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Hiro Protagonist posted:So, as someone who read that without thinking, whose only read the first book, and plans to read the rest, how hosed am I? Just forget what you read. There is a *lot* of context built into that spoiler that you don't know about yet, so if you're able to ignore and forget it then you'll be fine.
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# ? Jul 2, 2015 02:50 |
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# ? Jun 1, 2024 04:27 |
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Fair enough, I just have a terrible history with remembering spoilers. Like, I heard a spoiler for the Final Empire's ending years before hand, and I couldn't forget it.
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# ? Jul 2, 2015 03:25 |
Hiro Protagonist posted:Fair enough, I just have a terrible history with remembering spoilers. Like, I heard a spoiler for the Final Empire's ending years before hand, and I couldn't forget it. I suggest learning to enjoy the change from enjoying not knowing where things will go to enjoying spotting how they get there. That's what I did, and now I don't have to give a poo poo about spoilers!
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# ? Jul 2, 2015 11:49 |
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Tunicate posted:The pits of hathsin were supposed to take 300 years to regenerate. WHY DO YOU PAY SUCH CLOSE ATTENTION? But seriously, that can't be a coincidence.
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# ? Jul 2, 2015 15:57 |
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Tunicate posted:The pits of hathsin were supposed to take 300 years to regenerate. The reason for Atium existing doesn't exist anymore though so if it's there now it's for an entirely different reason. Namely Sazed decided that for the sake of balance atium still should form because it lets him balance out any excess Ruin with the Preservation in humanity. Though as Harmony I imagine he has full control over both things and that it would take something on a god-like level, namely another shard itself, to shatter Harmony back in to Ruin and Preservation. Sazed was beyond careful in his actions and "oh whoops guess I let this godly material just show up again" would be very unlike him as Harmony. Not to mention if the Kandra still exist in any form, or were remade in some way, they might be back to acting as collectors and keepers of it. Hiro Protagonist posted:So, as someone who read that without thinking, whose only read the first book, and plans to read the rest, how hosed am I? It's still a good read despite that poster being a massive dick. I had someone spoil the "Young Griff" thing before I got to A Dance With Dragons and it sucked but didn't make the book any worse (or better ).
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# ? Jul 3, 2015 07:46 |
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Book that's spoiled by knowing its ending (basically book that you're reading just to finish it) is not worth reading anyway. Sanderson is close to such author (and actually Elantris is such book, Warbreaker comes close too), but there's plenty of interesting stuff (other than dadjokes) along the way too, especially if you enjoy the cosmere and 'magic physics' stuff
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# ? Jul 5, 2015 17:04 |
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Elantris wasn't really just about the ending. There were a lot of relationships that were built, and themes communicated other than the non obvious ending. Sanderson does have a lot of non obvious outcomes in his books, but that does not mean his books are a journey to the end. Elantris was one of his first books, and in my opinion probably his worst in comparison to his other works, but it is still more than its ending. I like that Sanderson puts in the non obvious ending. Something that I've come to terms with in most fantasy novels is that there will be a happy-ish ending (with some exclusions) putting a bit of a twist in that a reader could figure out while reading, which I actively try to do when reading sanderson is an added bonus, not a detraction from the value of the work.
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# ? Jul 6, 2015 23:24 |
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Someone compared crime/mystery/thriller books to watching a clockwork that's slowly ticking until it stops, and Elantris made me feel that too. Ok, there's some decent religious commentary but mostly it's a big magic system mystery clockwork.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 16:48 |
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I feel compelled to link again to tor.com (I'm not paid by them, I swear!), because they try to reason out how to use Allomancy to create FTL travel: http://www.tor.com/2015/07/07/how-can-we-use-mistborns-allomancy-to-travel-faster-than-light/ quote:In the fantasy world of Brandon Sanderson’s Mistborn book series, magic users known as Allomancers, Feruchemists, and Hemalurgists can bounce themselves back and forth between metals, store their own luck away for a rainy day, or (bloodily) steal these powers away from others. In the first Mistborn trilogy, the characters with these powers make war in a somewhat Victorian setting and not once does an Allomancer think “what if I propelled myself so far and so fast that I left this entire planet entirely and visited another star system?” It gets very technical very soon, which I really liked. I'm wondering if it's people from Scadrial that visit the natives in Sixth of the Dust? The third method the article proposes doesn't sound implausible. It will probably something else entirely, some insane combination of several world's magical system. Both Ferruchemy and Hemalurgy seem to have the potential to give other world's magic powers to a person from Scadrial, so I wonder what kind of insane shenanigans you could come up with if you are both a Ferruchemist and can use Awakening? On that note, can anybody get Breaths from the people on Nalthis? In any case, what could an awakened Metalmind do with it's stored power? The possibility of combining the different magics of the Cosmere could create really amazing results.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:25 |
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There's like a half dozen unknown metals that Harmony added to the whole system, so honestly it isn't worth thinking about that hard. It's probably one of them. Edit: Never mind the fourth magic system that they use on the other continent.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:48 |
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Well, it seems like Hoid has some amount of Breaths as he intimates that he has prefect pitch when he's visiting Kaladin in jail. So anyone can get them but only people native to Nalthis generate them. So you probably don't need to hemalurgically steal them.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 17:55 |
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Torrannor posted:It will probably something else entirely, some insane combination of several world's magical system. It's probably related to the shardpools. Sanderson confirmed that the one in Elantris (where Elantrians go to "die") and the one in Stormlight (in the Horneater peaks) are related. Rock tells a story of seeing a "God" walk out of the pool ( (on second thought, not Hoid because Rock would recognize him as Wit) JagGator fucked around with this message at 18:58 on Jul 7, 2015 |
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I wonder if the shard pools will become the simple key to cross planet transportation. If you can will yourself to not dissolve in them you could probably will yourself into any other shardpool.
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 19:37 |
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JagGator posted:It's probably related to the shardpools. Sanderson confirmed that the one in Elantris (where Elantrians go to "die") and the one in Stormlight (in the Horneater peaks) are related. Rock tells a story of seeing a "God" walk out of the pool ( Nah it was hoid but while he wasn't in disguise. Torrannor posted:I feel compelled to link again to tor.com (I'm not paid by them, I swear!), because they try to reason out how to use Allomancy to create FTL travel: Brandon's given a couple hints (it involves timebubbles somehow), but has also said "you don't have enough information to figure it out, and I'm not going to reveal that yet"
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# ? Jul 7, 2015 22:05 |
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Torrannor posted:I feel compelled to link again to tor.com (I'm not paid by them, I swear!), because they try to reason out how to use Allomancy to create FTL travel:
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 01:32 |
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DarkHorse posted:Ugh the author gets a lot of physics very wrong and completely misunderstands relativity in their explanation and I am oddly upset at their errors getting into my fantasy physics I laughed at this part: quote:E=mc²
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 02:11 |
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Yo dawg, I heard you like the speed of light, so we multiplied the speed of light with the speed of light so you can go the speed of light while you go the speed of light.
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# ? Jul 8, 2015 03:28 |
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First look at Calamity: http://io9.com/first-look-at-the-final-chapter-in-brandon-sandersons-s-1716348338 The jarring first metaphor in a new Reckoners story, before you remember that that's a thing, is always a joy.
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 05:20 |
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What's the deal with the fake swearing in Steelheart? The book opens with a shitload of people being disintegrated but characters have to say "slontze" instead of poo poo?
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 22:01 |
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fadam posted:What's the deal with the fake swearing in Steelheart? The book opens with a shitload of people being disintegrated but characters have to say "slontze" instead of poo poo? Young Adult
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 22:09 |
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mewse posted:Young Adult Mormon Author
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 22:38 |
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fadam posted:What's the deal with the fake swearing in Steelheart? The book opens with a shitload of people being disintegrated but characters have to say "slontze" instead of poo poo? They do it in Stormlight Archives ("Storms") and Mistborn, too. ("Rust and Ruin")
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 23:29 |
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He does that in all of his books, it just stands out more in Steelheart and the like because it's more of a contemporary setting.
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 23:43 |
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I posted about it in here before but the reckoners books struck me as way more young adult than other stuff that was supposedly young adult like wheel of time, because of stuff like the protagonist angrily saying "I'm not a nerd!!"
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# ? Jul 9, 2015 23:59 |
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mewse posted:I posted about it in here before but the reckoners books struck me as way more young adult than other stuff that was supposedly young adult like wheel of time, because of stuff like the protagonist angrily saying "I'm not a nerd!!" WoT came before YA became a huge "thing" thanks to Harry Potter. Lines between YA and general fantasy were much more blurry in the 80s. Today it seems like there's a much more distinct market with less blur between YA and adult. Then again WoT has plenty of genre swearing as well. Plus vague sex references rather than an avoidance altogether.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 01:55 |
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Lobsterpillar posted:They do it in Stormlight Archives ("Storms") and Mistborn, too. ("Rust and Ruin") Mistborn characters say drat and hell as well, though. Even though it doesn't really fit the setting.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 05:17 |
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mewse posted:I posted about it in here before but the reckoners books struck me as way more young adult than other stuff that was supposedly young adult like wheel of time, because of stuff like the protagonist angrily saying "I'm not a nerd!!" In what kind of universe is the Wheel of Time young adult?
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 05:45 |
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Torrannor posted:In what kind of universe is the Wheel of Time young adult?
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 08:38 |
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As someone who was born in '80 and frequented libraries, book stores, and game shops with YA fantasy sections...Susan Cooper, CS Lewis, and Madeleine L'engle are examples of YA fantasy authors who had stuff out back then. Stuff like the D&D books (Dragonlance, FR, etc.) was maybe a bit more ambiguous but WoT was definitely considered a grown-up series by the librarians and book store owners. I snagged WoT books 1-3 on recommendation from an older cousin because buying/borrowing "adult" fantasy blind was a good way to end up with embarrassing soft core porn back then.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 14:51 |
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The Tripods was also a pretty good YA series, it felt very Hunger Games-esque.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 18:11 |
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aparmenideanmonad posted:As someone who was born in '80 and frequented libraries, book stores, and game shops with YA fantasy sections...Susan Cooper, CS Lewis, and Madeleine L'engle are examples of YA fantasy authors who had stuff out back then. I was born in '81 and until reading your post I had no idea there were YA sections in bookstores when we were young. I totally thought that was a recent thing. I'd consider the Shannara series YA stuff, and in junior high I always found those in the general Fantasy section. I read A Wrinkle in Time and A Swiftly Tilting Planet somewhere around 4th grade; maybe YA back then was more heavily tilted toward the Y so I didn't look twice at it as a teen.
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# ? Jul 10, 2015 23:50 |
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mallamp posted:especially if you enjoy the cosmere On this note, as someone who has read a few Sanderson books (Mistborn trilogy / Warbreaker / Elantris) but was unaware of this cosmere thing: Is there somewhere I can get a good explanation/summary of it along with recommended additional reading?
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 01:06 |
its HIM posted:On this note, as someone who has read a few Sanderson books (Mistborn trilogy / Warbreaker / Elantris) but was unaware of this cosmere thing: Is there somewhere I can get a good explanation/summary of it along with recommended additional reading? Basically, all of Sanderson's worlds, except those on variants of Earth, exist in the same universe. Like you could, if you had a spaceship, fly through outer space from Roshar (Stormlight) to Scadriel (Mistborn). Of course, you'd need some kind of FTL to get there in anything less than hundreds of years. But you could do it! All the magic on all the worlds comes from 'shards' of a god that was broken somehow. So they can all, in theory, work together somehow. It's common speculation that you could steal the ability to use stormlight using hemalurgy, for example. Some people have found methods of traveling between worlds. A guy named Hoid appears in most (if not all) novels in the Cosmere. Sometimes by name, often not. The guy is everywhere. And he may be up to no good. Some people in Stormlight 1 (in the Purelake interlude) are looking for him. They're also worldhoppers. The rabbit hole is only as deep as you want it to be. You don't really need to know any of this to enjoy the books. Eventually he's going to write some crazy set of novels that really tie it all together, but for now, it's mostly little nods to this or that. Sometimes you get something blatant like Hoid or another character showing up. There's a lot of info on the 17th shard website. http://www.17thshard.com/
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 01:19 |
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Having gone through Stormlight and Mistborn (and alloy) would reading Warbreaker and Elantris be worth it or would they, particularly Elantris, come across as not that good?
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 02:25 |
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Evil Fluffy posted:Having gone through Stormlight and Mistborn (and alloy) would reading Warbreaker and Elantris be worth it or would they, particularly Elantris, come across as not that good? Definitely read Warbreaker. Elantris isn't terrible, but isn't great. Emperor's soul is fantastic though.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 02:31 |
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Yeah, it depends on how much of Sanderson's particulars annoys or charms you. His writing is definitely a bit rougher in his early books. If you're interested in tracking how his style has changed over time, it's definitely interesting in that regard. Agreeing that Emperors's Soul (set in the same world as Elantris but in a distant and unrelated section) is great.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 02:35 |
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Tunicate posted:Definitely read Warbreaker. Elantris isn't terrible, but isn't great. Emperor's soul is fantastic though. I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that Elantris is getting cleaned up and re-released for its ten year anniversary. Who knows what it will be fixing though, maybe not much. I like the book even though it can be rough around the edges. Hrthen is still one of my favorite Sanderson charecters and his story arc in the book is pretty badass.
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# ? Jul 11, 2015 16:29 |
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Cartoon Man posted:I think it was mentioned earlier in the thread that Elantris is getting cleaned up and re-released for its ten year anniversary. Who knows what it will be fixing though, maybe not much. I like the book even though it can be rough around the edges. Hrthen is still one of my favorite Sanderson charecters and his story arc in the book is pretty badass.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 22:12 |
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Hrathen shows better characterization than most of the characters in his later books, for that matter. I sort of suspect this is because it's an early book and he spends less time sperging out about the precise mechanics of the magic system and so has more room for things like that.
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# ? Jul 12, 2015 23:18 |
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There's a short interview with Brandon from Comic Con here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGH9i3jGBbE
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# ? Jul 13, 2015 04:18 |