If she shivved him right now, it would just cause her's, Elan's, and the whole Order's (with the possible exception of V's) deaths. Tarquin alone stood off most of the team when they were in good shape. Now they're battered and broken, surrounded by an army, and two of Tarquin's high level buddies are RIGHT THERE. No, Haley proved with Crystal that she's patient enough to take her revenge when it will do the most good, and that time is certainly not now.
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Aug 29, 2013 08:21
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True enough. However, given that Tarquin just completely and utterly invalidated years' worth of her doing everything she could to free her father, and right after she'd thought she'd managed to do it,she might not exactly be in the most rational of mindsets.
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Aug 29, 2013 08:37
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I think Tarquin is slipping out of 'An evil empire must exist, I should run it to the best of my ability' and into 'I believe I am the main villain here, so I should do villainous things'. He seems to think as the main villain he's immune to any kind of death save at the hand of the main hero (that being Elan in his mind). He's degenerating from dangerously genre savvy to think that the world literally runs on the rules of story and hence he's got it all figured out.
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Regalingualius posted:True enough. However, given that Tarquin just completely and utterly invalidated years' worth of her doing everything she could to free her father, and right after she'd thought she'd managed to do it,she might not exactly be in the most rational of mindsets. And that's part of the test. He's spot checking for heroism, if she either attacks now, essentially dooming the group, or chooses finding her father over getting to the gate she fails. She needs to be a true heroine to play any role in his planned confrontation with Elan.
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A true heroine would manage to save both her father and the world.  Maybe Tarquin just figures that since Haley will probably participate in the eventual attempt to defeat him, she should be motivated by reasons beyond "my boyfriend wants it done" to make the narrative of it all stronger.
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I wonder where Ian and Geoff went, anyways? Ian said he knew of a place, but it's gotta be difficult to navigate a desert when your companion has a peg leg.
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TunaSpleen posted:I wonder where Ian and Geoff went, anyways? Ian said he knew of a place, but it's gotta be difficult to navigate a desert when your companion has a peg leg. I'm still banking on that "Ian's a Draketooth" theory from awhile back. I'll bet any minute now he's going to show up at the pyramid and that's going to lead to one hell of an awkward moment for everyone involved.
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Aug 29, 2013 12:33
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Wonder how the "Tarquin's not actually evil" camp is going to spin THAT one. Or "cold", I guess.
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Aug 29, 2013 13:02
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I absolutely love just how casually Tarquin mentions Elan being his only son.
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Aug 29, 2013 13:09
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God when Tarquin and Xykon meet it's going to be fantastic.
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sebmojo posted:God when Tarquin and Xykon meet it's going to be fantastic. Sadly, I believe that's well and truly past the point of happening. Xykon is now just outside the last dungeon in the Dwarven lands, on the other side of the world, and has no interest in the Western Continent whatsoever save that it'll be crushed beneath his skinless foot when he has the Snarl.
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The whole point of Tarquin is you have to wake up very early to get one over on him, and he goes to considerable lengths to establish that. This isn't really a surprising turn of events. On top of that, he's pressuring the Order to accept his help. Stubbornly making their own way to the Northern continent might get them there in time to stop Xykon, but they couldn't do that and save Haley's father. Then they might want the help of the psion that can open portals.
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DrakePegasus posted:Sadly, I believe that's well and truly past the point of happening. Xykon is now just outside the last dungeon in the Dwarven lands, on the other side of the world, and has no interest in the Western Continent whatsoever save that it'll be crushed beneath his skinless foot when he has the Snarl. With two books left, I can safely predict that Xykon is going to win this next one just so everyone who actually has an arc in the story (including Redcloak) can hit their lowest point right at the end of the next book. That means that Tarquin meeting up with him in the final book for that unpredictable villain versus villain action he wanted to avoid could be a real possibility (and a nice way to dovetail some threads).
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Random Stranger posted:With two books left, I can safely predict that Xykon is going to win this next one just so everyone who actually has an arc in the story (including Redcloak) can hit their lowest point right at the end of the next book. I'm wondering in what context Xykon will win. It's not like seizing a gate can have the outcome he wants it to. I mean I'm sure he'll crush everyone, but he's not gonna be using the Snarl to dominate the world.
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Xykon could seize the gate and cast the ritual, find out it doesn't do what he wants, and then have a badass throwdown with Redcloak. Regardless of outcome, the Dark One finds out it doesn't do what he wants, either. Obviously the narrative issue here is that it'd take a lot of tension out of the story, but there's plenty of room for a new thread, such as a race to re-seal the rifts because poo poo gets unstable.
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Aug 29, 2013 14:32
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Well I guess that confirms Catgirl has the assassin PrC.
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EDIT: Well, poo poo. For some reason it was telling me 0 new posts in thread.
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Aug 29, 2013 14:48
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That's the one we've been discussing.
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The Leper Colon V posted:I no longer understand what Tarquin is thinking. Like, everything up to this point had a logical end. What's the end to this? I take him at his word here. In his own evil, hosed up way, he really does care about his child
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sebmojo posted:God when Tarquin and Xykon meet it's going to be fantastic. There are a few ways it could go, but honestly the only reason I could see it actually happening in the comic is so Xykon could just murder him offhand without really thinking about it. Although it might be neat if Tarquin tries his "general for a powerful figurehead idiot" trick with Xykon, since in a way that's what Redcloak's already been doing.
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Dolash posted:There are a few ways it could go, but honestly the only reason I could see it actually happening in the comic is so Xykon could just murder him offhand without really thinking about it. Well, Tarquin is in need of a powerful LE cleric right now so...
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