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Where should I go with Ishiguro after The Remains of the Day? Heard mixed things about Never Let me Go and apparently The Buried Giant is pretty terrible.
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:Where should I go with Ishiguro after The Remains of the Day? Heard mixed things about Never Let me Go and apparently The Buried Giant is pretty terrible. Never Let me Go is pretty good it gets the Mudkiper seal of approval
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Nov 21, 2015 00:50
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:Where should I go with Ishiguro after The Remains of the Day? Heard mixed things about Never Let me Go and apparently The Buried Giant is pretty terrible. I just finished The Buried Giant and I wouldn't call it terrible but you'd be better off reading Never Let me Go first.
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Nov 21, 2015 01:30
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Yeah Never Let Me Go is real good although I also need to read Remains of the Day. Opposite problems!
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Nov 21, 2015 01:32
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CestMoi posted:I haven't had a job for 4 days and I have read half of the Sickness Unto Death, 2 Cosmicomics, played 20 hours of Binding of Isaac and watched the entirety of season 3 of House, M.D. Being unemployed rules 
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Nov 22, 2015 03:18
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Burning Rain posted:binding of isaac owns It does.
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So I finished off Never Let Me Go over a couple of sittings this weekend and I can see why it's polarising. It's a bit of an odd novel; sort of a cross between dystopian science fiction and a more traditional coming-of-age story. For that reason I'm not quite sure how to read it. My first thoughts were that the novel is essentially about how society tends to restrict people into following pre-determined paths in their lives. But I do find the suspension of disbelief here a bit difficult - the idea that all these intelligent and well-educated young people would willingly go like lemmings to be harvested for their organs. Or are we meant to believe that the clones were medically programmed to be submissive? This lends itself to a more dystopian reading but seems a bit out of tone given that throughout most of the novel the dystopian elements of the story are firmly in the background. Ishiguro's biggest strength is how he describes human interaction and relationships so I think Never Let Me Go would probably have worked better in an entirely real-world setting rather than bringing in all the alternate history clone poo poo. For this reason I think Remains of the Day is far superior - it presents similar themes with much more clarity. Less complex, sure, but more effective as well.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:01
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Stravinsky posted:Being unemployed rules It does.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:02
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I'm pissed off at that guy breaking my posting combo to talk about a book I have never heard of. The Cosmicomics are really fantastic and even better than I thought they'd be, I thought it'd just be "here's a fact and some nice prose about that" but it's way more into taking it in interesting directions and nice metaphors and talking about love and whatever and also it has nice prose.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:15
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Lol if you think you need genetic programming to convince people to go like lemmings to be harvested.
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Nov 22, 2015 15:19
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Mr. Squishy posted:Lol if you think you need genetic programming to convince people to go like lemmings to be harvested. I know goons have a pretty negative view of human behaviour but Jesus Christ. If you are marked for death, are not under surveillance and can blend into the rest of the population you would not even consider the prospect of escape? Not to mention that the characters in this book are otherwise represented as creative, perceptive and cultured - not exactly brainwashed lemmings. Nah, it makes total sense that they would instead try and get a deferral from death from the woman from their school whom they haven't seen for ten-fifteen years. The novel is otherwise strong in many aspects but in this particular respect it stretches the suspension of disbelief at the very best.
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Nov 22, 2015 16:07
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Newgrounds baby feetus bad
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Nov 22, 2015 16:48
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It's good, and what's more, so is the Sefer Yetzirah.
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Nov 22, 2015 19:24
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I think you're missing the point of Ishiguro books, which is that people are passive and just let poo poo happen to them until they suddenly have an epiphany that their life is awful. I finished The Red and the Black by Stendhal, and I'd recommend it to anyone who is considering a priesthood but is still open to the idea of seducing women with a series of 54 letters you got from your friend who is a Russian count.
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:I know goons have a pretty negative view of human behaviour but Jesus Christ. If you are marked for death, are not under surveillance and can blend into the rest of the population you would not even consider the prospect of escape? Not to mention that the characters in this book are otherwise represented as creative, perceptive and cultured - not exactly brainwashed lemmings. Nah, it makes total sense that they would instead try and get a deferral from death from the woman from their school whom they haven't seen for ten-fifteen years. The novel is otherwise strong in many aspects but in this particular respect it stretches the suspension of disbelief at the very best. The entire premise of the novel is about how their existence creates a submission to the existing system. They are creative and intelligence but they have also been raised from birth to never fully understand the full scope of what they are and to view their inevitable fate as a benevolent necessity. Hell, the final thought of the main character is to toss aside her sadness as selfish and childish. Ex-Priest Tobin posted:Ishiguro's biggest strength is how he describes human interaction and relationships so I think Never Let Me Go would probably have worked better in an entirely real-world setting rather than bringing in all the alternate history clone poo poo. For this reason I think Remains of the Day is far superior - it presents similar themes with much more clarity. Less complex, sure, but more effective as well. How would Never Let Me Go be better without what is the entire story of Never Let Me go? Its like saying For Whom the Bell Tolls would be better without all that war stuff.
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Nov 22, 2015 22:25
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I think both those books would be better not existing, along w/ many others.
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Nov 23, 2015 00:57
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much like your posting
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Nov 23, 2015 01:12
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I need more book of the month suggestions but this time they have to be books people can buy easily and also books people will want to read I should probably be asking in the star wars novel thread shouldn't I
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Nov 23, 2015 01:18
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I need more book of the month suggestions but this time they have to be books people can buy easily and also books people will want to read The following books are all available in paperback and contain enough references to fantasy roleplaying to satisfy the TBB-er: Wolf in the White Van The Prague Cemetery Bridge of Birds
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Nov 23, 2015 01:33
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I need more book of the month suggestions but this time they have to be books people can buy easily and also books people will want to read Hey I tried!
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Nov 23, 2015 02:04
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oh just put up The Plague by Camus or something
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Nov 23, 2015 08:19
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do City of Bohane.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:27
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maybe something by Chabon? He's a perennial goonfav and hasn't had any BotM as far as i can see. probably Yiddish Policeman's Union would be better than Kavalier & Clay due to the size.
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Nov 23, 2015 08:28
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or a novel about foot fetishists, i guess. should bring new crowds to TBB
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V. Illych L. posted:oh just put up The Plague by Camus or something I would participate if it was this Burning Rain posted:or a novel about foot fetishists, i guess. should bring new crowds to TBB Or this
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Nov 23, 2015 10:43
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Do babyfucker by Urs allemann
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Nov 23, 2015 11:36
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Burning Rain posted:maybe something by Chabon? He's a perennial goonfav and hasn't had any BotM as far as i can see. probably Yiddish Policeman's Union would be better than Kavalier & Clay due to the size. Gentlemen of the Road it is
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Ex-Priest Tobin posted:So I finished off Never Let Me Go over a couple of sittings this weekend and I can see why it's polarising. It's a bit of an odd novel; sort of a cross between dystopian science fiction and a more traditional coming-of-age story. You're saying that this novel about absurdity... is absurd  Congratulations for trying to apply bootstrap logic to a metaphor.
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Nov 23, 2015 16:03
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From a tactical realism point of view, they should have escaped to higher ground since zombies are bad at climbing
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Gentlemen of the Road it is OH neat, good pick
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I need more book of the month suggestions but this time they have to be books people can buy easily and also books people will want to read Just do Invisible Cities again and keep doing it I liked that one
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Nov 25, 2015 17:42
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Wolf in White Van is pretty good though.
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A whole buncha people on this forum really like a book about an obsessive hideous shut-in who lives vicariously through RPGs Just gonna let that hover in the air for abit
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Stravinsky posted:I think I'm going to read the Good Terrorists now because terrorism is cool and very in right now plus I tripped on it reminding me that I owned it I could recommend The Reluctant Fundamentalist by Mohsin Hamid, which I remembered being pretty good when I read it two years ago. It's a short read too so you're not going to be terribly committed.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:A whole buncha people on this forum really like a book about an obsessive hideous shut-in who lives vicariously through RPGs Wolf In White Van : Literature thread :: Ready Player One : Babby thread
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Mel Mudkiper posted:A whole buncha people on this forum really like a book about an obsessive hideous shut-in who lives vicariously through RPGs Yeah, goons are unbelievably obsessed with escapist fiction, your point?
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ulvir posted:discovering that the plague is better than the stranger This post is from like 3 months ago but this was exactly my reaction to Camus. I was completely indifferent to The Stranger and I loved The Plague. I tried to read The Fall but the second person narrative was weird V. Illych L. posted:oh just put up The Plague by Camus or something I second this I finished The Master & Margarita yesterday and, while I enjoyed it thoroughly, I know that my depth of understanding of the book was lacking due to my unfamiliarity with much of the mores of Soviet Russia that the book is steeped in. The book is usually billed as a satire, but the satirical elements were a bit lost on me. There is an obvious dig at the atheistic Soviet attitudes, but I don't quite see how those elements are satirized. The book reads like a Pagan-themed fantasy novel at parts, and the whole ball scene played out in my mind like something out of an animated movie. Heath fucked around with this message at 10:10 on Nov 29, 2015 |
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You guys should read All That Followed by Gabriel Urza Its really good
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