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Onmi posted:Well adventure had a budget of animation of about $5 and then Episode 21 as a standout done by Mamoru Hosada. You know I'd be happy with an Adventure that was remade with half the budget of Tri. Want to see those Myotismon fights so bad.
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As great as Tri looks there's still some bits that are rough around the edges, not enough to be a negative, just that the budget is probably not That amazing, but having a schedule of essentially an episode worth of content per month is what does the looks, so a scenario where they do 51 episodes of it is probably doomed in all ways.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:As great as Tri looks there's still some bits that are rough around the edges, not enough to be a negative, just that the budget is probably not That amazing, but having a schedule of essentially an episode worth of content per month is what does the looks, so a scenario where they do 51 episodes of it is probably doomed in all ways. Don't ruin this for me
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Burkion posted:Don't ruin this for me something technically already has to be happening for it to be ruined for you. Like "Hey they announced they're remaking Adventure! I hope it has Tri's budget" "Uhhhhh"
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Nov 24, 2015 04:07
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On the other hand you could end up in a Sailor Moon Crystal situation, which I don't think anybody wants. I'm cool with Tri doing its thing.
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kefkafloyd posted:On the other hand you could end up in a Sailor Moon Crystal situation, which I don't think anybody wants. I'm cool with Tri doing its thing. People are still comparing Tri now to Crystal.
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Nov 24, 2015 04:29
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kefkafloyd posted:On the other hand you could end up in a Sailor Moon Crystal situation, which I don't think anybody wants. I'm cool with Tri doing its thing. Sailor Moon Crystal: Reminding people that sometimes nostalgia is a motherfucker.
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Nov 24, 2015 05:28
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Omnicrom posted:People pointed out that Tri seems to be cribbing heavily from Tamers in terms of scope and focus, but I wasn't expecting them to almost literally copy the Tamers evolution sequence as well. I do like the little detail of Patamon folding in his wings to fit in the egg. I think that's more "between 02 and now we figured out a cool way to digivolve from Rookie to Champion, might as well use it for Tri" than being a lazy copy.
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Nov 24, 2015 05:34
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the first digimon was good when you were a kid, why not keep it that way
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There are shades of the Omegamon evolution in there as well with how the white egg is formed and cracked. Still, I was really hoping for textures to be fling into the models instead of the spins.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:As great as Tri looks there's still some bits that are rough around the edges, not enough to be a negative, just that the budget is probably not That amazing, but having a schedule of essentially an episode worth of content per month is what does the looks, so a scenario where they do 51 episodes of it is probably doomed in all ways. That being said, a lot of modern major release anime tends to get cleaned up considerably for their blu-ray/DVD release. lovely facial animation, specifically.
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Nov 24, 2015 09:08
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Onmi posted:People are still comparing Tri now to Crystal. If it's used as the HOW THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED counterpoint to Crystal then I'm all for it  Seriously though if Season 2 of that isn't six movies with two for each arc I will eat crow.
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ConanThe3rd posted:If it's used as the HOW THIS SHOULD HAVE HAPPENED counterpoint to Crystal then I'm all for it No it's used in the "Man Tri is poo poo, just like Sailor Moon Crystal! gently caress Toei!" way. Lots of complaints about the animation and the faces and the stills and half drawn backgrounds and other poo poo that's mostly inconsequential. Also a lot of crying that "Taichi is such a pussy now!" Now, in non-stupid stuff there's been a translated interview quote:|| Hanae Natsuki and Hosoya Yoshimasa’s talk on “Digimon Adventure tri. Chapter 1 - Reunion.”
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Oh no I get that. Frankly Toei set themselves up for that comparison given their general output as of World Trigger. I was just praying that it wouldn't be an utter disaster like Crystal and that seems to have been avoided.
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nine-gear crow posted:That being said, a lot of modern major release anime tends to get cleaned up considerably for their blu-ray/DVD release. lovely facial animation, specifically. Totally, but I highly doubt Tri will see that sorta clean up, or rather it already got it, since BD were being sold the day of release.  Cool detail, you can actually see Omegamon split to MetalGarurumon and WarGreymon before the explosion blasts them off. MorningMoon fucked around with this message at 19:17 on Nov 24, 2015 |
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I'm late to the thread, but I love Digimon and just started watching this today. I'm amazed in the best way. I pretty much gave up after Frontier and Savers disappointed me, so this is like a breath of fresh air. That it seems to be a mashup of Adventure with Tamers (my favorite season) is wonderful. I really like the new character designs, the returning cast for the Digimon, and all the fresh versions of the original music. I think I'm feeling an equal mix of nostalgia and glee right now.  Very interested to see how the story unfolds.
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Hunh. You know, it isn't very often that a show meets my expectations exactly. So far it's been really entertaining, even if it's yet to do anything that isn't setup. I didn't really expect it to, considering we still have another 5 movies. I expect the pacing will more strongly correlate to a 24-episode series than it will to a line of connected films, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but makes it sort of hard to judge each entry on its own merits. My only real gripe is that they didn't really give any reason why they only went into their Adult forms when they were getting stomped by the competition; it isn't like their Perfect forms are any larger or anything. Hell, Wargreymon's tiny compared to Greymon, and has the utility of being able to fly, which would've helped to keep the fight under the radar. The obvious reason is they didn't have the evolution stock animations ready for those evolutions yet, but it would've been nice to at least offer a vague explanation. Speaking of which, I was very disappointed that Omegamon didn't get a shiny new Jogress-style evolution sequence. Also Meicomon looks like a rejected Sonic character.
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I feel like it might be hyperbole to say this only 4 episodes (or 1 movie, whatever) in but so far Tri is pretty much what I've always wanted out of a new Digimon. I've always loved the cast of Adventure, the way they interact with each other is great and their individual personalities are all really interesting to me in a way that just never happened again afterward. I liked 02 well enough despite it's many problems because it was just some mindless fun, and sometimes the older characters would do something and that was neat (also I thought Ken was a good character unlike the other new kids), but Tamers has never resonated with me the way it seems to with a lot of people. Frontier I enjoyed on the same sort of level as 02 where it's just sort of fun but unsubstantial in the long run. I never got more than a few episodes into Savers or Xros Wars because they just immediately felt wrong to me. Tri, on the other hand, seems to be a passion project where they just sort of abandoned the easy money making route of aiming it at kids again, since they're all about Yokai Watch now anyway. Also, aside from the random superboss showing up in episode 4 out of nowhere when all they were doing before was fighting chump-rear end Kuwagamons, the pacing is really good. It's giving the characters room to breathe, and letting them show how they've matured and how there's a bit more to them now compared to the other seasons. I expected like 7 minutes of setup, all the partners are back (or at least Agumon), Digivolve, take out the badmon, WHAT'S REALLY GOING ON HERE.... to all happen in episode 1, and I was pleasantly surprised when it didn't. So yeah hopefully the rest can keep on track because for something that's starting out as Literally Exactly What I Want it would be a drat shame if they drop the ball later on.
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Yay! Tri is out! And it's actually pretty good! My thoughts on the first 4 episodes: -The animation is gorgeous! Holy cow this studio knows how to do backgrounds. -Good fight scenes so far. The new evolution animations are pretty boss. -The CGI is well done and well integrated but I can still tell when it's on screen and this bugs the poo poo out of me. This might only be a problem for me though since CG in 2d animation is a pet peeve of mine. -The new character designs are fine but I think they lost some of the personality of the original series. One of the things I've always loved about Adventure was how different and distinct all the characters were from one another visually so it's a bit disappointing to see the designs go in a more generic direction. -Mimi somehow became my new favorite character. Not sure when or how this happened. -Still hoping against hope that the Dark Ocean will be involved somehow. I've wanted to see something cool done with that concept for over a decade now. -As a former owner of a maine coon I love the hell out of the new digimon addition. -Tai's doubts are reasonable should have been better articulated earlier on in the show. A lot of the drama this generates feels a bit artificial and I don't buy him straight up not fighting to save the city because he's worried he might damage it. -There is much lifting from Tamers here. I approve. Let's get Lovecraftian and deeply traumatic up in this bitch! -WHAT THE gently caress IS UP WITH THIS DUDE'S PHONE!?  Am I missing something? Because it looks like it closes in the most awkward way possible.
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readingatwork posted:
I just assumed the screen magically rotates because Japanese technology. Edit: Actually, this can just be answered by "Japanese technology."
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Nov 26, 2015 06:15
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2005 was a scary, scary time.
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Japan's always had more... interesting cellphones than the west has. For better and for worse.
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The phones with TV tuners generally had rotating screens.
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I have watched: -all of the first series I am pretty sure -a good chunk of the second one (ditching your destined partner to create a cooler one made of bits and pieces of other digimon felt like pure loving evil to young me) -a bunch of the third one All of these in dub versions. Now, I hear that the dub butchers Mimi's character something fierce; that being said, I am considering rewatching them and eventually take a gander at the newer ones. Any recommendation on wheter dubs or subs are more appropriate?
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paradoxGentleman posted:I have watched: I'll always have a place in my heart for the dubs but subs are without a doubt the way to go.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I have watched: Honestly Mimi wasn't butchered. It's just the difference between Japanese Girly and American Girly. One thing that's very striking to me about Tri, having never seen anything but the dub for season 1, is that the characters are all still spot on. The dub did a very good job staying faithful to them all, I think anyways- they just were a bit more chatty at times.
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Nov 26, 2015 17:34
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The dubs are better, imo. They are very good dubs.
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Burkion posted:Honestly Mimi wasn't butchered. Could you elaborate on this a bit? I am not familiar with Japanese culture. I only know that she seemed incredibly incompetent and whiny in the dub I remember and it apparently wasn't so in the original.
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paradoxGentleman posted:Could you elaborate on this a bit? I am not familiar with Japanese culture. I only know that she seemed incredibly incompetent and whiny in the dub I remember and it apparently wasn't so in the original. Let me tell you this- there really isn't MUCH of a difference beyond cultural weirdness. I can't speak to the exact specifics because I haven't seen the sub, I'm just guessing based on Tri and the Dub. Mimi in the original might not have been as outspoken and loud, as she seems a bit more restrained in Tri- but that could also just be her maturing. Because here's the thing, Mimi is awesome no matter the language. How she says what she says is the only difference- what she does is absolute. In both I feel confident enough to say, she is a very true to herself kind of person, very sincere and not at all worried about what she says bothering others. Mimi is the kind of person who would honestly not mention she had survival gear just because she didn't think they really needed it, and reacts to danger and threats by steeling her resolve and standing them down. She literally constructs an army of Digimon to combat the Dark Masters with only Joe by her side. The only time she freaks out, it isn't because things are scary or dangerous, it's because people they know and love are getting hurt and she wants it to stop. Mimi is, in any language, a force of personality that you either gel with or you don't. And the fantastic thing about her is that she's feminine as gently caress and that doesn't factor INTO her force of personality at all. She just is.
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mikeycp posted:The dubs are better, imo. They are very good dubs. I remember giving 01 a bit of a look awhile ago on Netflix and it struck me just how much Digital Monsters never shuts the gently caress up. It was especially noticeable comparing the Hasoda episode between Digital Monsters and Adventure.
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The dub is really good, especially when it mentions Mimi's little brother or Tai's dog. Or when it changes the soundtrack to garbage. Or even better, when it gives splash sounds to what is very clearly fire. I don't get why anyone defends this beyond sheer nostalgia. I'm not even that big of an Adventure fan and what that dub did still looks terrible to me.
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Blaze Dragon posted:The dub is really good, especially when it mentions Mimi's little brother or Tai's dog. Or when it changes the soundtrack to garbage. Or even better, when it gives splash sounds to what is very clearly fire. Yes indeed. It was very good. So deliciously camp! Ah, memories... 
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Folt The Bolt posted:Yes indeed. So deliciously crap! Fixed.
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Am I out of luck watching Adventure 01/02 in japanese now? Apparently Netflix dropped the support on it a few months back and CR only has the dub as well. e: vvv Got it, thanks 
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Emalde posted:Am I out of luck watching Adventure 01/02 in japanese now? Apparently Netflix dropped the support on it a few months back and CR only has the dub as well. You'd have to look at Other Places to find it subbed. It's one of the main reasons I stalled out on watching it.
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I always preferred the dub. They had one or two regular voice actors without going overboard on Those People Who Are In Every Dub. The Japanese voices have one or two people who are Obviously Adults and I don't like the music as much (kicking theme song aside.)
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Nov 26, 2015 20:59
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And honestly much of the early flubs are entirely because the dubbers didn't know what was going to happen later in the series, such as Mimi's nonexistent brother (the bad singing voice is an error on the ORIGINAL side, if you want to play that card) and what not. By the time of Myotismon almost all of those rough areas are gone, and you just have a really drat good dub especially for the time it was made. The only real stumbling block is Apoclymon, where they super doubled down on the cheese because of what a disturbing character he is. The Tamers Dub is superior, to me at least, if only for Steve Blume's voice work.
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Burkion posted:And honestly much of the early flubs are entirely because the dubbers didn't know what was going to happen later in the series, such as Mimi's nonexistent brother (the bad singing voice is an error on the ORIGINAL side, if you want to play that card) and what not. By the time of Myotismon almost all of those rough areas are gone, and you just have a really drat good dub especially for the time it was made. The Tamers dub really is pretty great, though it still is a pretty different experience from the original. I found that the jokes usually hit pretty well and in a few cases I think the dialogue in some serious scenes was better than the original. As far as accuracy goes though I think Savers/Data Squad is the dub with the least amount of creative liberties/added jokes.
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paradoxGentleman posted:I have watched: Currently rewatching through Adventure in Japanese myself right now, and having gone through episode 15 at this point, the main difference between Dub and Original Mimi that I've noticed so far is that JP Mimi is a bit of a weirdo, like her putting sugar and Natto on her eggs, although Jou's even more of one in my opinion, what with his rant about how one only needs salt and pepper for your eggs instead of what the other kids prefer, and indeed he pretty much spent most of the File Island arc teetering on the edge of insanity with his constant insistence that there had to be other humans on the island, hopefully that'll die down now that they are on Server cause it was getting old Overall one of the biggest differences between Dub and JP I've noticed is that the age differences between the children are a lot more noticeable in the original script(back in the day I hadn't even realized that Jou was a year older than everyone else until partway into 02, and didn't know that Koushiro and Mimi were a year younger than Taichi, Yamato, and Sora until very recently, indeed the dub often made it seem like Mimi was older than most of the group), also the Digimon in general have fairly different personalities between Dub and JP And one last thing that I've noticed is just how jazzy a lot of the non-vocal soundtrack is(also that the show uses a lot of Gundam sound effects at times), that combined with the really drat good background art the show has, brings a surprisingly comfy vibe to everything
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Hitlersaurus Christ posted:The Tamers dub really is pretty great, though it still is a pretty different experience from the original. I found that the jokes usually hit pretty well and in a few cases I think the dialogue in some serious scenes was better than the original. As far as accuracy goes though I think Savers/Data Squad is the dub with the least amount of creative liberties/added jokes. Except of course the infamous BomberNanimon/Citramon episode(which was admittedly pretty creative of them to do)
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