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Fojar38 posted:On further analysis it all seems to lead back to this Counterpunch article that cites no sources, claims 10,000 Chinese troops are going to be stationed at the base, and that the US is planning a coup in Djibouti to keep the base. It's largely only been reported by private intelligence firms, not the public media, which is why you're not finding anything. The original report is from May here (you need to pay for it), but what that article states is that sources claim the base is ultimately projected to have 10,000 men and that America might be kicked out. There have been further developments in the meanwhile which make the latter eventuality rather unlikely. China has definitely secured a military base in Djibouti either way though. e: It's been reported in The Diplomat, which notes that official sources haven't said anything and emphasises that the 'kicking the Americans out' thing only applies to Obock which isn't the main US base. e2: Actually the stuff I read at the time seemed pretty confident that China had secured a military base but according to the Diplomat thing the official channels have apparently refused to confirm it 
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sincx posted:That seems fairly uncharacteristic for China to want a base in Africa of all places. China is not good at power projection, and they already have their hands full keeping their bases in the Himalayas and the South China Sea operational. They want to project power into the Indian Ocean. Yes, India is pissed off about this and actively building up its forces as well as starting to abandon its traditional neutrality for closer ties to the US. What do you mean "China sucks at diplomacy."
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sincx posted:That seems fairly uncharacteristic for China to want a base in Africa of all places. China is not good at power projection, and they already have their hands full keeping their bases in the Himalayas and the South China Sea operational. Fojar38 posted:They want to project power into the Indian Ocean. That doesn't befit China's self-image as a great power if it has to rely on other countries to bail its people out of trouble. China was very, very insistent on rescuing its own people with its navy from Yemen recently. It's also more of a political necessity. If Chinese citizens are stranded, taken hostage or harmed, then that would be a nightmare for China's leaders.
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Yeah because mainlanders are gonna find out about it LOL.
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sincx posted:That seems fairly uncharacteristic for China to want a base in Africa of all places. China is not good at power projection, and they already have their hands full keeping their bases in the Himalayas and the South China Sea operational. China loves its bases in Africa. Why bribe export officials when you can export ivory from your own naval bases?
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sincx posted:That seems fairly uncharacteristic for China to want a base in Africa of all places. China is not good at power projection, and they already have their hands full keeping their bases in the Himalayas and the South China Sea operational. China wants to do to Africa what Europe/America did to Asia.
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Spacewolf posted:The US? To quote Chris Hedges: "corporate coup d'etat in slow-motion."
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Please don't bring up China's own troubled history with foreign bases on its soil or refusal to allow even the Soviet Union to have a base during the height of Sino-Soviet cooperation, that would cause some Hurt Feelings
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Arglebargle III posted:Yeah because mainlanders are gonna find out about it LOL. There's also the added benefit where Chinese warships start rescuing non-Chinese who need bailing out too. So you're a worker who was wiring up telecom in Yemen before it imploded and ... thank god a rescue! Oh what the hell a CHINESE ship? *Deng Xiaoping's face suddenly appears in the sky to booming propaganda music*
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A GIANT PARSNIP posted:China wants to do to Africa what Europe/America did to Asia. China wants to do to Africa what Europe/America did to Africa. My Imaginary GF posted:China loves its bases in Africa. Why bribe export officials when you can export ivory from your own naval bases? To be fair, China's actually got a good record on clamping down on ivory trade. It's one of the issues where they are on the right side.
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People illegally transporting ivory takes up valuabe cargo space that could be used for tiger penises.
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Parkingtigers posted:To be fair, China's actually got a good record on clamping down on ivory trade. It's one of the issues where they are on the right side. Traditional Chinese Medicine and Chinese FYGM'ism has never been on the right side of conservationism. MrNemo posted:People illegally transporting ivory takes up valuabe cargo space that could be used for tiger penises. From what I've heard, ivory is mostly via cargo containers or 224 flights, while tigerdick is just flown out. My Imaginary GF fucked around with this message at 02:49 on Aug 28, 2015 |
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Fojar38 posted:They want to project power into the Indian Ocean. Sri Lanka's kinda-sorta renegotiating their secondary-port deal with China. Original deal was, China finances the whole goddamn thing, and retains control and borderline-sovereignty over a chunk of it. Okay, fine, fair enough - but thing is, SL traditionally has an enormous bug up its rear end over locally staffed and locally administered stuff (which China is humoring in a related deal with a satellite control facility, incidentally!). So one of the highest-profile enterprises of the new coalition/presidency has been to figure out an angle where A) China still foots most of the bill, because frankly, the port's pretty necessary, but B) it's as Sri Lankan as possible. I doubt this whole sequence of events is all that important to China's operations in Africa, but it does corroborate "China is intensely interested in the Indian Ocean in general".
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My Imaginary GF posted:Traditional Chinese Medicine and Chinese FYGM'ism has never been on the right side of conservationism. 224 flight?
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Jumpingmanjim posted:224 flight? 224lo.ru Check out some of their regularly scheduled flightpaths, and where 224-marked planes get recorded to/from in E Africa on some of the flight trackers or Russian flight tracking communities.
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Wow we are off to a nice start with 2% in the green.
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Shadoer posted:Wow we are off to a nice start with 2% in the green. Wait, did China swap colors again? Is green good MWF and bad T&Th?
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Sorry guys, market crash has been postponed til after the parade on September 3. Report back on the 4th for more of that financial carnage you know and love.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Wait, did China swap colors again? Is green good MWF and bad T&Th? Green is back to good. We are in the positives.
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Having the first day of school being in August is a travesty and the leader of the MOE should be fired. E: hmm, took me a day to realize this post is in the wrong topic GoutPatrol fucked around with this message at 06:30 on Sep 1, 2015 |
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My first day is tomorrow, finally Hong Kong's EDB does something not dumb
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Yes, not dumb if not dumb is starting term then immediately having a propaganda holiday
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HBar posted:Meanwhile here's what Obock actually looks like: So Mos Eisley with a beachfront.
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Shadoer posted:Green is back to good. We are in the positives. God drat it China just pick two colours and stick to them. Next week they'll probably have the shares going up flash green then red, and the shares going down flash red then green.
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dr_rat posted:God drat it China just pick two colours and stick to them. Or just cycle everything through random colors. Journalists who are having epileptic seizures cannot spread vile rumors!
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Random question about eating in China: Is there tipping?
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No tipping. Just stuff your face with amazing things and get out.
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My Imaginary GF posted:Random question about eating in China: Is there tipping? Not really, and people generally don't know how to react to it. The only places I've seen tip widely accepted is in foreign-run or staffed places
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Grand Fromage posted:No tipping. Just stuff your face with amazing things and get out. Are there local variations on dumplings? I know a chick from Qingdao who just loves her loving dumplings and goes on about how the dumplings of Shandong Province are the best dumplings in all of China.
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Yes. And every Chinese person says their local X is the best one in China. I've yet to encounter anyone in Asia at large who has the kind of "yeah my hometown and/or state is an irredeemable dump and I'm glad I split" mentality that like 90% of Americans I know share.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yes. And every Chinese person says their local X is the best one in China. I've yet to encounter anyone in Asia at large who has the kind of "yeah my hometown and/or state is an irredeemable dump and I'm glad I split" mentality that like 90% of Americans I know share. They could use a healthy dose of it though, by god.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yes. And every Chinese person says their local X is the best one in China. I've yet to encounter anyone in Asia at large who has the kind of "yeah my hometown and/or state is an irredeemable dump and I'm glad I split" mentality that like 90% of Americans I know share. My wife pretty much has this, but then she's the sort of lady who'd marry a foreigner.
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Grand Fromage posted:Yes. And every Chinese person says their local X is the best one in China. I've yet to encounter anyone in Asia at large who has the kind of "yeah my hometown and/or state is an irredeemable dump and I'm glad I split" mentality that like 90% of Americans I know share. My friend is from Shandong and she now lives in Xiamen, and the main reason was (paraphrased) "the air is really lovely back home".
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computer parts posted:My friend is from Shandong and she now lives in Xiamen, and the main reason was (paraphrased) "the air is really lovely back home". That's not in the same spirit as other hometown griping/bragging because it's the sort of thing a scientist can objectively measure though.
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computer parts posted:My friend is from Shandong and she now lives in Xiamen, and the main reason was (paraphrased) "the air is really lovely back home". People will complain about the pollution and filth. I mean like everyone's noodle from their hometown which is exactly the same as the one from the neighboring town is way better and totally different and we have unique blah blah.
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Going to HK for 9/3 to 9/8. Anyone had a tux made there? I'm hoping to snag a pretty good one for 300-500USD. I used to be a tailor so I know construction, but not in Mandarin/Cantonese. Some bit of English would be nice. Any suggestions? Also could I have it done in that time?
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DontAskKant posted:Going to HK for 9/3 to 9/8. Anyone had a tux made there? I'm hoping to snag a pretty good one for 300-500USD. I used to be a tailor so I know construction, but not in Mandarin/Cantonese. Some bit of English would be nice. Any suggestions? Also could I have it done in that time? For a decent tux that's cutting it pretty tight. You'll need a few fittings. Also, depending on what season it is, they may be slammed with like wedding requests or whatever. At the end of the day if you're willing to pay extra they'll make it work. My buddy paid 1k in India for three suits and 10 shirts and they had it in less than 24 hours and delivered it to him at the airport lol.
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