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Mister Adequate posted:Surely you're going to make it all rusty and poo poo though, to drive home how bad a place it is. Not if you want it to last 10,000 years. It might rust over on the outside, but it'd have to be pretty solid on the inside. Buff that rust out and start building.
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walking posted:Just throw a bunch of bones all over the place and call it a day I would like to think that a gigantic pile of skulls has exactly the kind of timeless "gently caress off" vibe to it to act as a deterrant for future generations. Hopefully it should also be placed on a dead and desolate place where the landscape make winds howl really creepily...
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EightBit posted:The poo poo they are trying to bury for 10,000 years is going to be the kind of radioactive that can kill whole communities when people get hold of it and notice that the magic beads stay warm and get warmer when you pile them up. Look at what happens when people mistakenly steal trucks containing radioactive compounds for medical use: people play with the poo poo and die horrible deaths because the harm is not immediately obvious. So, yeah, there's a bit of a humanitarian effort to figure out what to do with this stuff; it will be around longer than we know how nasty it is. PittTheElder posted:Not if you want it to last 10,000 years. It might rust over on the outside, but it'd have to be pretty solid on the inside. Buff that rust out and start building.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:25
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Old James posted:Before you know it people start getting sick and turn on the stoic iceman who wandered into town days before with a case of amnesia and a container with strange rocks inside. And then he gets speared and buried outside of town and two weirdos show up later and gently caress with the water supply.
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Mar 20, 2014 22:44
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I don't see why just a giant picture of a human skull wouldn't be sufficient considering it's a pretty universal symbol of death.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:02
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I would take the existing nuclear symbol and replace the center circle with a skull.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:04
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Okay. How large are these communities? Because air pollution alone kills around 2.4 million people a year in the present. How many people do you expect to die from magic self-heating rocks before people learn they're bad rocks? Relax, I don't think the resources spent on this report were enough to solve our pollution problems. There was no missed opportunity here. America is a big place and we can do multiple things at once. If we want to talk about what we should cut to redirect resources to ending pollution, we could pick almost anything else. Line say...dropping a couple trillion on a foreign military adventure every 10 years.
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Even rusted metal can just be melted down again, right? Isn't it basically rust when its found naturally in the first place? It can be yes, but then you'd have to smelt out the impurities (the rust basically). That's the hard part I'm pretty sure, so would want to avoid melting it if at all possible.
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Fojar38 posted:I don't see why just a giant picture of a human skull wouldn't be sufficient considering it's a pretty universal symbol of death. The Skulletons of Ariboneza will be horribly confused when they come across the signs amid the wastelands of 48th-century America.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:07
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Fojar38 posted:I don't see why just a giant picture of a human skull wouldn't be sufficient considering it's a pretty universal symbol of death. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mr._Yuk
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Fojar38 posted:I don't see why just a giant picture of a human skull wouldn't be sufficient considering it's a pretty universal symbol of death. Sounds like an invitation to grave robbers. The idea is to convey that it is legitimately dangerous rather than an attempt to keep away looters. I tend to agree that it's all a waste of time though. Not because it's not dangerous, but the risk is relatively small and playing it up just makes nuclear power more of this mystical danger while we continue to harm people now by burning coal.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:09
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Really the solution is to rig up the waste so that anyone that enters the chamber gets a couple of Gray. I'd like to think people would stop going to the cave that kills you after the first dozen or so of deaths.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:12
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Fojar38 posted:I don't see why just a giant picture of a human skull wouldn't be sufficient considering it's a pretty universal symbol of death. Well, what if in the future humans have their skulls inside out, what then?!
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Raskolnikov38 posted:Really the solution is to rig up the waste so that anyone that enters the chamber gets a couple of Gray. I'd like to think people would stop going to the cave that kills you after the first dozen or so of deaths. The chamber we don't want people to go into probably isn't going to have an entrance.
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Mar 20, 2014 23:35
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Why aren't we dropping super dangerous radioactive stuff into the mid atlantic subduction zone? Don't have to worry about spent rods when they become part of the mantle.
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duodenum posted:Why aren't we dropping super dangerous radioactive stuff into the mid atlantic subduction zone? Don't have to worry about spent rods when they become part of the mantle. This sounds like a recipe to create Godzilla.
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Unlikely since radiation travels practically nowhere in water. See also: Swimming in nuclear power plants.
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duodenum posted:Why aren't we dropping super dangerous radioactive stuff into the mid atlantic subduction zone? Don't have to worry about spent rods when they become part of the mantle. Because tectonic movement works on geologic time scales. Even if we could safely lower the stuff into the ocean floor, by the time it actually got to the "melt into the mantle" part, it wound't be dangerous any more. Plus you'd have to worry about the container rupturing under the water pressure and potentially spreading throughout the ocean, which would be A Bad Thing. Radioactive waste really isn't dangerous enough to be pulling risky gambits like that, we just need to find a hole where it can sit for 10,000 years and then leave it there. Or find ways to reprocess it into even less dangerous forms, which people are looking at all the time. Boiled Water posted:Unlikely since radiation travels practically nowhere in water. See also: Swimming in nuclear power plants. The radiation wouldn't go far, but if the containers ever ruptured, then the radioactive material itself sure would.
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PittTheElder posted:Because tectonic movement works on geologic time scales. Even if we could safely lower the stuff into the ocean floor, by the time it actually got to the "melt into the mantle" part, it wound't be dangerous any more. Plus you'd have to worry about the container rupturing under the water pressure and potentially spreading throughout the ocean, which would be A Bad Thing. Couldn't you plug the hole?  What could possibly go wrong! Family Values fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Mar 21, 2014 |
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Mar 21, 2014 00:30
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Aside from it being an overreaction with some degree of risk, some nuclear waste is basically only waste because of the technologies we use now as far as I know. In which case, you're basically dumping potential fuel for no reason.VitalSigns posted:Relax, I don't think the resources spent on this report were enough to solve our pollution problems. There was no missed opportunity here. America is a big place and we can do multiple things at once.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:38
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To be honest, I don't care what happens to people thousands of years from now, especially if our current global civilization has apparently been so thoroughly destroyed that there is no continuity between now and then. Call me temporocentric.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:44
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Wait, why are future people dumb enough to not know what a sign that denotes nuclear waste looks like in the first place?
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Well they might not know if there's some kind of apocalyptic event in the future but even then it seems like the whole idea is really condescending. People robbed the Pyramids and I imagine they'd treat this kind of Monument Of An Ancient Civilisation with the same healthy nonchalance, however 'foreboding' or 'cursed' it is.
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Mar 21, 2014 00:50
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Honestly, any crazy symbols or architecture would just make people more determined to get in. Imagine if you were walking in the woods and found an ancient ruin strewn with foreboding symbols. Would you heed the warning, or think "Man, they must have kept all the *really* good treasure in here if they're trying to scare me off like this!" Just seal it in a huge thick box of steel and concrete, cover the outside with rock and dirt, and hope future peoples have better things to do until they discover radiation.
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Yeah there's literally nothing you could do to stop people from getting in there. Even if they still spoke English and you just wrote "This will kill you, there's nothing of value here" they're going to get in there and wonder where you hid the good poo poo. We should just leave it sitting around in the open so people never forget about it.
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TheBalor posted:Honestly, any crazy symbols or architecture would just make people more determined to get in. Imagine if you were walking in the woods and found an ancient ruin strewn with foreboding symbols. Would you heed the warning, or think "Man, they must have kept all the *really* good treasure in here if they're trying to scare me off like this!" I think half the idea is that people will definitely try and break in, succeed, and probably die shortly thereafter. But then hopefully that information disseminates somehow, and that people won't go into places marked with that symbol again. The other half is just making ourselves feel better by imagining solutions we have no ability to test or rationally analyse.
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duodenum posted:Why aren't we dropping super dangerous radioactive stuff into the mid atlantic subduction zone? Don't have to worry about spent rods when they become part of the mantle. Because the Atlantic makes crust? Zohar posted:Well they might not know if there's some kind of apocalyptic event in the future but even then it seems like the whole idea is really condescending. People robbed the Pyramids and I imagine they'd treat this kind of Monument Of An Ancient Civilisation with the same healthy nonchalance, however 'foreboding' or 'cursed' it is. A lot of people who robbed the pyramids were those that built them and were underpaid.
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Actually we should just make monumental tombs of Death That Should Be Sealed Lest An Unspeakable Evil be Unleashed Upon The World, and fill them with all of our most poisonous, deadly and toxic things. Because Unspeakable Sealed Evil In a Tomb is freaking awesome.
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computer parts posted:A lot of people who robbed the pyramids were those that built them and were underpaid. A lot, yes.
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Mikl posted:This is actually a serious problem regarding the disposal of nuclear waste. Don't spoil the ending of raiders of the lost ark.
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DrSunshine posted:Actually we should just make monumental tombs of Death That Should Be Sealed Lest An Unspeakable Evil be Unleashed Upon The World, and fill them with all of our most poisonous, deadly and toxic things. Because Unspeakable Sealed Evil In a Tomb is freaking awesome. We already have that; it contains the remains of Timur. The Soviets dared open it in June of 1941, and re-interred him in of November 1942. Coincidence? 
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TheBalor posted:Honestly, any crazy symbols or architecture would just make people more determined to get in. Imagine if you were walking in the woods and found an ancient ruin strewn with foreboding symbols. Would you heed the warning, or think "Man, they must have kept all the *really* good treasure in here if they're trying to scare me off like this!" For many of the same reasons that I don't go into abandoned spooky houses I find in the woods, no. Maybe I'm just a pussy though.
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We used to dump nuclear waste in the ocean. It was banned by international treaty in 1993, although there are rumors that it continued much longer off the coast of Somalia, and possibly other places. Anyway, if we're discussing that monumental nuclear forbidden zone, its worth remembering it was never built, and there are no plans for ever building such a complex. It's more of an interesting intellectual exercise and an illustrative example brutalist architectural themes than a serious project.  Global dumping of nuclear waste. Many of the the containers used to dump waste in deep water have since been found to implode under pressure, or corrode over relatively short timespans.
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Guys, I figured it out: We bury it all under Mount Rushmore, carve the faces down to skulls, and change the name to Mt. Doom.  
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I'll agree to this only if they are made of sugar. 
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PittTheElder posted:Because tectonic movement works on geologic time scales. Even if we could safely lower the stuff into the ocean floor, by the time it actually got to the "melt into the mantle" part, it wound't be dangerous any more. Plus you'd have to worry about the container rupturing under the water pressure and potentially spreading throughout the ocean, which would be A Bad Thing. Everyone keeps throwing around 10,000 years but Bill Nye the Science Guy told me that that was a fairly arbitrary number used for specing out the Yucca Mountain project and in reality the stuff would still be pretty nasty for something like 300,000 years. This is long enough to get sucked down into the mantle (or to have whatever other super great stable rock formation we bury it in not be so great anymore). Reprocessing it into less dangerous forms by neutron burning and other methods and then burying the poo poo for hundreds rather than thousands of years seems like the way to go.
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Why can't we just take a abandoned mine and just fill'er up? We might need the stuff as fuel in 1000 years, sticking it in a mine seems fitting.
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Baloogan posted:Why can't we just take a abandoned mine and just fill'er up? We might need the stuff as fuel in 1000 years, sticking it in a mine seems fitting. Yes, but wait until the Dwarves dig too greedily and deep
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Shoot it into europa then build a big rear end monolith. "ALL THESE ARE YOURS EXCEPT EUROPA ATTEMPT NO LANDINGS THERE". Done.
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