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greatn posted:Eh, prophecies are bullshit anyway. I wouldn't bank on him dying by the end of the year. Considering that he Oracle can accurately predict his own death down to the minute, that hasn't been wrong yet, and this is a world of high magic I don't know why you'd think the Oracle is full of poo poo.
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Who What Now posted:Considering that he Oracle can accurately predict his own death down to the minute, that hasn't been wrong yet, and this is a world of high magic I don't know why you'd think the Oracle is full of poo poo. Cause he's an rear end.
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Sep 23, 2013 18:40
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greatn posted:Cause he's an rear end. Yes, but he's an rear end that hasn't been wrong yet.
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Sep 23, 2013 18:45
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Yeah, the Oracle is really gonna get one over on the Belkster when he doesn't die.
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Sep 23, 2013 18:46
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I can't remember, did the Oracle specify that it was physical death and not some "The man you were is dead" bullshit?
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Sep 23, 2013 19:37
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He specifically says "Belkar will draw his last breath - ever - before the end of the year".
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Sep 23, 2013 19:40
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Angry Walrus posted:I can't remember, did the Oracle specify that it was physical death and not some "The man you were is dead" bullshit? Red Metal posted:He specifically says "Belkar will draw his last breath - ever - before the end of the year". Yep. Panel 5, complete with the whole lights dimming, spotlight from above, hovering, green speech balloon, the whole nine yards.
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Sep 23, 2013 19:43
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Red Metal posted:He specifically says "Belkar will draw his last breath - ever - before the end of the year". Which still leaves the "A changed man" out, it just requires a name change. It's a prophesy that could be defeated by an action movie sting "Belkar died at that gate with Mr. Fluffy. I guess it time for me to go find out who I am now."
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SirDan3k posted:Which still leaves the "A changed man" out, it just requires a name change. It's a prophesy that could be defeated by an action movie sting "Belkar died at that gate with Mr. Fluffy. I guess it time for me to go find out who I am now." In a world with vampires and undead, I can't imagine Rich would pull something this blatantly terrible.
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Sep 23, 2013 19:49
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W.T. Fits posted:Yep. Panel 5, complete with the whole lights dimming, spotlight from above, hovering, green speech balloon, the whole nine yards. Yeah, but the oracle said it to a disembodied spirit, so it doesn't count. 
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Sep 23, 2013 20:12
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Can't wait for Belkar to die so we never have to talk about this prophecy ever again.
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Sep 23, 2013 20:27
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SirDan3k posted:Which still leaves the "A changed man" out, it just requires a name change. It's a prophesy that could be defeated by an action movie sting "Belkar died at that gate with Mr. Fluffy. I guess it time for me to go find out who I am now." The sequel to OotS will be about not-Belkar as he walks the world in the rift.
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Sep 23, 2013 20:29
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Noah posted:Can't wait for Belkar to die so we never have to talk about this prophecy ever again. That didn't help with the Vaarsuvius prophecy.
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Sep 23, 2013 20:55
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The vague wording of the prophecy may have just been setting people up to expect Belkar to become a vampire. I know it totally threw me for a loop when it ended up happening to Durkon instead. He might die or he might somehow not die, but don't count on the vagueness of the prophecy guaranteeing his survival.
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Sep 23, 2013 20:57
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The Oracle also said it first here, though again with euphemisms. On the one hand, I'd prefer it if it were a no bullshit prophecy and Belkar actually dies. On the second hand, I have to admit that it would be perfectly in-character for the Oracle to mislead the Order into thinking Belkar will die soon, even if it isn't what he has actually foreseen.
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Sep 23, 2013 21:36
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If Belkar's death prophecy is supposed to happen after a real-time year, does that include the time that Burlew spent out of commission due to his thumb? On that note, I think it'd be funny if Belkar died, then Durkula vamped him... in the middle of the sunlit day, with no protection. "Durkon!!! Why'd you let him burn up?!?" *shrugs* "Eh, ah dinnae really care for him." Simian_Prime fucked around with this message at 22:04 on Sep 23, 2013 |
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Sep 23, 2013 22:00
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Simian_Prime posted:If Belkar's death prophecy is supposed to happen after a real-time year, does that include the time that Burlew spent out of commission due to his thumb? No there's even a blatant wink at the camera about it being an in story year.
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Sep 23, 2013 22:04
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Simian_Prime posted:If Belkar's death prophecy is supposed to happen after a real-time year, does that include the time that Burlew spent out of commission due to his thumb? It's an in-comic year, fourth wall fans!
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Sep 23, 2013 22:06
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"That's an 'in-comic' year, not a real-time year, Oracle fans!"
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Sep 23, 2013 22:06
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Ah, I saw that panel and totally read it wrong. Stupid brain!
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Sep 23, 2013 23:16
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Here's a crazy guess for you: that spice Belkar ate back in comic 688 made him invisible to prescience. The Oracle saw Belkar vanish from the radar shortly after a slaver-bug raid and interpreted it as "yeah, that little fucker's dead".
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Sep 24, 2013 03:25
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Jeez have we really spent 250+ pages in the desert? That book's gonna be huge.
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Sep 24, 2013 05:48
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Technogeek posted:Here's a crazy guess for you: that spice Belkar ate back in comic 688 made him invisible to prescience. The Oracle saw Belkar vanish from the radar shortly after a slaver-bug raid and interpreted it as "yeah, that little fucker's dead". I don't know a thing about Dune, so I can't say that spice can't retroactively occlude prophecy. But if it does, that's well out of league for a good reference of a main plot point, even for OotS. Cliff Racer posted:Jeez have we really spent 250+ pages in the desert? That book's gonna be huge. Really? It's been that long? I wonder how long they were in Azure City now?
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Who What Now posted:Really? It's been that long? I wonder how long they were in Azure City now? Well, they arrived in book 2, strip 260 The siege ended with book 3, strip 484
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Who What Now posted:I don't know a thing about Dune, so I can't say that spice can't retroactively occlude prophecy. But if it does, that's well out of league for a good reference of a main plot point, even for OotS. In Dune, the Spice grants powers of precognition (...sort of). However, the main character, acting upon his own powers of precognition after ingesting the Spice, is able to so disrupt the flow of events as to invalidate the prophecies of others, so maybe.
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Sep 24, 2013 14:09
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fool_of_sound posted:In Dune, the Spice grants powers of precognition (...sort of). However, the main character, acting upon his own powers of precognition after ingesting the Spice, is able to so disrupt the flow of events as to invalidate the prophecies of others, so maybe. He also breeds people to be immune to prophecies, but I really doubt Rich is going to do any more Dune references if he hasn't already. Man those books got weird.
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Kruller posted:He also breeds people to be immune to prophecies, but I really doubt Rich is going to do any more Dune references if he hasn't already. Man those books got weird. Calling it now, Belkar takes his last breath ever because he turns into an immortal sandworm-god, and those don't need to breathe.
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Sep 24, 2013 20:17
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Belkar dies by casting Meteor in an attempt to kill Golbez and stop him from reaching the moon.
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greatn posted:Belkar dies by casting Meteor in an attempt to kill Golbez and stop him from reaching the moon. Of course a spoony goon would predict this. (This is my favorite and probably the mostly likely prediction for Belkar has made)
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Kruller posted:He also breeds people to be immune to prophecies, but I really doubt Rich is going to do any more Dune references if he hasn't already. Man those books got weird. And yeah they got super weird. Lots of authors that grow old and stop caring go pretty bonkers though. In Herbert's case it was amazingly creative and surreal.
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Spiderdrake posted:And yeah they got super weird. Lots of authors that grow old and stop caring go pretty bonkers though. In Herbert's case it was amazingly creative and surreal. Pretty sure he was like that from the start. Just took him a book or two to build up to it.
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Sep 24, 2013 21:48
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I was going to suggest the Snarl might be able to mess with causality, but that works too. Alternatively, there's duplicates of everyone on the other side of the Gate and the
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They meet the cousin of Yikyik, Yukyuk and Yokyok who is curiously named Belkar. Cause I'm thinking the Oracle didn't point to the halfling Belkar when he said "a" Belkar would draw his last breath ever.
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Sep 25, 2013 02:48
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nimby posted:They meet the cousin of Yikyik, Yukyuk and Yokyok who is curiously named Belkar. He was talking about Belker.
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Sep 25, 2013 04:00
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MonsterEnvy posted:He was talking about Belker. Isn't that a D&D monster? Fake edit: It is!
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Sep 25, 2013 05:14
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nimby posted:They meet the cousin of Yikyik, Yukyuk and Yokyok who is curiously named Belkar. For a while there I was hoping after Belkar died there'd be a gag where the Order comes across an almost-identical adventurer roughly the same level at their next rest stop named "Shmelkar", or something, but Tarquin already made that joke when ordering Roy and the others be killed. The replacement-Belkar being a Kobold might've been poetic justice, too. I know it's been established that OOTS is a world based on D&D rather than an ongoing game of it, but I still wonder if they'll dig up a replacement for Belkar to get the Order back up to "full strength". Then again, Belkar's pretty much the most expendable of the bunch in terms of what he contributes.
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Ponsonby Britt posted:Calling it now, Belkar takes his last breath ever because he turns into an immortal sandworm-god, and those don't need to breathe. I guess they can't eat cake either, and being immortal they don't need to bother about funding their retirement. I'm sold, it's much better than Belkar becoming some sort of undead.
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Cat Mattress posted:I guess they can't eat cake either, and being immortal they don't need to bother about funding their retirement. I'm not going to lie, I'm 100% expecting some sort of rules-sperging fakeout like this where Belkar's like "oh, that was a close one" or "oh, that's sort of weird" and Roy has just enough time to say "Wait, are you loving kidding me" before Belkar actually just flat-out dies.
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Ursine Asylum posted:I'm not going to lie, I'm 100% expecting some sort of rules-sperging fakeout like this where Belkar's like "oh, that was a close one" or "oh, that's sort of weird" and Roy has just enough time to say "Wait, are you loving kidding me" before Belkar actually just flat-out dies.
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Ursine Asylum posted:I'm not going to lie, I'm 100% expecting some sort of rules-sperging fakeout like this where Belkar's like "oh, that was a close one" or "oh, that's sort of weird" and Roy has just enough time to say "Wait, are you loving kidding me" before Belkar actually just flat-out dies. Yeah, for Belkar I am completely anticipating it to be played straight. People are looking for a way out and the prophecy is set up that way, but the twist will be that there is no twist. Belkar dies and then the team spends the last book dealing with stuff without him. The real question is what happens to Mr. Scruffy.
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