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How about if your hands are holding some super delicious seeds or millet?
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Nope, not even then.  I'm assuming tomorrow she'll be even more settled in and more amiable to our hands?
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Oct 27, 2015 21:49
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What about through the bars instead of in the cage? How much handling and cage experience does she have? She was parent raised but was she in an aviary?
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Oct 27, 2015 22:03
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She was parent-raised in an aviary, I believe! So far, she won't even approach our hands if they're near the bars but on the other side from her. And now it's 10PM and her bedtime, so further experiments have to wait 'til tomorrow.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:05
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Well, yeah, if she was "wild" and doesn't have experience of hands or even cages then you're expecting too much of her so soon! Just slowly work on feeding her from your hands through the bars, then go from there. Watch what fresh food she eats most of from her bowl, and eat that/seeds in front of her to entice her.
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Oct 27, 2015 22:09
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^ This'll take a while. Do you even know if Bird knows what millet it?
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Oct 27, 2015 23:10
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painted bird posted:Nope, not even then. I spent the better part of a week with my hand in my budgies cage, holding a variety of grass seeds, before she would trust that they weren't murderdeathmachines out to get her. Just remember the size difference between you two, and be patient.
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Oct 27, 2015 23:17
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Also you should consider starting with stick training rather than hands, it will be easier on all of youPotato Salad posted:^ This'll take a while. Do you even know if Bird knows what millet it? Your avatar makes me  whenever I see it hahaAnd mine too, of course
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Oct 27, 2015 23:32
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Oh, so I've been altering Pie's chop mix for a while-- it's actually less varied than what he used to get but he definitely eats more of it now. I stopped giving him mixed beans since it made his breath stink and turned stanky rotten really fast, so the bulk of his chop mixes now are butternut(or acorn) squash, carrots, string beans, apples, and parsley(or romaine/whatever other leafy green i have on hand). He still wastes like 40% of it but he eats a lot and really gets excited about it now. We've also graduated to bathtime in the bathtub, instead of the sink! Still having issues with that newspaper though.painted bird posted:Nope! She flies the gently caress away from our hands, but every so often she flaps her wings close to her body and beeps at us. But when we put our hands inside her cage, she flaps around trying to get away from us. Definitely sounds like COME BACK PAY ATTENTION TO ME/DON'T LEAVE ME ALONE. My bird did this when he was young too, when he was in the store but before he'd let us touch him. Just hang out around her, she'll gain confidence eventually.
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Oct 28, 2015 00:36
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Pellisworth posted:Sounds like you've already got plenty of info, but for what it's worth Eclectus parrots don't produce dust like most (all?) other parrots, so are essentially hypo-allergenic. I'm not sure if anyone in the thread has an Eclectus buddy that could fill you in more, but from what I've heard they generally have a very relaxed personality.
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Oct 28, 2015 01:35
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Yeah the "flappies" as Sanchezz called them are baby bird begging behavior. You'll get a lot of that (even when she's not a baby anymore).
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Oct 28, 2015 01:52
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I get that from my fully flighted cockatiels every now and again. Birds, you have wings. Use them.
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Oct 28, 2015 02:26
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But why use wings when I can sit here and wobble like a pathetic orange puff and get what I want?
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Oct 28, 2015 02:54
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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:I get that from my fully flighted cockatiels every now and again. Birds, you have wings. Use them.  I AM AMAZING"
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Slaughterhouse-Ive posted:I get that from my fully flighted cockatiels every now and again. Birds, you have wings. Use them.
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Pellisworth posted:Sounds like you've already got plenty of info, but for what it's worth Eclectus parrots don't produce dust like most (all?) other parrots, so are essentially hypo-allergenic. I'm not sure if anyone in the thread has an Eclectus buddy that could fill you in more, but from what I've heard they generally have a very relaxed personality. They require lots of work and a fancy diet. I wouldn't recommend one as a first bird. I fostered a lady vos ekkie over the summer so I speak from some experience. They are awesome birds though. Very smart and crafty. E: they are also prone to toe tapping if you feed them any dyed foods zbeezy fucked around with this message at 05:13 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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Oct 28, 2015 05:11
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  Eris Pineapple is having a good morning/afternoon. 
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Oct 28, 2015 13:39
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I have just gone through 24 hours of baby grey potato shrieking because I dared switch her food, I've switched it back for the sake of my entire house's sanity,
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Oct 28, 2015 13:45
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learnincurve posted:I have just gone through 24 hours of baby grey potato shrieking because I dared switch her food, I've switched it back for the sake of my entire house's sanity, this sounds pretty awesome
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Oct 28, 2015 13:57
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painted bird posted:
She looks like she is blushing 
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Oct 28, 2015 14:18
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painted bird posted:
Look at that pretty lady.GoldStandardConure posted:She looks like she is blushing Dreggon posted:this sounds pretty awesome
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Oct 28, 2015 14:33
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painted bird posted:
She looks nervous but curious Tendai posted:Baby cockatiel sounds come in two varieties: "loving irritating oh god shut up why did I get a bird why do I even like birds" and "so heartbreakingly sad that your bird is going to die of sadness if you don't get the gently caress up right now and do what he wants." Wish I could have experienced babytiel, it sounds adorably infuriating.
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Oct 28, 2015 15:02
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http://i.imgur.com/GWaJtAC.webm Adorbs.
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Battle Pigeon posted:Wish I could have experienced babytiel, it sounds adorably infuriating. Oh my godddd
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Oct 28, 2015 17:11
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Ohtori was rejected and hand raised with his four brothers, then they were all put out to live together in an outdoor aviary with some other conures until we got him at 6/7 months old. I don't recall him making any baby noises or doing anything much different other than chilling out on shoulders (once the intial gently caress YOU attack period was over) He just seemed mostly offended/resigned on the very long journey home in his travel cage inside his box. Just staring innocently back whenever we peeked in and fed him bits of apple. And his reaction to the cage, from what I remember, was basically sigh whatever i guess this is my life now oh hey food btw pet me
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Archer made crying noises when I brought him home and it was heartbreaking until I got to my apartment at which point he heard Ellie's warking and pretty much immediately cheered up. Ellie just seemed massively confused to be getting responses to her contact calls.
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Oct 28, 2015 17:32
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Those are both hilarious images to think about How is Eris, painted bird?
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Been gone a little bit, but omg Painted Bird...Eris is beautiful!!! What a gorgeous lil girlie bird
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Oct 28, 2015 17:58
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Contact noises you say? When I found the red rumps I bought (blue) Drama, and my friend got (yellow) Shy but the condition was that if she didn't want to keep her I would take her. I knew there was a 99% chance of Oooh pretty, turning into oh god mess within a day with my friend. Sure enough a day later I got the call and went to pick her up. Got back in the house and was a bit desperate for the lav so put her in the hall for a second, she then started a contact call which was one long pathetic shriek, drama responded with the same pathetic sound and it went back and forth between them before she got put in his cage. They then started snuggling which is something that breed doesn't do, and even now if they realise that they are more than 6ft apart when they are out of the cage they start to panic.
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For a while today, Pion seemed to be beeping out Morse codes. I didn't take note to what it might mean. Then later yawning to the point of infecting me. Her repertoire of sounds seems to be slowly increasing, and even displacing some screaming it seems. Makes me happy!
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Oct 28, 2015 18:05
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This is probably a stupid question, but.. why would someone raise a bird in an aviary if its going to be kept in a cage for the majority of its life? It just seems kind of cruel to give them that sort of freedom and then take it away.
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nielsm posted:For a while today, Pion seemed to be beeping out Morse codes. I didn't take note to what it might mean. Hmmm. If Pion keeps making more complex noises it's possible she could be a he
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Tea.EarlGrey.Hot. posted:This is probably a stupid question, but.. why would someone raise a bird in an aviary if its going to be kept in a cage for the majority of its life? It just seems kind of cruel to give them that sort of freedom and then take it away. Parrots rely alot of instincts, as smart as they are they're still animals. Birds that are hand fed (instead of parent fed) tend to make better pets in that they're more used to humans and more likely to turn into cuddle bugs, but they're also more prone to plucking or shrieking or other behavioral problems. Something about being raised in an aviary by the actual parents and being allowed to just be a bird for awhile before being asked to be a pet makes them more mentally stable. So it really comes down to what an individual owner wants, do you want a more needy bird who will be a great pet and loves people but has the threat of being more likely to become neurotic if it's needs aren't met, or a bird that is going to be more independant and may even never want to interact with you physically at all, but will likely be more mentally stable. Of course it's possible aviary birds may get neurotic, and hand raised birds may never want to have anything to do with you, and it varies greatly by species as well. I've never seen a neurotic budgie in my life. And hell this might all be a bunch of horsecrap given that it's just information I'm regurgitating from various books I've read and parrot knowledge has developed quickly so this might all be wrong/incomplete! As an aside this thread needs more budgies  Seriously, after owning conures, cockatiels, and budgies, I can say of the small birds budgies are far and away my favorites. I still get a bit teary eyed about Blue and he passed away what, 3 years ago now? What a great little guy. Didn't we have a couple budgie owners who used to post regularly? Agent355 fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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 Tea.EarlGrey.Hot. posted:This is probably a stupid question, but.. why would someone raise a bird in an aviary if its going to be kept in a cage for the majority of its life? It just seems kind of cruel to give them that sort of freedom and then take it away. Can't speak for others, but Ohtori's breeder was fully prepared to look after all of his birds for the rest of their lives, and an aviary with lots of space and bird friends and all that was the best way to go about it E: And like Agent355 said, parent-raised birds that are later tamed are the ideal, for all those behavioural reasons. I think Ohtori got the best of both worlds too-hand raised, but living with his brothers then all those other birds, and learning to be a bird. Like despite human parents, he'd much rather bone Steve than us, as the thread well knows Battle Pigeon fucked around with this message at 18:36 on Oct 28, 2015 |
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I was reluctant to post about this, because the thought came to me after my wife sent me a Craigslist ad for birds, and I find thinking about neglected pet birds intensely depressing. I'm bothered by people talking about "starter birds." Of course it's good advice to tell someone not to get a particular species as their first bird, but talking about starter birds...even budgies can live more than a decade; that's not a starter anything, and there are plenty of reasons to stick to budgies and small parrots. And exotic bird pictures are cute, but I would never get a rare or expensive bird for its own sake. I can't believe the stupidity of people who buy a bird expecting it to be a cute talking decoration.
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Tea.EarlGrey.Hot. posted:This is probably a stupid question, but.. why would someone raise a bird in an aviary if its going to be kept in a cage for the majority of its life? It just seems kind of cruel to give them that sort of freedom and then take it away. It's much easier to breed in an aviary. I know I've come across as horribly smug in the past on other bird forums when I've bollocked some kid for shoving a potato in a cage that only grannies think is a good size for a budgie but... I'm only experienced with parakeet/cockatiel sized birds or smaller so can't comment on what is appropriate for anything larger as that's a whole different set of requirements - Imo your cage must be big enough for them to fly about in, (unless they are out of the cage most of the day every day, in which case it's just a sleep cage) even if it's just a few feet, and that's with a good amount of toys in. Get the largest cage you can for your space before you get the bird and unless your cage is at least friggin 3ft X 3ft get a drat finch or a canary. /shakes first at theoretical internet teenager
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Halloween Jack posted:I was reluctant to post about this, because the thought came to me after my wife sent me a Craigslist ad for birds, and I find thinking about neglected pet birds intensely depressing. The rub of it is that big parrots require exponentially more care than small parrots, and people who want big parrots, even for the best of reasons, really should dip their feet into a smaller parrot first. Of course nobody in this thread would advise you to get a cockatiel that can live for 30 years, take care of it for 2-3 and then abandon it and get the pet you actually wanted. It makes it hard because owning a large parrot like a macaw/cockatoo/grey/amazon what have you is very difficult to do if you also own a cockatiel. Most likely you won't be able to let them share space for fear of the bigger bird, accidentally or intentionally, harming the smaller one. So do you buy a 'starter' bird to learn more about bird care, take care of it and love it for 30 years, then when it passes away go and get the bird you actually wanted. Or get a smaller bird and then a few years down the line get a larger bird only to go through all the extra care required to handle two birds at once. Of course in my opinion the best option is and will always be  Shorter lifespan than a cockatiel, super adorable. Endless burbling. Seriously. If I ever decide to build a large indoor or outdoor aviary I'm going to fill that thing with budgies. Budgies everywhere. Like 20 of them. I would just sit in there for hours listening to those twerps.
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Old man breeder friend of mine does just this, he sits in the middle of his budgie avery for hours surrounded by budgies like the budgie King. He actually breeds budgies to be small and they are about 2/3 the size of a normal English budgie because he worked out years ago that if he can't encourage people to buy cages to fit the bird then he would make the birds fit the standard size cages that they sell in pet shops.
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Yeah, rather than a cockatiel, wouldn't it make more sense to get a budgie or a relatively calm, low-maintenance breed of parrot so that you can get your larger breed without it being a ton of work? My wife does want an African Grey at some point. But she also wants a Corgi, some chickens, a duck pond, a lovebird aviary, and I think she mentioned goats at one point. If I can only talk her out of one of these things it will be the Grey. Or the goats, I loving hate goats.
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Battle Pigeon posted:Those are both hilarious images to think about She's doing extremely well! Still very cautious and shy, but very curious about us. We let her out of the cage for a bit and she flew around exploring (and bumped against the kitchen window because we forgot to close the kitchen door like morons) and is now sitting on top of the cage, looking around. She hasn't come near us, but she doesn't immediately fly away when we approach--only when we get too close. She's very quiet. I've only heard her make a few loud shrieks and then these very faint grunting/snorting noises. Is ... is that just how conures are? I was expecting endless chatter like with the budgies. Also: the budgies have been chattier since she arrived and she landed on their cage a few times and I think Gnosis wants to get out and meet the large bird. I'm not letting him just yet. Not until the pineapple is trained better. Tea.EarlGrey.Hot. posted:This is probably a stupid question, but.. why would someone raise a bird in an aviary if its going to be kept in a cage for the majority of its life? It just seems kind of cruel to give them that sort of freedom and then take it away. A lot of people here keep birds in aviaries rather than in cages as pets. That might be a rural European thing, though. RE: "starter" birds, I would love to eventually own an African Grey or something, but ... probably not until I'm a lot older. Health is also an issue here ...
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