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Ak Gara posted:There's a ton of canon info that's only found in some weird game they made, such as references to the black and white eggs and where they came from. Hmm no not really. No not really at all. It'd be more like if they didn't tell you the name of the planet where the at ats were manufactured. Oh wait they dont tell you that anyways. I wonder why they left out that absolutely crucial information.
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Except for Unit 0 and Rei but that's a giant 
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dis astranagant posted:Except for Unit 0 and Rei but that's a giant Yeah Unit 0 is kind of ambiguous. Also I think it's generally agreed that Shinji's mom willingly became EVA-01?
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Oct 12, 2015 11:43
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Like a lot of things in Eva, it's very vague though. Rei was a clone and the most likely candidate for the soul in Unit 00 was Ritsuko's mum who hated the Rei's so it's possible that it only needs an emotional connection even if it's a negative one. Also Touji was presumably able to pilot Unit 04(?), did that have the soul of someone close to him in, is that only necessary to pilot well, or was the presence of the Angel in it the whole time what allowed it to move? Rule of thumb is that every straight answer you look for only throws up more questions.
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Oct 12, 2015 11:47
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Touji piloted Unit 03, and it was implied to be infected by Bardiel during its transport to Japan, when we get that weird shot of the plane flying through some spooky clouds. The general consensus in the fandom seems to be that Unit 03 has Touji's mother's soul. Unit 0 seems to be the only possible outlier- personally I always thought she was made from Rei 1. Here's a more important question: why was Unit 0 yellow and then blue? Raxivace fucked around with this message at 11:59 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 11:53
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Rei 1 makes more sense sync ratio wise but less in the punching the poo poo out of the control room to get at the current Rei sense.
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Oct 12, 2015 12:02
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Sakurazuka posted:Rei 1 makes more sense sync ratio wise but less in the punching the poo poo out of the control room to get at the current Rei sense. Was Unit 0 going after Rei? I thought Unit 0 was going after Ritsuko, thinking she was her mother. I need to rewatch this show.
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Oct 12, 2015 12:03
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You could be right, I hope the simulwatch goes ahead soon because I haven't watched it in long enough that the details are starting to get fuzzy.
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Oct 12, 2015 12:07
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Raxivace posted:Here's a more important question: why was Unit 0 yellow and then blue? I'm assuming it had something to do with suffering extensive damage during the fight with proton-cannon angel so they just decided to go ahead and completely outfit it for combat capabilities (it was only a test unit up until that point).
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Oct 12, 2015 13:22
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What about all those white EVAs with creepy smiles that Asuka fought in End of Evangelion? Did those even have pilots?
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Oct 12, 2015 14:23
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Misato says all the children in Shinji's class (year of graduation). But I think basically it's said by kaworu that Eva's are empty shells if they don't have a soul. When he takes over unit 2 he says its soul is dormant or something. Rei pilots unit 0 because her soul is in it. Her soul being the soul of Lilith, I think?
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Oct 12, 2015 14:23
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Wasn't Unit 00 under some kind of proto dummy plug control? e: Starsnostars posted:What about all those white EVAs with creepy smiles that Asuka fought in End of Evangelion? Did those even have pilots? They were definitely dummy plug controlled. Kaworu in this case. sharktamer fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 14:25
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Starsnostars posted:What about all those white EVAs with creepy smiles that Asuka fought in End of Evangelion? Did those even have pilots?
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Oct 12, 2015 14:27
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Starsnostars posted:What about all those white EVAs with creepy smiles that Asuka fought in End of Evangelion? Did those even have pilots? No, they used the refined dummy plug system, notice they have much less human characteristics and basically acted like animals.
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So Nerv essentially houses Adam and whenever they make an Eva they take a clump of its big white mass and stretch it out and mix it with a dead person's corpse. So in order to pilot an Eva efficiently the soul must be familiar with whoever is piloting it and the stronger the connection the better the performance. If this is true, then why doesn't Shinji's father pilot the Eva instead of putting his son at such dangerous risk? punk rebel ecks fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 17:26
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punk rebel ecks posted:If is is true, then why doesn't Shinji's father pilot the Eva instead of putting his son at such dangerous risk? Have you finished the series yet? e: Not to discourage you, because what you just asked is about a million times more important and relevant than all the bullshit about souls and ancient aliens, but I also kind of suspect the answer isn't of the kind you're asking for. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 17:38 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 17:34
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Yui fuckin hates Gendo lol
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Oct 12, 2015 17:37
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punk rebel ecks posted:So Nerv essentially houses Adam and whenever they make an Eva they take a clump of its big white mass and stretch it out and mix it with a dead person's corpse. So in order to pilot an Eva efficiently the soul must be familiar with whoever is piloting it and the stronger the connection the better the performance. Probably because a mother's love is the stronger connection.
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Oct 12, 2015 17:45
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She doesn't hate him, she just has bigger plans and higher priorities. Gendo has a massive inferiority complex, doesn't think anyone but Yui could ever love him, and antagonizes everyone except Fuyutsuki (who arguably only puts up with him for Yui's sake anyways) because all he cares about is getting Yui back and he'll exploit anyone to make that happen. Shinji is no exception. Yui in the mean time cares more about Shinji than anyone else and half the reason she went into Unit-01 in the first place was for his sake (the other half being that SEELE was going to murder her if she didn't find a way to remove herself from the playing field.) So putting Shinji in the robot is the best way to get her attention / get her to cooperate.
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Oct 12, 2015 17:50
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punk rebel ecks posted:So Nerv essentially houses Adam and whenever they make an Eva they take a clump of its big white mass and stretch it out and mix it with a dead person's corpse. So in order to pilot an Eva efficiently the soul must be familiar with whoever is piloting it and the stronger the connection the better the performance. Spoilered in case you haven't watched the whole series, but it's not Adam in the basement, it's Lilith. And since Man is the child of Lilith, it's implied that the Eva are mankind creating and enslaving horrific, giant versions of themselves to save themselves from the children of Adam, essentially acting as a monstrous and distorted image of Lilith herself, which further implies that humanity may not be worth saving after all.
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Oct 12, 2015 17:51
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Oct 12, 2015 17:57
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Why would SEELE kill Yui? "Outlived" her usefulness like Ritsuko's mom? Hmm, kind of related, I always interpreted the scene where Dr. Akagi tries to (succeeds at?) strangling lil' Rei as something that wasn't planned. Rei acting on her own volition, wanting to get rid of Dr. Akagi because she was between her and Gendo, I dunno. But what if that was the plan, and Rei played into their hands just like Kaworu does. Their being SEELE, I suppose. Or actually probably not SEELE because there's a lot of evidence that Rei was "made by" Gendo: among them is her resemblance to Yui. Anyways that scene is hosed up.
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SHISHKABOB posted:Why would SEELE kill Yui? "Outlived" her usefulness like Ritsuko's mom? Because she had access to the Dead Sea Scrolls and the prophecy, and knew enough (and/or had enough influence) to derail their plan and implement one of her own. So it's not even so much "outlived her usefulness" as it is that she was actively opposing them. (It's helpful to remember that Yui is introduced as a "metaphysical biologist" and she was Fuyutsuki's star pupil. She's basically the world's foremost expert on tampering with the soul and building gods.) Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 18:03
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I think I'm going to rewatch this series.
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Oct 12, 2015 18:26
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punk rebel ecks posted:I think I'm going to rewatch this series. Get the director's cut, especially if you didn't the first time around. A bunch of this stuff is made much clearer there. I think there's also some translation screwiness with the dub but I haven't watched the dub in almost a decade so I don't really remember. Tuxedo Catfish fucked around with this message at 23:06 on Oct 12, 2015 |
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Oct 12, 2015 18:59
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have the morons finished with the blu ray episodes yet?
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Oct 12, 2015 19:02
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Up to episode 18 last time I looked (about an hour ago).
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:She doesn't hate him, she just has bigger plans and higher priorities. I don't know, EoE kind of suggests she hates him for the way he interacted with Shinji. Or Rei 3 hated him. Or he hated himself. But the way he went out was pretty bleak.
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Gendo was like the one guy who didn't get to join the rest of humanity in the sea of tang, I dunno if she and Rei hated him or not but they sure didn't forgive him.
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ChairMaster posted:Gendo was like the one guy who didn't get to join the rest of humanity in the sea of tang, I dunno if she and Rei hated him or not but they sure didn't forgive him. It kind of depends on what being eaten by Unit-01 signifies. Yui was "eaten" by it and became its inhabitant. Also, the Instrumentality figments (when they're not just Rei) seem to have more to do with the individual's projected understanding of the person they love, rather than that person as they are -- Maya sees Ritsuko type something on her keyboard, Hyuga sees Misato embrace him, etc, even though those people are having their own experiences at the same time (or possibly even out of order, I'd have to go back and look.) Plus, throughout the series Yui repeatedly encourages Shinji (as a phantom in his cockpit visions) to make a real effort to understand his father, even scolds him when he refuses in one instance. She also defends Gendo to Fuyutsuki in one of the flashbacks. Rei III refuses to obey Gendo, but apart from reclaiming Adam she's pretty dispassionate about it, and Rei's motivations aren't necessarily Yui's even if there's some blurring there on Rei's side. Overall I'd hazard that either he was taken bodily into Unit-01, or he got tanged like everyone else and just experienced it in an especially traumatic way due to his own self-loathing and confusion about Yui's motives.
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Oct 13, 2015 03:47
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Should I rewatch the series now via Platinum Edition or should I wait for the Blu-Ray remastered version? Is the Platinum version 16:9 or 4:3?
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Oct 13, 2015 04:31
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Both Platinum DVD and the Blu-Rei editions are in 4:3 for the series.
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I kinda took the Gendo getting eaten bit to represent Gendo's own self-condemnation. He' been driven and self-righteous up until this point but still rejects any possibility of salvation through Instrumentality. So in effect I'd imagine that he either was not Tanged or if he was he's basically in his own hell now.
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Oct 13, 2015 05:51
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Oh, I forgot the 16mm negative of episode 16 is gone so looks like we got an upscale of the DVD version of that episode. 
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Yatsuha posted:Oh, I forgot the 16mm negative of episode 16 is gone so looks like we got an upscale of the DVD version of that episode. fuuuuck
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Zas posted:fuuuuck Yeah, it's pretty dumb since they had scanned in a 1080i version the episodes back for the Renewal release and then went down to 480p. So instead of using the 35mm blow up they had left they just used the same poo poo for the BR release for that episode. It REALLY sticks out now. Screen comparison from Sephirotic because I am too lazy to do it myself for all the different releases. Apparently the broadcast version on the dvd boxes had better colours blahblahblah but it still looks like poo poo.
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Yatsuha posted:Yeah, it's pretty dumb since they had scanned in a 1080i version the episodes back for the Renewal release and then went down to 480p. So instead of using the 35mm blow up they had left they just used the same poo poo for the BR release for that episode. It REALLY sticks out now. Man, that still of Misato yelling is so awkward and '90s.
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Yatsuha posted:Yeah, it's pretty dumb since they had scanned in a 1080i version the episodes back for the Renewal release and then went down to 480p. So instead of using the 35mm blow up they had left they just used the same poo poo for the BR release for that episode. It REALLY sticks out now. hahaha oh my god
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In those comparisons, which version is the newer one?
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esselfortium posted:In those comparisons, which version is the newer one? The one that looks better! 
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