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Honestly, wrestling shoes aren't that big a deal in any direction. The chance it would be the difference winning and losing are really slim, it's more a comfort thing.
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Pocket Billiards posted:Josh Barnett did talk about the shoe issue in the pre-recorded bullshit. His point was something along the lines of leg defense is about not getting put into bad positions and knowing the counters, more so than relying on your foot being a bit more slippery. Like when people think of armbar defense it's about not having the arm isolated in the first place. I see Barnett has been training with Kurt Osiander.
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One time a dude was drilling with a metal brace because you know... Crazy. We messed around with some leg locks and it was funny. Can't heel hook and on knee bars he could lock the brace for defense. Obviously not a real thing you'd ever do but entertaining on a slow day.
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Xguard86 posted:One time a dude was drilling with a metal brace because you know... Crazy. We messed around with some leg locks and it was funny. Can't heel hook and on knee bars he could lock the brace for defense. I wish my school had beat up a cripple day.
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He expended too much energy and got tired
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Dangersim posted:I wish my school had beat up a cripple day. Nah, sounds like Stone Cold stopped by the gym
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Dangersim posted:I wish my school had beat up a cripple day. Tito's on it: Of Course posted:I've noticed he's deaf, so he has a soft head, you hit him with more and more shots. You people don't know this. Watch how Franklin knocked him out quick. You hit them with soft shots because their equilibrium, they don't have no equilibrium.
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MagicCube posted:I see Barnett has been training with Kurt Osiander. Kurt walked past me rolling just the other day and mumbled "you're already hosed" as he sauntered away.
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I'm not sure the shoes had any real effect I would say the what looked to be a 60 lbs weight advantage had some effect. Also the fact that Dean isn't nor should he ever be considered a real heavyweight. Him walking around at 220 is more sloth than anything else, he doesn't lift at all so it's not muscle weight. Still shocked/saddened that Barnett subbed him though, although there are maybe 2 guys in that whole gym that could accurately replicate Barnett's size and wrestling chops, one of them you actually saw on Keenan's video (Casey) and the other (me) hasn't been training there lately (6 months). Jeff Glover was right, Dean is extremely strong, and he feels like the heaviest person alive when he's on top of you. But he's not 250+ strong, especially not from the bottom with a real life heavyweight on top of him. Also since I'm the resident Lister apologist/training partner I was sour about the whole thing, so it may just be bitterness leaking out in this post.
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Mardragon posted:I'm not sure the shoes had any real effect I would say the what looked to be a 60 lbs weight advantage had some effect. That's an exaggeration. I myself thought Dean looked bigger than 220 and Barnett himself said that Lister felt way heavier on the MMA hour (choose to believe him or not, but he doesn't really come off as a liar). There was probably about a ˜35 lb weight difference which happens in HW MMA anyways
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Mardragon posted:I'm not sure the shoes had any real effect I would say the what looked to be a 60 lbs weight advantage had some effect. Also the fact that Dean isn't nor should he ever be considered a real heavyweight. Him walking around at 220 is more sloth than anything else, he doesn't lift at all so it's not muscle weight.
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Aug 21, 2014 18:27
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Making sure you're strong at the weight class you choose to compete in is a pretty big part of combat sports, "well the other guy was bigger and stronger" isn't much of an excuse.
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Aug 21, 2014 18:30
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Do you honestly have Barnett level wrestling chops?
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Novum posted:Do you honestly have Barnett level wrestling chops? He might even have Flair level wrestling chops
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Novum posted:Do you honestly have Barnett level wrestling chops? I wanted to ask that too then i clicked the "show posts by user" button and this motherfucker seems to know his poo poo regarding wrestling so it felt disrespectful to question him 
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Novum posted:Do you honestly have Barnett level wrestling chops?
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Are you sure it's not muscle weight? Lister's neck is so thick it looks like he could go around the country to county fairs hanging himself in between tapping out random dudes from the crowd.
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Aug 21, 2014 19:25
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Sprecherscrow posted:Are you sure it's not muscle weight? Lister's neck is so thick it looks like he could go around the country to county fairs hanging himself in between tapping out random dudes from the crowd. Have him do it at the same time. Rear naked choke vs noose
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Aug 21, 2014 20:04
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Lister's Portuguese accent is hilarious
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Novum posted:Do you honestly have Barnett level wrestling chops? I forget if it was Mardragon but someone on SA is a state/national wrestling champ.
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Aug 21, 2014 20:21
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not working out is an essential part of bjj.
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You shouldn't feel disrespectful to question anything. I'm not the wrestler I once was but I'm still pretty good. I've never wrestled Barnett but I don't feel that he would outclass me in any severe way in strictly wrestling, he would crush me in catch or jiu-jitsu. The stuff he did to Dean in terms of gameplan is exactly how I roll with Dean, which I haven't done lately because of his travel schedule and my life schedule. The difference is Barnett is more savvy and didn't let pressure off of Dean, whereas I always fall for Dean's feints and eventually I get wrecked. And I promise you Dean doesn't lift weights, his natural strength and neck mass is just that, natural. It's unlike anyone I've ever seen. I think I've posted a number of times how much raw talent the dude has. He is a serious freak. He's also one of the great talents squandered, it's tragic in a way.
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Mardragon posted:He's also one of the great talents squandered, it's tragic in a way. No way, he is the fat martial arts master in that anime who is always sleepy and still kicks rear end anyway.
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david carmichael posted:not working out is an essential part of bjj. Yuns fucked around with this message at 00:50 on Aug 22, 2014 |
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Mardragon posted:You shouldn't feel disrespectful to question anything. I'm not the wrestler I once was but I'm still pretty good. I've never wrestled Barnett but I don't feel that he would outclass me in any severe way in strictly wrestling, he would crush me in catch or jiu-jitsu. The stuff he did to Dean in terms of gameplan is exactly how I roll with Dean, which I haven't done lately because of his travel schedule and my life schedule. The difference is Barnett is more savvy and didn't let pressure off of Dean, whereas I always fall for Dean's feints and eventually I get wrecked. I remember you saying that before his ADCC win in the couple of months leading up to it he'd cut his alcohol consumption back to 'only' a couple of times a week and amped up his sparring by lightly rolling a few times. I also remember posting mocking comments about Lister on here back in the day when I'd only seen him in MMA. I am contrite.
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Mardragon posted:You shouldn't feel disrespectful to question anything. I'm not the wrestler I once was but I'm still pretty good. I've never wrestled Barnett but I don't feel that he would outclass me in any severe way in strictly wrestling, he would crush me in catch or jiu-jitsu. The stuff he did to Dean in terms of gameplan is exactly how I roll with Dean, which I haven't done lately because of his travel schedule and my life schedule. The difference is Barnett is more savvy and didn't let pressure off of Dean, whereas I always fall for Dean's feints and eventually I get wrecked. I get what you're saying, but given his accomplishments it's hard to call him a squandered talent.
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Yuns posted:I know you're being facetious but I wanted to point out that most of the top level grapplers I know have training programs that are pretty sophisticated including weight lifting and cardio and many of their programs are equivalent to those of top level athletes in other sports. Some S&C guys like Martin Rooney work with a lot of grapplers and MMA fighters. Guys like Braulio, Rolles and Romulo lift and do conditioning. and yet the greatest bjj player of all time is still somehow roger gracie
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david carmichael posted:and yet the greatest bjj player of all time is still somehow roger gracie Just like soccer is the best base for MMA, looking like you just woke up from a nap all the time is the best base for BJJ.
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I'm wondering who Josh is going to face at the next metamoris
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Google Butt posted:I'm wondering who Josh is going to face at the next metamoris i thought the plan was buchecha
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david carmichael posted:and yet the greatest bjj player of all time is still somehow roger gracie "When I’m not competing, I do workouts aimed at building strength and explosiveness three times a week at most, without a lot of repetitions. With a championship coming up, I change up the kinds of workouts I do, doing more repetitions to improve my physical conditioning, setting strength and explosiveness aside."
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Google Butt posted:I'm wondering who Josh is going to face at the next metamoris ADCC Champion Roberto Cyborg 
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Does anyone have good passes for inverted guard?
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always be closing posted:ADCC Champion Roberto Cyborg Taint guard Also known as the Grumpy Grundle
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Dangersim posted:Does anyone have good passes for inverted guard? I think you really just need to maintain your balance and pull your legs out if they get entangled, be patient and ready to pass as soon as they go back to seated. But I know some people have success diving under/through the legs to north/south, or going over them into a rolling back take. That's fancy stuff A Wry Smile fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Aug 25, 2014 |
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Is there anywhere in the world wrestling gyms for hobbyists? Wrestling is an amazing sport and super fun, but it seems to be one of those things you either start at age 4 and aim for international success or you don't do it at all. Judo and sambo ar awesome, but my life is significantly bleaker for the lack of no-gi wrestling.
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Where do you live? Sometimes mma or bjj gyms have wrestling classes.
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origami posted:Where do you live? Sometimes mma or bjj gyms have wrestling classes. Finland. The local bjj gym has only one submission wrestling class in a week and the fees are extremely gigh. The local wrestlinbg gym welcomed me but there are only kids and the few adults who train are international competitors, I couldn't do anything to them in a million years. Thankfully some members of our judo club have agreed to take one or two randori in a session without a jacket. Still, you'd have to specifically train for no-gi to get the real benefits. I'm just wondering if some wrestling gyms in America have hobbyist classes. As far as I understand, wrestling's a big thing in some parts of the states, would be weird if it would only be a playground for professional atheletes.
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