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Jaramin posted:It's strange that the Falklands don't vote with the UK according to this map. Related to maps:  That's from a warm up about 2 weeks ago. FIFA is considering punishments.
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IntricoInutile posted:I love this thread. Time to contribute. But not too seriously. What did Malawi do? All I can guess is that Malawi voted against the PRC joining the UN in 1971 and only diplomatically recognized the PRC in 2008, but there are other countries that continue to this day to recognize the ROC that aren't on that map, like Paraguay and Burkina Faso.
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OctaviusBeaver posted:Yeah but now 3rd world means really poor and 2nd world means kinda poor. I haven't seen "second world" used by any contemporary sources. As a group, communist and formerly communist countries are pretty diverse and it doesn't usually make sense to talk about them all at once.
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Grand Fromage posted:Climate is weird. I never properly appreciated how far north Europe is until I visited Germany and it was still daylight at like 10:30 PM. Well on the flipside, it was pretty disorienting for my Californian rear end to see the sun setting at 3:30 PM in Edinburgh and Copenhagen or at 2:45 PM in Stockholm.
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Baronjutter posted:The Netherlands is basically entirely a huge rich farming delta. If the land isn't a city or a bike path it's a highly productive farm. Those are the only 3 land uses the dutch have. City, cycle infrastructure, or farm. There is nothing else. What about dikes? Or do they build bike paths on the dike?
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Pakled posted:What did Malawi do? All I can guess is that Malawi voted against the PRC joining the UN in 1971 and only diplomatically recognized the PRC in 2008, but there are other countries that continue to this day to recognize the ROC that aren't on that map, like Paraguay and Burkina Faso. I believe Malawi instituted restrictions on "foreign-owned" (i.e. Chinese-owned) corner stores (bodegas) a few years back because they were undercutting the locally owned shops. Uganda had the same complaint against Indian shopkeepers decades ago.
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China's inflated sense of historical grievance has a tendency to make them look like crybabies on the world stage and its really hurting their attempts to gain great power recognition.
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IntricoInutile posted:I love this thread. Time to contribute. But not too seriously. Is Vietnam on the list because China has repeatedly failed to conquer it?
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PittTheElder posted:Is Vietnam on the list because China has repeatedly failed to conquer it? I'd wager something involving the South China Sea. Safe bet for all the countries colored black in that area.
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Fojar38 posted:China's inflated sense of historical grievance has a tendency to make them look like crybabies on the world stage and its really hurting their attempts to gain great power recognition. I don't think China cares too much what western liberal democracies think of them, the Soviets certainly didn't and I don't think anyone would contest their 'great power' status Pook Good Mook posted:I'd wager something involving the South China Sea. Safe bet for all the countries colored black in that area. It's probably more to do with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War TL/DR China tried to invade Vietnam in the late '70s, and the Vietnamese kicked their teeth in, forcing them to sue for peace The Philippines are probably to do with the South China Sea, and Japan has to do with Japan invading and killing millions of people indiscriminately vvvvvvv Yeah, and that icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 05:19 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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icantfindaname posted:Japan has to do with Japan invading and killing millions of people indiscriminately It's everything since 1946.
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Konstantin posted:I thought the term "third world" was related to the terms "old world" and "new world". The old world is Europe and parts of the Middle East and North Africa, the new world is the Americas, and the third world is everyplace else. Surprised that is actually refers to something totally different, but you learn new things all the time. It was originally a reference to the third estate in France before the 1789 revolution: Wikipedia posted:French demographer, anthropologist and historian Alfred Sauvy, in an article published in the French magazine L'Observateur, August 14, 1952, coined the term Third World, referring to countries that were unaligned with either the Communist Soviet bloc or the Capitalist NATO bloc during the Cold War. His usage was a reference to the Third Estate, the commoners of France who, before and during the French Revolution, opposed the clergy and nobles, who composed the First Estate and Second Estate, respectively. Sauvy wrote, "This third world ignored, exploited, despised like the third estate also wants to be something." He conveyed the concept of political non-alignment with either the capitalist or communist bloc.
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withak posted:What about dikes? Or do they build bike paths on the dike? Dikes don't count as land use because as far as Holland is concerned no dikes = no land.
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withak posted:What about dikes? Or do they build bike paths on the dike? Most of the time we do. 
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IntricoInutile posted:I love this thread. Time to contribute. But not too seriously. quote:Albania: in 1978, for criticism of Chairman Mao and the Chinese Communist Party
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icantfindaname posted:I don't think China cares too much what western liberal democracies think of them, the Soviets certainly didn't and I don't think anyone would contest their 'great power' status If China didn't want to look like a little bitch they'd invade a bit of the Ukraine.
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Fojar38 posted:China's inflated sense of historical grievance has a tendency to make them look like crybabies on the world stage and its really hurting their attempts to gain great power recognition. As opposed to looking like hypocritical cry babies on the world stage like the United States?
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Trench_Rat posted:Vietnam: in 1979, for a high official's slander of China 1979 you say. Gee, I wonder why.
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Fojar38 posted:China's inflated sense of historical grievance has a tendency to make them look like crybabies on the world stage and its really hurting their attempts to gain great power recognition. International politics isn't a loving high school prom election. If you have power then you have it. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks of you. That's pretty much the whole loving point in having power in the first place. China has power, they've got a drat veto seat on the UNSC. They don't have as much power as several other countries. That could change or it might not, but it won't have anything to do with them whining about the Opium wars or whatever the gently caress.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:International politics isn't a loving high school prom election. If you have power then you have it. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks of you. That's pretty much the whole loving point in having power in the first place. China has power, they've got a drat veto seat on the UNSC. They don't have as much power as several other countries. That could change or it might not, but it won't have anything to do with them whining about the Opium wars or whatever the gently caress.
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I assume the being a crybaby thing is done for internal reasons much like in Russia these days. (Being a huge baby about every loving thing is apparently a positive thing in some cultures  )
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A Buttery Pastry posted:What are these *several* other countries? They followed on specifically from veto power so I assume it would be the US, UK, France and Russia.
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Jerry Cotton posted:I assume the being a crybaby thing is done for internal reasons much like in Russia these days. (Being a huge baby about every loving thing is apparently a positive thing in some cultures It's a way of legitimatizing the government, which is necessary because people aren't OK with political repression and autocracy by default. If you say the big bad imperialists are out to get China/Russia and a little autocracy is unfortunately necessary to protect the nation, people are more receptive. It's entirely a PR thing, they don't care what other countries think and in fact would probably prefer to have the best of both worlds and have cordial foreign relations and a terrified, easily manipulated populace icantfindaname fucked around with this message at 17:02 on Jun 18, 2014 |
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icantfindaname posted:It's a way of legitimatizing the government, which is necessary because people aren't OK with political repression and autocracy by default. If you say the big bad imperialists are out to get China/Russia and a little autocracy is unfortunately necessary to protect the nation, people are more receptive. What about all the crying about stuff insignificant nations do (or allegedly did)?
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Jerry Cotton posted:What about all the crying about stuff insignificant nations do (or allegedly did)? It's just a stockpile of ammunition for whenever they feel like using it, if they get into a trade dispute with South Africa then they'll claim South Africa committed some of the gravest offenses to the Chinese people in its entire history, and if relations with them are good they'll mysteriously fail to mention them at all. They're not concerned about whether these claims stand up to rational scrutiny, they're there for the sake of political convenience.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:International politics isn't a loving high school prom election. If you have power then you have it. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks of you. That's pretty much the whole loving point in having power in the first place. China has power, they've got a drat veto seat on the UNSC. They don't have as much power as several other countries. That could change or it might not, but it won't have anything to do with them whining about the Opium wars or whatever the gently caress. I too believe that soft power doesn't exist and all that matters is nukes and money.
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Modern Day Hercules posted:International politics isn't a loving high school prom election. If you have power then you have it. It doesn't matter what the rest of the world thinks of you. That's pretty much the whole loving point in having power in the first place. China has power, they've got a drat veto seat on the UNSC. They don't have as much power as several other countries. That could change or it might not, but it won't have anything to do with them whining about the Opium wars or whatever the gently caress. The got on the Security Council because they kicked out the Republic, not because they had nukes or money or whatever.
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Peanut President posted:The got on the Security Council because they kicked out the Republic, not because they had nukes or money or whatever. And that presence on the security council hinged on diplomatic recognition from other countries, not the size of the PRC's army or how much money it had.
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Fojar38 posted:And that presence on the security council hinged on diplomatic recognition from other countries, not the size of the PRC's army or how much money it had. I mostly agree that soft power is very much a thing, but why do you think that even the anti-communists like the USA agreed to swap the capitalist ROC for the PRC?
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Torrannor posted:I mostly agree that soft power is very much a thing, but why do you think that even the anti-communists like the USA agreed to swap the capitalist ROC for the PRC? The US actually voted against giving the ROC's seat to the PRC, though you're right that most of NATO and the rest of the western bloc voted to admit the PRC in the actual vote itself. Since this is still a map thread here's a map of the votes.  As for why, most of the West was seeking diplomatic rapprochement with the PRC for various reasons, one of the biggest being to drive a wedge between the Soviets and the Chinese, but also because continued recognition of ROC severely hurt their ability to conduct diplomacy with the PRC. And yes, I agree that China is always going to have a certain amount of power owing to material influences (most particularly its massive size) but it's still not as simple as "They have power because they have power," particularly as far as international affairs are concerned.
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The most liberal and conservative towns in each state. Source: http://www.businessinsider.com/most-liberal-and-conservative-towns-in-each-state-2014-6 
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Gleri posted:New York is obviously one of the most diverse places on earth on really any sensible metric, but it's not coextensive with the United States as a whole. Nor is London the same as the UK, though proportionately it's much more significant. Most of America lives in ethnically homogeneous circumstances. I think population-wise, most of America lives in an ethnically diverse city, if not neighborhood, but the rural people have a disproportionate effect on our politics and culture. I grew up in small towns in Oklahoma, and one of my most powerful memories was the first time I heard someone speaking a language other than English in real life when I moved to Dallas when I was 11. Some people stayed in that town their whole lives.
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I really like "animated" maps. Here's one from Slate on land lost by Native American tribes to European settlement.  Source: http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vaul...campaign=buffer
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e: oh, nevermind, it doesn't really stop long at present day and it threw me off.
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ClearAirTurbulence posted:I think population-wise, most of America lives in an ethnically diverse city, if not neighborhood, but the rural people have a disproportionate effect on our politics and culture. It depends what you define as "the city". According to this study (page 60, Figure 4) a majority of all racial groups now live in the suburbs. These can still have ready access to the city and yet at the same time can also be highly segregated.
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Pakled posted:The most liberal and conservative towns in each state. Isn't Colorado City, AZ the home of Warren Jeffs' sect of Mormonism?
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Pakled posted:The most liberal and conservative towns in each state. Most liberal town in Nevada: Nixon edit: population 374 It is the seat of tribal government of the Paiute Pyramid Lake Indian Reservation. Nixon was named in honor of Senator George Stuart Nixon (R), who represented Nevada in the US Senate from 1905-1912.
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Sorry for the tiny image, couldn't find a bigger one that was labeled. Ladies and gentlemen, the South China Sea: a.k.a.: China saying "Look at all these islands. They're ours."
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