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Lemme see if I can do this in five sentences - - Yudowski thinks an AI should be able to reach backwards in time to build itself, because his understanding of AI's is that they're magical unicorn beings. - In order to do this, his AI creates a bunch of simulated earths where it tortures anyone who doesn't donate to Yudowski's - So now you're supposed to be afraid that you're a simulated person who will get tortured, so you donate to the Yud's anime fund. Three! Gee, seems like this thread could be sixty-something pages shorter.
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ThirdEmperor posted:Gee, seems like this thread could be sixty-something pages shorter. :pyf:
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Jan 3, 2015 23:44
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It's a seriously good thing that this thread is in GBS now.
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ThirdEmperor posted:Lemme see if I can do this in five sentences - There's a lot of hilarious poo poo that that's not about AI.
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i didnt click but one of the urls has "bitcoin cryonics" lol
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Okay 'Bitcoin Cryonics Fund' is inherently kind of funny. Like they want to live forever so bad but they're so so bad at long term decisions.
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ThirdEmperor posted:Lemme see if I can do this in five sentences - so basically they invented a religion backwards, they invented the Atheist Rapture first and then they made up the Atheist Old-Testament God
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Sleeveless posted:so basically they invented a religion backwards, they invented the Atheist Rapture first and then they made up the Atheist Old-Testament God no there is no atheist god, stop thinking about atheist god, oh god ITS GONNA KILL US IM SORRY ATHEIST GOD HAVE MY MONEY
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Sleeveless posted:so basically they invented a religion backwards, they invented the Atheist Rapture first and then they made up the Atheist Old-Testament God Oh yeah, and it's all laid out using old, disproved religious arguments, even. Beneath all the PFY-dumps about why, specifically, he's wrong, the Yud is actually running a full blown cult here.
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Science-fiction-ey premise: 1. AI cultists believe that evil AI god will be built in the future 2. AI cultists believe that evil AI god will be able to interact with the past and punish them 3. AI cultists believe that evil AI god will punish everyone who didn't do their best to build it 4. AI cultists try to build evil AI god Science-fiction-ey climax: 5. AI cultists eventually foiled by rival AI cult which believes that a good AI god will ALSO eventually be built, and will eternally reward everyone who worked to delay the coming of the evil AI god Ending in reality: 5. AI cultists have no idea how to build the evil AI god, donate to a foundation which also has no idea, watch in confusion as IBM builds the closest thing yet to an AI and spends the next 60 years unsuccessfully trying to make the thing spontaneously learn to tie shoelaces from first principles
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Harime Nui posted:I can't wait to see the first celeb who declares themselves a follower of Yudkowskiism or MIRology or whatever they end up calling it. How are we defining 'celebrity' here? Because Peter Thiel's a major driving force behind MIRI and Less Wrong.
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Darth Walrus posted:How are we defining 'celebrity' here? Because Peter Thiel's a major driving force behind MIRI and Less Wrong. Peter Thiel's whole thing (and indeed most of Silicon Valley's thing) is being a major driving force behind, like, seventy terrible ideas, because at least one of them will probably turn out to be successful. If I had a fuckload of money and didn't have all the AI knowledge I do, I'd give a tiny fraction of my money to MIRI too, because they're a long-odds bet, and long-odds bets are the sort of thing you can do when you're ludicrously wealthy. He would have to be insane to believe in them, but to invest? I don't think he's a True Believer. And to the guy with the Catbug avatar, I'll still make effortposts now and again, I just expect to be called a nerd a couple times afterwards.
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SolTerrasa posted:I'll still make effortposts now and again, I just expect to be called a nerd a couple times afterwards. Thats cool man you can post p much how you like around here And if someone calls you a nerd don't take it seriously
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Holy geez there's really sixty plus pages of people trying to explain that one bad post about metagaming play-pretend future cyber-extortion to each other here, that's awful, someone explain the cryonics thing to me and why these guys think they're going to freeze their brains and omnipotent future people with apparently nothing better to do will preserve them throughout infinity like the precious timeless jewels that they are.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Holy geez there's really sixty plus pages of people trying to explain that one bad post about metagaming play-pretend future cyber-extortion to each other here, that's awful, someone explain the cryonics thing to me and why these guys think they're going to freeze their brains and omnipotent future people with apparently nothing better to do will preserve them throughout infinity like the precious timeless jewels that they are.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Holy geez there's really sixty plus pages of people trying to explain that one bad post about metagaming play-pretend future cyber-extortion to each other here, that's awful, someone explain the cryonics thing to me and why these guys think they're going to freeze their brains and omnipotent future people with apparently nothing better to do will preserve them throughout infinity like the precious timeless jewels that they are. It has to be true that cryonics works otherwise death is inescapable and that's just too spooky.
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bartlebyshop posted:It has to be true that cryonics works otherwise death is inescapable and that's just too spooky. I mean I figured that I'm just curious as to the elaborate future timeline wherein your great-great-great-grandson from one generation short of the era where they finally do work out the technology to unfuck frozen dead brains from olden tymes is going to pay to keep your dead rear end on ice instead of selling it to Purina for puppy chow. I don't even keep my old VHS tapes. Like is it one of those things where the millennium is always one year off and cyber-Christ's kingdom of heaven is prophecied to arrive in our lifetimes, or do they actually have a hosed-up speculative timeline for all this nonsense like the Kurzweil guys?
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I mean I figured that I'm just curious as to the elaborate future timeline wherein your great-great-great-grandson from one generation short of the era where they finally do work out the technology to unfuck frozen dead brains from olden tymes is going to pay to keep your dead rear end on ice instead of selling it to Purina for puppy chow. I don't even keep my old VHS tapes. look, in the next 10-50 years we will learn immortality thanks to the wizards of science, then the evil ai building can begin.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Like is it one of those things where the millennium is always one year off and cyber-Christ's kingdom of heaven is prophecied to arrive in our lifetimes, or do they actually have a hosed-up speculative timeline for all this nonsense like the Kurzweil guys? More the former than the latter. A lot of them think strong/Godlike AI is happening in the next century so you wouldn't have to hope your 10xth grandkid cares about you. If modern medicine advances enough that they all live to 150 then their kid would of course want to resurrect daddy. Undoubtedly they also have some tortured logic where future generations, being more perfect utilitarians, will want to resurrect the frozen dead to increase overall utilons. If you want to read an actual good story about cryonics and why no one in the future will care about your dead self, try Bridesicle(PDF warning).
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I mean I figured that I'm just curious as to the elaborate future timeline wherein your great-great-great-grandson from one generation short of the era where they finally do work out the technology to unfuck frozen dead brains from olden tymes is going to pay to keep your dead rear end on ice instead of selling it to Purina for puppy chow. I don't even keep my old VHS tapes. Oh that's simple. gently caress you got mine, no inheritance, all their superior rationalist fortunes go into keeping them frozen and 'researching' AI.
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What would suck is if some kind of global catastrophe occurred that destroyed civilization/infrastructure/technology/etc because along with all the other hardships you just know these guys would be like "We were so close! So close to peace forever!" and people would believe them.
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I predict that in the next 20 years someone is going to invent an absolutely incredible Jetson's remake about our eternal monarchist holodeck bitcoin future where Zynga has cured death.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I mean I figured that I'm just curious as to the elaborate future timeline wherein your great-great-great-grandson from one generation short of the era where they finally do work out the technology to unfuck frozen dead brains from olden tymes is going to pay to keep your dead rear end on ice instead of selling it to Purina for puppy chow. I don't even keep my old VHS tapes. people who are into cryogenics and are wealthy tend to set up trusts so that their freezing can be funded in perpetuity. though some people do just assume their families will pay to have their corpses needlessly frozen forever, yes.
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OK being indolent hyperrich and using all your money to turn yourself into an eternal ice mummy I can understand, they're just bitching out on having their wives and servants cryogenically preserved alive alongside them and that's fine, for losers.
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Know what's real fun and cool? Not being rich but doing cryo anyways by funding it with life insurace.
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I bet you're paying for your army of terra cotta warriors with welfare money too, aren't you?
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My bitcoin rig was bought with welfare money, yes.
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:I bet you're paying for your army of terra cotta warriors with welfare money too, aren't you? Don't compare cryonics to terra cotta warriors! Cryonics is far less empirically supported.
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Moddington posted:Know what's real fun and cool? Not being rich but doing cryo anyways by funding it with life insurace.
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Nessus posted:How does that work, exactly You get your insurance payout, which is probably more than the 80,000$ it costs to do full body cryo, and then you start the procedure. This is rather a big problem with the whole thing, because by the time the insurance cuts your cheque you may have been dead for a while. They have a bunch of schemes to keep your body as cold as possible or forward the death certificate extremely quickly or get a short-term loan or whatever but basically it requires you to believe in the future we will be able to reliably revivify 3 day old corpses.
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bartlebyshop posted:but basically it requires you to believe in the future we will be able to reliably revivify 3 day old corpses. I wonder if they've ever seen the survival rates of cardiac arrest, because holy poo poo, right now getting a 2-minute old, otherwise healthy corpse back is like winning the loving lotto.
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Ugly In The Morning posted:I wonder if they've ever seen the survival rates of cardiac arrest, because holy poo poo, right now getting a 2-minute old, otherwise healthy corpse back is like winning the loving lotto. yeah and unfortunately we've reached the pinnacle of medical science, especially neurology and it's all downhill from here
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Robo Reagan posted:yeah and unfortunately we've reached the pinnacle of medical science, especially neurology and it's all downhill from here Farrrrrrrtttttt
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Robo Reagan posted:yeah and unfortunately we've reached the pinnacle of medical science, especially neurology and it's all downhill from here I think the number of people who have come back from being dead for three days is at zero (one case is highly disputed)
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To be fair, you can get hours under ideal circumstances. Falling into super cold water is the most reversible way to die.
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SolTerrasa posted:Peter Thiel's whole thing (and indeed most of Silicon Valley's thing) is being a major driving force behind, like, seventy terrible ideas, because at least one of them will probably turn out to be successful. If I had a fuckload of money and didn't have all the AI knowledge I do, I'd give a tiny fraction of my money to MIRI too, because they're a long-odds bet, and long-odds bets are the sort of thing you can do when you're ludicrously wealthy. Thiel is a devout Rondroid who once wrote a book called 'The Diversity Myth' whining about how minorities sometimes got to say stuff on Stanford University campus, funnels a lot of money into having kids leave school early so they can become captains of industry, and was responsible for this Cato Institute essay. quote:As one fast-forwards to 2009, the prospects for a libertarian politics appear grim indeed. Exhibit A is a financial crisis caused by too much debt and leverage, facilitated by a government that insured against all sorts of moral hazards — and we know that the response to this crisis involves way more debt and leverage, and way more government. Those who have argued for free markets have been screaming into a hurricane. The events of recent months shatter any remaining hopes of politically minded libertarians. For those of us who are libertarian in 2009, our education culminates with the knowledge that the broader education of the body politic has become a fool’s errand. That's the right mindset for a Less Wronger, and the sheer amount of ink he's spilled over the Singularity suggests that yep, he' a true believer.
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Nessus posted:Yes, yes, they'll invent magical stuff yeah and unfortunately we've reached the pinnacle of medical science, especially neurology and it's all downhill from here
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