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MattD1zzl3
Oct 26, 2007
Probation
Can't post for 4 years!

Hibernator posted:

Here's a goofy animated version of Smith's original bugnuts ending.

http://youtu.be/DtXEtwAVgEc

All of the buisiness you guys have been giving that isnt to kevin smith has been wasted. This guy should be doing the avengers movies and all the "star trek"s.

MattD1zzl3 fucked around with this message at 04:58 on Jul 13, 2015

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Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010
That would have been a bold ending. Which is also most likely why it didn't happen.

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

TheJoker138 posted:

Do you not see how an ending where the crazy, gay hating religious people were actually totally right the whole time, and the sins of homosexuality caused the apocalypse might be kind of...you know.

Like k.Waste said. Best case scenario God is indifferent and wants to kill literally every person on earth. Worst case scenario the cult is totally right and God is just as evil as they are. Both of these interpretations would make it a more fitting ending to a horror film than what we got.

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011

Sorry, I'm quite busy at the moment.
Once upon a time, after Jay & Silent Bob Strike Back came out, Bob Weinstein had the brilliant idea to cross Jay and Bob over with the Hellraiser movies.

Kevin Smith posted:

“Yeah, Bob Weinstein said to me one day on the phone, this was after Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, he goes, ‘You know what happens with buddy team comedies in the history of cinema?‘” said Smith. “I go, ‘No, what? They stop making them eventually? People get tired?’ And he goes, ‘Think about what Abbott and Costello did. They met the monsters.'”

“This was back in the day at Miramax, not even The Weinstein Company,” Smith continued. “He’s like, ‘We have Hellraiser, Pinhead. We have Michael Myers, Halloween. We have Children of the Corn. Why not Jay and Bob meeting the modern day monsters so it’s kind of like Abbot and Costello Meet Frankenstein or The Wolf Man but instead it’s Jay and Bob meeting Pinhead?’ And I was like, ‘Bob, I can’t get my head around that.'”

“I remember I told Ben Affleck that idea. Next time I spoke to Ben, I was like, ‘Bob Weinstein told me, he suggested that I do Jay and Silent Bob vs. Hellraiser.’ And Affleck starts laughing, and then he stops and he goes, ‘You know what, man? That movie would make $100 million.’ I said, ‘Get out of here.’ He goes, ‘Come on, dude. Think about it. It’s just so f***in’ stupid that enough people might be like, “I want to see what happens.”‘ I mean, to me it never went beyond that conversation, but I’d often joked about if I was going to do it, it would be Jay and Silent Bob with that puzzle box and it snaps into place and they wind up in rehab.”

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011

Sorry, I'm quite busy at the moment.
Kevin Smith is going to kill off an Askewniverse character in Moose Jaws.

I'm rolling my eyes at the idea of Silent Bob getting eaten by a loving moose and somehow tying together this series of Canadian horror movies with the Askewniverse.

Knowing Kevin Smith, though, this could all be talk and he won't kill the character after all.

DrVenkman
Dec 28, 2005

I think he can hear you, Ray.

SilentChaz posted:

Kevin Smith is going to kill off an Askewniverse character in Moose Jaws.

I'm rolling my eyes at the idea of Silent Bob getting eaten by a loving moose and somehow tying together this series of Canadian horror movies with the Askewniverse.

Knowing Kevin Smith, though, this could all be talk and he won't kill the character after all.

I saw that and it seems really weird that Smith would give away a giant spoiler like that so early.

That Hellraiser idea is hilarious though. I really don't get how the Weinstein's got to be as successful as they were because all you generally hear are horror stories.

scuba school sucks
Aug 30, 2012

The brilliance of my posting illuminates the forums like a jar of shining gold when all around is dark
But Jay and Silent Bob would be too goddamn stoned to ever solve the puzzle box in the first place. They'd just halfheartedly dick around with it for five minutes and then Bob would look at Jay without saying anything and Jay would throw it behind the couch and say, "gently caress it, hand me the rolling papers, let's burn one down." Then they'd completely forget about it and go play Xbox or something.

egon_beeblebrox
Mar 1, 2008

WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING IN LIFE.



Silent Bob being eaten by a moose is kind of funny. I cannot see it actually playing as funny, though.

poonchasta
Feb 22, 2007

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Dante dies. Clerks 3 is about Randall having a mental breakdown, and the whole movie is a daydream in his psychotic mind that is basically Die Hard in the Quickstop.

Edit: The second half of the movie is Randall figuring out that he's inside his own head and decides to just do nothing but smoke blunts with Jay and Silent Bob while watching tranny porn and freestyle rapping.

Edit: and having gay sex with Dante while Dante screams, "I'm not even supposed to be here today!"

poonchasta fucked around with this message at 04:32 on Sep 21, 2015

TrixRabbi
Aug 20, 2010

Time for a little robot chauvinism!

Network Pesci posted:

But Jay and Silent Bob would be too goddamn stoned to ever solve the puzzle box in the first place. They'd just halfheartedly dick around with it for five minutes and then Bob would look at Jay without saying anything and Jay would throw it behind the couch and say, "gently caress it, hand me the rolling papers, let's burn one down." Then they'd completely forget about it and go play Xbox or something.

It'd hit the ground behind the couch and fall into place, and since Jay threw it he'd be responsible for solving it.

starry skies above
Aug 23, 2015

by zen death robot

It's fun to talk about Kevin Smith's decline and his antics but come on...gloating over something like that seems malicious. I don't think anybody really hates the dude that much.

rejutka
May 28, 2004

by zen death robot

Network Pesci posted:

But Jay and Silent Bob would be too goddamn stoned to ever solve the puzzle box in the first place. They'd just halfheartedly dick around with it for five minutes and then Bob would look at Jay without saying anything and Jay would throw it behind the couch and say, "gently caress it, hand me the rolling papers, let's burn one down." Then they'd completely forget about it and go play Xbox or something.

Bitch, you're gonna tear my soul apart? I grew in Jersey, what world? Nooch

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

starry skies above posted:

It's fun to talk about Kevin Smith's decline and his antics but come on...gloating over something like that seems malicious. I don't think anybody really hates the dude that much.

Er.. I mean he doesn't get paid by the number of attendees right? And presumably this won't cost him bookings since everyone knows the incident was inadvertently cause by Star Wars.

It's pretty embarrassing but I think he will get over it, I am comfortable having a good chuckle about it.

Snowman_McK
Jan 31, 2010

Guy A. Person posted:

Er.. I mean he doesn't get paid by the number of attendees right? And presumably this won't cost him bookings since everyone knows the incident was inadvertently cause by Star Wars.

It's pretty embarrassing but I think he will get over it, I am comfortable having a good chuckle about it.

I think you're being very optimistic in the amount of emotional maturity you think Smith has.

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

Well then that just makes it funnier!

starry skies above
Aug 23, 2015

by zen death robot

Guy A. Person posted:

Er.. I mean he doesn't get paid by the number of attendees right? And presumably this won't cost him bookings since everyone knows the incident was inadvertently cause by Star Wars.

It's pretty embarrassing but I think he will get over it, I am comfortable having a good chuckle about it.

Okay but when Kevin Smith commits suicide because of internet jerks like you I hope you feel bad

Justin Godscock
Oct 12, 2004

Listen here, funnyman!
I admit that's kind of embarrassing for Kevin Smith especially if he didn't know that JJ was going to pull that stunt. But he went out there and did his panel (and having a Dad Moment with his daughter presenting) instead of having a Twitter meltdown like it was 2009 all over again and got a chuckle out of it. I get no schadenfreude from this.

Yaws
Oct 23, 2013

Justin Godscock posted:

I admit that's kind of embarrassing for Kevin Smith especially if he didn't know that JJ was going to pull that stunt. But he went out there and did his panel (and having a Dad Moment with his daughter presenting) instead of having a Twitter meltdown like it was 2009 all over again and got a chuckle out of it. I get no schadenfreude from this.

Yeah, but Smith has been such a dickhead over the years it's kinda funny when something like this happens. Especially because he's such a big Star Wars fans

Guy A. Person
May 23, 2003

starry skies above posted:

Okay but when Kevin Smith commits suicide because of internet jerks like you I hope you feel bad

Oh no! :smith:

H13
Nov 30, 2005

Fun Shoe
I saw Kevin Smith last night at a Q and A.

It was pretty awesome actually. He's a funny guy who knows how to tell a good story. He even admitted that he was pretty much out of ideas after Chasing Amy and with the exception of Clerks II, nothing else had the quality of those first movies and that he was trying too hard to stay relevant.

At the same time, he raved about how much fun he had making Tusk. Go figure.

ElectricSheep
Jan 14, 2006

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

Hammer Floyd posted:

At the same time, he raved about how much fun he had making Tusk. Go figure.

Common thread there, I heard the same thing from him during a Q&A after a con in Miami over the summer.

Seems nice, good storyteller, all that, but a lot of the story seemed to come from how he couldn't loving believe he pulled Johnny Depp for Tusk. He also played up his and Depp's daughter's involvement, likely because they're making a movie together.

The wife and I were curious to see Tusk after that, so we put it on our Netflix queue. The red envelope has been sitting unopened on my audio system for probably a month now.

K. Waste
Feb 27, 2014

MORAL:
To the vector belong the spoils.

ElectricSheep posted:

The wife and I were curious to see Tusk after that, so we put it on our Netflix queue. The red envelope has been sitting unopened on my audio system for probably a month now.

It's the most challenging and audacious of Smith's films and, thus, predictably one of the least favored.

It's also his best film. In that it's actually good.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Kevin Smith's best film was left behind on some wine glasses before he switched to Cascade.

SilentChaz
Oct 5, 2011

Sorry, I'm quite busy at the moment.
Kevin Smith hosted the Ash vs. Evil Dead panel at New York Comic Con this weekend and asked Bruce Campbell to appear in Mallrats 2, which starts filming in January.

Bruce said yes. :sigh:

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

Bruce Campbell has more experience dealing with weirdos like Kevin Smith than possibly anyone else on the planet. I'm sure he responded in just the same tone of voice as with every request from an audience member to read a script he brought to a Q&A.

Full Battle Rattle
Aug 29, 2009

As long as the times refuse to change, we're going to make a hell of a racket.

FreudianSlippers posted:

I saw Red State recently and I liked it more than I had expected. Sure it's a bit clumsy in places but Micheal Parks really kills it. I just wish they'd wouldn't have chickened out on the ending and actually had the world end. It would've a been a bit stupid but more fun than the ending they went with. I hear they were going to but had to change it for budget reasons but how much money could it cost to have four sinister horsemen, or even just one on a pale horse, appear for a couple of shots?

If I remember right the only thing that stopped him from doing the ending he wanted was that the final shot would cost more than the entire rest of the movie. I thought Red State was one of his best movies, if only because it was so unconventional with it's characters and pacing. Even though the other areas are pretty good, the novelty of it makes it more than the sum of it's parts in my eyes.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



SilentChaz posted:

Kevin Smith hosted the Ash vs. Evil Dead panel at New York Comic Con this weekend and asked Bruce Campbell to appear in Mallrats 2, which starts filming in January.

Bruce said yes. :sigh:

Dude, let's be real here. If you pay Bruce Campbell he will be in any loving thing you ask him to be in. That's his whole deal, and how he became king of the b movie actors. And a Kevin Smith movie, even current Kevin Smith, is still better than a good 75% of the stuff he's ever done, not to mention a way bigger pay day.

Pick
Jul 19, 2009
Nap Ghost

TheJoker138 posted:

Dude, let's be real here. If you pay Bruce Campbell he will be in any loving thing you ask him to be in. That's his whole deal, and how he became king of the b movie actors. And a Kevin Smith movie, even current Kevin Smith, is still better than a good 75% of the stuff he's ever done, not to mention a way bigger pay day.

As a child, I appreciated his appearances on Xena.

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

Bruce will always be the fourth member of the Aqua Teen Hunger Force

ElectricSheep
Jan 14, 2006

she had tiny Italian boobs.
Well that's my story.

K. Waste posted:

It's the most challenging and audacious of Smith's films and, thus, predictably one of the least favored.

It's also his best film. In that it's actually good.

Finally watched it tonight and can clear that Netflix slot. poo poo, did I post about this thing almost two months ago?

I won't deny that Smith seemed to learn how to direct more competently. The whole movie belongs to Michael Parks, though. The extended conversation between Parks and Justin Long's podcaster was pretty great.

I knew what I was getting into and this movie sure as poo poo didn't take itself seriously but did have some sparks of genuine unease. If anything, I'd complain about pacing issues after Long gets sewn into the walrus suit. Long's realization that one of his legs was missing was a great way to use him as an audience surrogate; if Smith allowed each of the procedures that Johnny Depp's detective painstakingly described to be shown step-by-step with Long progressively losing his humanity at each turn, I think that would have made for something better.

Instead, the transformation happens all at once and the other two protagonists - who clearly mark Long's character as a negative influence in their lives - drop everything and rush to help him, despite the fact that he's been progressively shown to be a douchebag. The movie kind of slammed its narrative brakes at this point. These two don't develop as characters; they're as passive and as influenced by their bombastic friend as they've ever been. Even at the end, they're still visiting him and his girlfriend still mourns him - she can't let him go, as she complained to Osment earlier in the movie.

speshl guy
Dec 11, 2012
http://www.avclub.com/article/kevin-smith-finds-perfect-setting-mallbrats-its-ma-225227

Filming of Mallrats 2 commences in January at MY mall. Pretty surreal.

Not sure what the appeal is. While it's a great mall, it's pretty tame. It kind of gives off a "too sterile" vibe and there is essentially no culture to speak of, which makes sense because the whole of Exton, PA is a veritable wasteland of strip malls and shopping centers as far as the eye can see.

Almost never see any kids in there. Also, there are barely any elevators to have sex in. I guess in terms of a shooting location it's the perfect blank slate but all of its personality was lost in the redesign in the late 90's.

NeuroticErotica
Sep 9, 2003

Perform sex? Uh uh, I don't think I'm up to a performance, but I'll rehearse with you...

speshl guy posted:

Not sure what the appeal is. While it's a great mall, it's pretty tame. It kind of gives off a "too sterile" vibe and there is essentially no culture to speak of, which makes sense because the whole of Exton, PA is a veritable wasteland of strip malls and shopping centers as far as the eye can see.

Anybody else could use it to showcase how America's mall culture has completely died out with the advent of online shopping and the like - and thus disassociating consumer culture to socialization, but I'm sure Kevin Smith liked it because it was probably a cheap filming location.

Lurdiak
Feb 26, 2006

I believe in a universe that doesn't care, and people that do.


speshl guy posted:

http://www.avclub.com/article/kevin-smith-finds-perfect-setting-mallbrats-its-ma-225227

Filming of Mallrats 2 commences in January at MY mall. Pretty surreal.

Not sure what the appeal is. While it's a great mall, it's pretty tame. It kind of gives off a "too sterile" vibe and there is essentially no culture to speak of, which makes sense because the whole of Exton, PA is a veritable wasteland of strip malls and shopping centers as far as the eye can see.

Almost never see any kids in there. Also, there are barely any elevators to have sex in. I guess in terms of a shooting location it's the perfect blank slate but all of its personality was lost in the redesign in the late 90's.

Maybe that'll be part of the movie's themes.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



The mall he filmed the first one in was also always a generic looking, sterile mall with no personality. Now it's that but there's a Dave & Busters.

I AM GRANDO
Aug 20, 2006

I imagine it will address the dead mall phenomenon and how nothing from the first movie is relevant or even recognizable any more.

Stan had better be in it. Jeremy London too.

Kevyn
Mar 5, 2003

I just want to smile. Just once. I'd like to just, one time, go to Disney World and smile like the other boys and girls.
Maybe it'll be like Chasing Amy where the whole movie is a metaphor for his own career.

Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

Jack Gladney posted:

I imagine it will address the dead mall phenomenon and how nothing from the first movie is relevant or even recognizable any more.

WTF? Anyone over the age of 5 could recognize that they're in a mall. Hell one of my co-workers has two kids in their teens and he's always complaining about their hanging out at the mall. And a friend of mine owns his own cutlery store in a mall and year over year he's been doing better and better.

I think you might be overselling this just a tad.

Slugworth
Feb 18, 2001

If two grown men can't make a pervert happy for a few minutes in order to watch a film about zombies, then maybe we should all just move to Iran!
Food courts are an inscrutable artifact of a long dead American mall culture ever since we started downloading our french fries.

Vince MechMahon
Jan 1, 2008



Megaman's Jockstrap posted:

WTF? Anyone over the age of 5 could recognize that they're in a mall. Hell one of my co-workers has two kids in their teens and he's always complaining about their hanging out at the mall. And a friend of mine owns his own cutlery store in a mall and year over year he's been doing better and better.

I think you might be overselling this just a tad.

Your anecdotal evidence does not trump the actual numbers that show malls all over the country basically emptying out and closing down.

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Megaman's Jockstrap
Jul 16, 2000

What a horrible thread to have a post.

TheJoker138 posted:

Your anecdotal evidence does not trump the actual numbers that show malls all over the country basically emptying out and closing down.

That's a far cry from "The audience won't be able to recognize a mall" Malls consolidating does not mean that they are completely absent from society.

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