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Prince John posted:I was really, really sad when I saw this interview with her a while back. I've heard that she's changed her mind due to the solidarity protests. StoneOfShame posted:Totally, its an awful bill but the DUP/SF are just going to do everything they can to avoid anything that could possibly be associated with sex work except for demonise everyone because they're terrified of alienating their religious backing. McCrea is an odd one he's a bit of a poo poo but from the one conversation I've had with him I got the impression he's one to look at academic research and make an informed decision on things instead of just going along with a party, its probably his scientific background. I wouldn't be surprised if the Alliance are getting some help from the Lib Dems on this issue; after all, they are sister parties and many people in NI who hold one party membership also hold the other's. The sort of stuff I'm hearing from Alliance MLAs is incredibly similar to stuff said at the Lib Dem Conference during the sex work motion debate. The Lib Dems also have the problem of a possible Labour/Tory stitch-up if Labour are in government next year; from what I've heard, the Shadow Cabinet are really keen on introducing the Nordic Model. Incidentally, when the Nordic model was debated in the European Parliament, it passed with PES and EPP votes, with ALDE and the Greens against. Although, awkwardly for the Lib Dems, the only Lib Dem MEP to vote for it is now the only Lib Dem MEP. TinTower fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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TinTower posted:I've heard that she's changed her mind due to the solidarity protests. Out of curiosity, I dont know a huge amount about the major parties views on the matter, is it pretty much the case that whoever wins the next general election the Nordic Model is being introduced? Not that that will really effect what happens in Northern Ireland as they will introduce legislation and SF/DUP will block anything decent. Edit:^^ In Éirígí's defense I wouldn't necessarily class them as a dissident party rather than a revolutionary socialist republican one, they had members found with arms hut there was never anything to suggest that it was supported by the party. There has always been a link in NI between the left and violent Republicanism but they are degrees, I don't support dissident violence at all (hell my ex is a Catholic PSNI officer in Derry and was in Strand road station when the bomb went off a few years ago) but Éirígí are hardly the 32CSM and Devlin is far from the likes of Gary Donnelly. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 23:12 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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StoneOfShame posted:Out of curiosity, I dont know a huge amount about the major parties views on the matter, is it pretty much the case that whoever wins the next general election the Nordic Model is being introduced? Not that that will really effect what happens in Northern Ireland as they will introduce legislation and SF/DUP will block anything decent. In their current form, the Tories won't do it without some form of prompting. Labour will almost certainly try to introduce it. The Greens oppose it on paper but Lucas supports it. The Lib Dems have the oldest pro-decriminalisation policy (dating back to 1994), re-affirming it in Glasgow two weeks ago. Said motion was pretty much passing interim policy on the Nordic model to make sure that Labour don't try to pull a fast one during coalition negotiations, with a more detailed and updated policy paper to be introduced in the near future; the current policy is really old; the current sex work policy is Paper 3, whereas the 2015 Lib Dem equality manifesto is Policy Paper 120. And yeah, I'm pretty sure David Ford was at Lib Dem Conference from what he's saying now.
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TinTower posted:In their current form, the Tories won't do it without some form of prompting. Labour will almost certainly try to introduce it. The Greens oppose it on paper but Lucas supports it. The Lib Dems have the oldest pro-decriminalisation policy (dating back to 1994), re-affirming it in Glasgow two weeks ago. Thanks for the info, have you got any good suggestions for really reading up on this I dont know anywhere near as much about this as I would like to at all. Ford is another decent bloke, he got me a lift from Stormont to south Belfast once as I'd cycled over to do some interviews for a paper and it had started to piss down in the meantime. He's also campaigned heavily within his church in favour of hay marriage which being a Presbyterian must have resulted in a fair bit of dislike towards from his church.
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Speaking of the Greens, what do you think of Hinkley C? While I obviously wish that gov would nut up and just run its own power plants rather than jumping through hoops to get private to do it whilst still footing as much of the bill as possible, I'm happy any new nuclear is getting built at all (even if it's overpriced and planned to take way longer to build than industry average). In other news, spiders are scary.
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StoneOfShame posted:He's also campaigned heavily within his church in favour of hay marriage which being a Presbyterian must have resulted in a fair bit of dislike towards from his church. (I couldn't resist)
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StoneOfShame posted:Thanks for the info, have you got any good suggestions for really reading up on this I dont know anywhere near as much about this as I would like to at all. If you're looking for academic papers, the following are very helpful:
Clause 6 stands part 81–10.
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Guavanaut posted:Next they'll be allowing people to marry horses! This is a serious thread for UK political discussion, quit horsing around. Edit: Thanks TinTower, I will read them over from a quick glance I think I may know some of the people involved in the paper from QUB from my time there, there's certainly a couple of names that stand out may give them a bell after I've read through. StoneOfShame fucked around with this message at 23:50 on Oct 20, 2014 |
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StoneOfShame posted:This is a serious thread for UK political discussion, quit horsing around.
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My mate who works at National Grid is currently and not very subtly hinting on Facebook that the Didcot fire is a Really Big Deal and if you've got the time look at the public information on demand and surplus within the grid you can see how close to the brink we are. I asked about brown outs and his response was "Ed Davey has said it won't happen and he's clearly a man who knows what he's talking about." Basically, totally hosed.
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Someone pointed out on the today program about how the grid had said we'd be fine this winter because we have 3-6gW of spare capacity but since then we've lost 4.5gW
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I'm gonna buy a camping stove and lots of candles
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Phoon posted:I'm gonna buy a camping stove and lots of candles What kind of candles?
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Bozza posted:My mate who works at National Grid is currently and not very subtly hinting on Facebook that the Didcot fire is a Really Big Deal and if you've got the time look at the public information on demand and surplus within the grid you can see how close to the brink we are. I thought we had a bunch of mothballed gas plants that had been shut down because they'd become uneconomical - in a worst case scenario, couldn't they be brought online quite quickly?
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Fluo posted:What kind of candles? http://www.waitrose.com/shop/ProductView-10317-10001-217506-essential+Waitrose+pillar+candle+ivory+medium
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Fluo posted:What kind of candles? Pine scented ones, gonna really spruce up these brownouts. Phoon fucked around with this message at 00:32 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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I can't remember the last time we had black/brownouts. I remember a few when I was small, living up at Willowbrae. That would have been the mid to late 90s?
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CoolCab posted:I don't think you're a fascist, but none of those things in any way indicate that. Not intrinsically, true, but it makes it very very loving unlikely.
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Coohoolin posted:Not intrinsically, true, but it makes it very very loving unlikely. Over 300,000 men of the Waffen-SS - more than 60% of its strength - was non-German, with volunteers stretching from Spain to India; it was probably the most ethnically-diverse army in the war. A good rootless internationalist like yourself would have been right at home there! Surely you'd support the cause of legions like the Azerbaijanis who were small countries that wanted to escape the domination of a larger partner in an unwilling union? kapparomeo fucked around with this message at 01:30 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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kapparomeo posted:it was probably the most ethnically-diverse army in the war I highly doubt this is true.
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kapparomeo posted:Over 300,000 men of the Waffen-SS - more than 60% of its strength - was non-German, with volunteers stretching from Spain to India; it was probably the most ethnically-diverse army in the war. A good rootless internationalist like yourself would have been right at home there! Coohoolin posted:As a Jewish person with three nationalities and fluency in three languages and conversational abilities in two others, I find it adorable being unironically called a fascist. What the gently caress e: Coohoolin can be obnoxious but some people here have a really unsettling obsession with his background/nationality. e2: missed the 'rootless internationalist' dig ahaha holy poo poo Crameltonian fucked around with this message at 01:59 on Oct 21, 2014 |
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kapparomeo posted:Over 300,000 men of the Waffen-SS - more than 60% of its strength - was non-German, with volunteers stretching from Spain to India; it was probably the most ethnically-diverse army in the war. A good rootless internationalist like yourself would have been right at home there! Surely you'd support the cause of legions like the Azerbaijanis who were small countries that wanted to escape the domination of a larger partner in an unwilling union? I don't know what's sadder that you wrote the original post at all or that felt it was worth going back to and editing in that "hilarious" dig about his support for Scottish independence.
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Coohoolin posted:As a Jewish person with three nationalities and fluency in three languages and conversational abilities in two others, I find it adorable being unironically called a fascist. You can be both jewish and Fascist, zionists have been doing it for over a hundred years now.
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HorseLord posted:You can be both jewish and Fascist, zionists have been doing it for over a hundred years now. Fucks sake, you can dislike Coohoolin's views on Scottish independence without calling him fascist you god damned planks! Fascism has a very specific meaning, and it's not person with ideas I don't like.
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Pesmerga posted:Fucks sake, you can dislike Coohoolin's views on Scottish independence without calling him fascist you god damned planks! Fascism has a very specific meaning, and it's not person with ideas I don't like. I wouldn't call Coohoolin a fascist either, but it's more than a little disingenuous for him to act like his being Jewish in any way deflects the accusation.
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Phoon posted:I'm gonna buy a camping stove and lots of candles LED tealights work well too, and you don't have to worry about knocking over your wax covered chianti bottles at the same time. If we do get black/brownouts, I wonder how many people are going to either self-immolate or suffocate due to using disposable bbq's e.t.c
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DesperateDan posted:LED tealights work well too, and you don't have to worry about knocking over your wax covered chianti bottles at the same time. Don't worry, I'm sure the government has already launched into action to pull together a media plan blaming any power shortages on unemployed people with 50-inch flatscreen TV's, rather than risk any blame on energy policy or planning. Obvious thing to do will be to ration electricity to those on benefits, lest any private outdoor heated swimming pools have to be turned off overnight.
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Crameltonian posted:What the gently caress He does seem to bring it up to deflect everything that gets said against him though. I mean you even quoted the post where he did that exact thing Bozza posted:My mate who works at National Grid is currently and not very subtly hinting on Facebook that the Didcot fire is a Really Big Deal and if you've got the time look at the public information on demand and surplus within the grid you can see how close to the brink we are. haha holy loving hell. Who would be in charge of deciding where the power rations get sent?
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Zero Gravitas posted:Anyone got any recommendations for where to get a good cheap laptop from that isnt Amazon? If I ask in SH/SC I'll just get a bunch of US - centric answers. These guys are great - a proper family business and I buy all my poo poo from them. Great customer service too. http://www.ginger6.com/
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Crameltonian posted:e: Coohoolin can be obnoxious but some people here have a really unsettling obsession with his background/nationality.
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The sun's out in FT-land and they don't understand why everybody's griping: http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/4c317db0-583e-11e4-a31b-00144feab7de.html#axzz3GZnrt32O quote:Look at Britain as an informed foreigner might. Here is a country that responds to a secessionist threat to its existence by holding a free and fair referendum. It has evolved an economic model that is more hospitable to business than much of Europe and kindlier to the poor than America. It cuts public spending year on year without any civil disorder to speak of. Crime is falling. Unemployment is at 6 per cent. The politicians are small-time but basically honourable. The capital city is a miracle of the modern world.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Anyone got any recommendations for where to get a good cheap laptop from that isnt Amazon? If I ask in SH/SC I'll just get a bunch of US - centric answers. Apple.
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Gorn Myson posted:I don't think people are that particularly bothered about his nationality, I think its far more likely that people use it as an easy way of riling him up and putting him down because hes a colossal tit. "People don't have any problems with him being a filthy foreigner, they just use it to rile him up" isn't the most convincing argument to me. Even if they think they don't have any problems with it the fact that pointing out he's an immigrant is their go-to insult suggests some unpleasant things about their worldview.
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Crameltonian posted:"People don't have any problems with him being a filthy foreigner, they just use it to rile him up" isn't the most convincing argument to me. He's not a foreigner, he's Scottish.
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I usually just lurk hotukdeals.com for a bit and wait for a decently highly rated laptop to come up. If you are buying apple, those always wind up scorching although they go on sale relatively infrequently. This ultrabook is pretty highly rated.
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Zero Gravitas posted:Anyone got any recommendations for where to get a good cheap laptop from that isnt Amazon? If I ask in SH/SC I'll just get a bunch of US - centric answers. I like this place: http://www.3000rpm.com/ They sell new laptops and re-purposed, upgraded old ones too. I took my laptop there when the DC jack came loose - the guy who fixed it did it for the price of the new jack and cleaned my heatsink while he was at it. An enormous cheery biker-looking fellow, he had a good laugh about the first place I took it to, where they said they'd have to strip down the motherboard and send it away for six weeks because they didn't have a soldering iron in the shop.
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Crameltonian posted:What the gently caress If he didn't bring it up all the time, people wouldnt mock it.
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