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Chamot is some kind of frog or toad I think? Would fit for swamps. Flamie has a flower looking thing on her head, but that's not an animal. Other than that I can't tell. Maura doesn't seem to have one as far as I can make out. Kylra fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Aug 17, 2015 |
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Chamot is a frog for sure, Flamie is a porcupine, and Maura is a gorilla. I've said too much  .
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Aug 17, 2015 01:35
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Flamie would be a cute hedgehog, instead of porcupine
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Aug 17, 2015 01:37
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I wanted an animal that had a thorny exterior and a projectile attack, so I went porcupine.
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Aug 17, 2015 02:08
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Flamie's "Animal" motif actually being a flower fits pretty well considering she's the odd one out, part-fiend and all. Flowers can be beautiful, but there are several that will hurt you if you get too close.
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Aug 17, 2015 07:51
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flamie is Garlic Mustard
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Aug 17, 2015 08:35
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It's interesting that they don't just spend the centuries between awakenings digging elaborate tunnels so the Braves can safely travel without getting intercepted and allow civilians to evacuate.
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Aug 17, 2015 17:03
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's interesting that they don't just spend the centuries between awakenings digging elaborate tunnels so the Braves can safely travel without getting intercepted and allow civilians to evacuate. Society as a whole isn't really good at long term planning.
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Aug 17, 2015 18:10
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Well, they aren't that advanced tech wise. Flamie's gun is unheard of because they've been able to get cannons to work, but haven't been able to miniaturize them to guns at all. We haven't seen anything akin to even a steam engine. Adlet has the most advanced combat tech in the world and it boils down to caltrops, hidden knives, poison darts, and low-yield explosives. So it really would come down to just a bunch of people with shovels, and they may not know enough to be able to build supports that would keep the tunnels from collapsing, at least at that sort of scale. I'm sure they've been able to build mines, but that's simpler. Of course, you do have various Saints who could move vast amounts of earth regularly or create permanent structures that aid in tunnels, so they probably could create some pretty good tunnels if they put their mind to it, just nowhere near as simply as modern society does. The bigger problem in my mind is that you'd need to get multiple nations on the same page, and convince each of them that the tunnels are only going to be used to defend against the fiends. It's hard to imagine everyone getting on board with a spiderweb of tunnels underneath them that could be used for all sorts of nefarious purposes. It's not quite like trying to get France and Germany to agree to a similar system before or after WW2, but it's close. At a political level the fiends are a bit like climate change. Everyone agrees it's a threat or issue, but there are varying responses to it. The king of the country near the demon continent set up the fog temple and has his army at the fort, but we haven't seen all the armies of the world unite to escort braves or try to kill fiends as they exit demon territory. This is most likely because they're concerned with protecting their own countries. With the braves always appearing to help, I think everyone's gotten complacent.
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Aug 17, 2015 19:49
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Raenir Salazar posted:It's interesting that they don't just spend the centuries between awakenings digging elaborate tunnels so the Braves can safely travel without getting intercepted and allow civilians to evacuate.
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Aug 17, 2015 22:35
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Why don't they take a boat.
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Presumably the idea is that as the fiends move East, the braves march West to counter them. Taking a boat might get them to demon god faster, but then you've got a bunch of fiends running loose, sweeping East.
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Aug 18, 2015 01:07
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Or they could just destroy the landbridge.
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Aug 18, 2015 01:15
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Demon territory is basically inaccessible via boat because there are high cliffs/mountains all around. Maybe some Saints could figure something out, I mean Maura's the saint of mountains so there you go, but they just kind of don't consider it. A common theme throughout the LN is fiends being more inventive than humans, the human plan is basically march Braves down the traditional path and go beat the end boss. There isn't much known about demon territory either, they have general names for areas and a sense of direction but no detailed maps. Destroying the only entrance isn't really a solution, once the Demon God revives it's game over, it doesn't really need a straight land path to kill humanity. If anything, the Fiends ought to have destroyed the bridge/set up huge impassible obstacles in its path a long time ago.
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NowonSA posted:Hmm, alright. Give me the full theory once the season's wrapped up So this episode didn't reveal enough for me to go into further detail on my theory though it looks like it could be moving in that direction. I think at this point it's clear that I'm referring to Chamot since she and Flamie are the only ones whose past could lead to revenge. Not to mention that Chamot makes no attempt to hide her desire to torture and kill Flamie. Before this episode, a flaw I realized about my theory is why Chamot would go through such elaborate measures for revenge. At first I thought she would have done it to avoid Maura's scorn if she killed a fellow Brave (before it was revealed there was a fake) and tried to use this opportunity to paint Flamie as a traitor and justify killing her. However, this whole trap was set into motion by the fiends attempting to bomb out the temple so some coordination with the fiends would have been necessary. But after seeing how persuasive fiends can be, I can see them taking advantage of her grudge against Flamie and convince her to trap the braves. Or the fiends were legitimately trying to destroy the temple and Chamot, being a creepy, scary child that she is, took advantage of that to put her haphazardous plan into motion. Now that she is allowed to roam free, I can see her try to make her move against Flamie. I don't even think she even needs to separate her from Maura (but probably will to make things easier) as she only needs to kill Flamie and coincide her death with the dispelling of the barrier as her yet to be disclosed power allows her to remotely activate and deactivate the barrier. Even if Flamie was a legitimate brave and their marks lose a petal, I could see Chamot claim that Flamie was a traitor regardless and everything Flamie said was a lie because she was the one who trapped everyone else in the barrier. It's almost brilliant. As for how Chamot remotely activated the barrier, I'll just say that her title as the Saint of the Swamp barely describes what she is really capable of. It's going to be a sight to behold.  Of course, there is still the question of who is the fake brave since this scenario doesn't depend on the culprit or the target being the fake. Edward IV fucked around with this message at 03:17 on Aug 18, 2015 |
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NowonSA posted:Destroying the only entrance isn't really a solution, once the Demon God revives it's game over, it doesn't really need a straight land path to kill humanity. If anything, the Fiends ought to have destroyed the bridge/set up huge impassible obstacles in its path a long time ago. Demons cannot move over the ocean. Probably because of the salt (they must have high blood pressure or something). They can only come over through the land bridge. The demon god is apparently the same. If you dig up the landbridge then the peninsula becomes an island and they can't leave. Demon god revives and spends the rest of forever on its island pouting. These are my campaign promises for President of Rokka.
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Pavlov posted:Demons cannot move over the ocean. Probably because of the salt (they must have high blood pressure or something). They can only come over through the land bridge. The demon god is apparently the same. If you dig up the landbridge then the peninsula becomes an island and they can't leave. Demon god revives and spends the rest of forever on its island pouting. These are my campaign promises for President of Rokka. Well some of them can fly.
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Well if they can fly over the ocean then the show shouldn't say demons can't cross over the ocean. Alternatively: When was the last time a president came through on all their campaign promises?
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President Pavlov gonna build a big wall across the border to keep those fiends out.
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And the Demon God will pay for it. Trust me.
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just sink the entire peninsula you got 1000 years thats plenty of time
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I'm just judging Demon God's abilities by the fact that it's been depicted as an endless swarm of tentacles that are like 20 stories tall. I'll campaign against Pavlov on an "I know everything, except for the times when I'm 100% wrong" platform. For real though, with something like 80+ Saints they really should have been able to put their abilities to better, lasting use than just a crazy fog temple. Like, the temple is impressive as hell at first blush, then you start wondering why every village doesn't have at least some Salt Pillar protection when there have probably been 15-20 separate Salt Saints. It's not like they even need to do it for free, I'm sure people would pay a bunch for anti-demon pillars.
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Not every Salt Saint is born equal.
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Salt doesn't just grow on trees.
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I could be wrong on this, I'm really loving bad with science.
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NowonSA posted:then you start wondering why every village doesn't have at least some Salt Pillar protection when there have probably been 15-20 separate Salt Saints. It's not like they even need to do it for free, I'm sure people would pay a bunch for anti-demon pillars.
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Jackard posted:All the worldbuilding is just setup for a dumb game of Werewolf and anything else didn't have any thought put into it It's great
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It is such a weird setup for a mystery show and it makes me happy
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Jackard posted:All the worldbuilding is just setup for a dumb game of Werewolf and anything else didn't have any thought put into it I kind of agree. LN Vol 01 spoilers The way the barrier was described was: When you get close to the edge, you somehow get turned around so you can't actually leave. It sounds like the powers of the Illusion Saint should be enough to accomplish that. Yet, they used Illusion, Fog, Salt and Seals. Why? Because there wouldn't be a mystery otherwise. Without the fog, the problem of when the barrier was activated wouldn't exist. Without the salt pillars, fiends become possible culprits/accomplices. Without the seal, you couldn't have a locked room mystery. It really feels like the mystery was there first, then the world was built around that.
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Jackard posted:All the worldbuilding is just setup for a dumb game of Werewolf and anything else didn't have any thought put into it Did they even have the mesoamerican theme in the LN? It's like the only reason I decided to watch this in the first place.
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Pavlov posted:Did they even have the mesoamerican theme in the LN? It's like the only reason I decided to watch this in the first place.
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Pavlov posted:Did they even have the mesoamerican theme in the LN? It's like the only reason I decided to watch this in the first place. Not that I could recall, the LN's focus is definitely on dialog/minor scene building. I didn't read the first chapter or so though, so who knows, maybe it's all deep meso-american iconography in there.
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I should have realized with all the names being european. Why couldn't we have an anime where Nahuatl kidnaps Ichtaca after being accused traitor by Moyolehuani?
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Pavlov posted:Did they even have the mesoamerican theme in the LN? It's like the only reason I decided to watch this in the first place. none of the locations are described in more detail than "forest" or "stone temple" so all of it is just a really nice addition by the anime staff.
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Pavlov posted:I should have realized with all the names being european. Why couldn't we have an anime where Nahuatl kidnaps Ichtaca after being accused traitor by Moyolehuani? What, like Nazca?
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Aug 18, 2015 23:59
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Well Adlet is an inuit Half Dog thing.
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mr meowzers posted:What, like Nazca? That's just a bunch of japanese cosplaying as incans.
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Pavlov posted:That's just a bunch of japanese cosplaying as incans. I feel like there's a lifestyle joke in there somewhere, but I'm feeling terribly lazy.
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I'll be leaving on vacation in a few days and won't be back until the start of September. If anyone has LN questions while I'm away Dogsicle can probably answer them without going into a multiple paragraph response like I tend to do. There should be at least one cool fight per episode until the end of the season, so if all the talking in the show and theorizing in this thread hasn't been your cup of tea, stick with it because it's all explosions, sword fights and saint superpowers from here on out. Be sure to tell your friends about this fine anime as well, I feed off of Rokka theories like a forum vampire and I'll need fresh blood when I return.
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