|
Defenestration posted:
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:27
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 10:44 |
|
|
Radish posted:The "Armed society is a police society" idea is designed so that "certain people" get to have unrestricted access to guns and "other people" get to be assumed to have guns which is why they can be killed for being dangerous regardless of if they are armed or not. Twelve year olds being executed by police for holding toy guns and the justice system siding with the cops while white guys get to walk into Starbucks packing rifles and no one cares is the result of this. Good point there. I forgot that racism/classism and the Just World Fallacy didn't exist until the invention of guns. Oh, wait, you're just a dipshit.  The entire notion is actually and erroneously predicated on the simple notion that if everyone is equally lethal (hence 'armed', as arms can help equalize physical disparities) then all actions must be carefully considered lest you be killed in a straight up murder or duel. However, this entire scenario exists in a vacuum of privilege because it doesn't account for either the singular advantage afforded by lucky genetics or upbringing (you're a six-foot two duelist from a wealthy family that could afford fencing tutors and lots of time to practice? that five-foot four cobbler that has barely held a sword doesn't have a chance!) or the group/class advantage afforded either to born or appointed members that have special dispensation to kill and reduced consequences (if any) for murder of members of the outgroup. Extrajudicial killings by members of the state, from police to samurai to musketeers have never been because a weapon was put into their hands - they happen because they are indoctrinated into a divided worldview where the lives of an outgroup are devalued to disposability, and this attitude reinforced by the legal outcomes of the same social/government system that indoctrinated them in the first place. You were so close to it, though, which is frustrating. Its like you selected the right response and Regis says 'Final Answer?' and in the moment of doubt choose the worst possible answer. You keep alluding to and dancing around the word 'racism' and then just as I think you're going in for the point you just veer off. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:31
|
|
|
I really just had to comment on how dumb this is.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:32
|
|
|
I wrote up a response but then realized that participating in an idiotic gun derail is stupid. I should have known I was setting off LeJackal's Gun Signal by even mentioning self-defense advocates and now I'm admitting my mistake and shutting up.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:49
|
|
|
LeJackal posted:Good point there. I forgot that racism/classism and the Just World Fallacy didn't exist until the invention of guns. Oh, wait, you're just a dipshit. Missed the 300m silhouette on that one. He was pointing out a legitimate flaw in the idea of 'Sam Colt made everyone equal' with the fact that arming folks doesn't erase or relieve the engrained societal differences that allow black teens walking away from a cop to get shot 16 times while a group of shitheels can carry rifles into a Chipotle and then call anyone who doesn't like it an oversensitive liberal. It's a legitimate argument against the opd addage, especially since poo poo like duels of honor don't happen in our society anymore. In other words; LeJackal, make the thread.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:53
|
|
|
LeJackal posted:Good point there. I forgot that racism/classism and the Just World Fallacy didn't exist until the invention of guns. Oh, wait, you're just a dipshit. If they did exist before the invention of guns, and I'm willing to stipulate that they did, it doesn't actually take away from his argument. And I'm pretty sure it's beside the point anyway. But you just get back to posting your gun defense porn. It must be extra confusing growing up gay and ammosexual.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 15:55
|
|
|
Radish posted:I wrote up a response but then realized that participating in an idiotic gun derail is stupid. I should have known I was setting off LeJackal's Gun Signal by even mentioning self-defense advocates and now I'm admitting my mistake and shutting up.  I hope LeJackal can see this, because I am doing it as hard as I can.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 16:19
|
|
|
Coming from the group that clamored around Paul Ryan pretending to wash dishes. 
xergm fucked around with this message at 16:32 on Dec 21, 2015 |
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 16:24
|
|
|
Radish posted:I wrote up a response but then realized that participating in an idiotic gun derail is stupid. I should have known I was setting off LeJackal's Gun Signal by even mentioning self-defense advocates and now I'm admitting my mistake and shutting up. Whats even funnier is that if you had avoided guns and used 'arms' instead your original point of Radish posted:designed so that "certain people" get to have unrestricted access to would have have had a lot more rhetorical heft because there is a ton of historical precedent for 'certain people' (the rich and privileged) to have unrestricted access to arms and their uses while 'certain people' (of the wrong race or class) were barred. This would have more closely adhered to your point about ingrained racism, but you fumbled at the 5 yard line. I mean, I agree with your ability to see the problem, but I have issues with your short-sighted tracking to its root. Its like you're complaining about pay disparity and suggesting their pay gets lowered, rather than everyone be treated equally. J.A.B.C. posted:In other words; LeJackal, make the thread. The thread has been made and was shut down by mod fiat. There is no way such a thread can exist on this subforum because certain opinions run counter to the established group consensus, and posters that deviate from it are targeted for probations/bans. It's not going to happen.  Nevvy Z posted:It must be extra confusing growing up gay and ammosexual. Only if you're incapable of seeing past petty tribalism and understanding that people are actually complex organizations of thoughts, beliefs, and feelings.....just like you. Empathy is hard, I know, but try at least. LeJackal fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Dec 21, 2015 |
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:12
|
|
|
LeJackal posted:The thread has been made and was shut down by mod fiat. There is no way such a thread can exist on this subforum because certain opinions run counter to the established group consensus, and posters that deviate from it are targeted for probations/bans. Hmm. Yes. It's a conspiracy. Sounds legit.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:21
|
|
|
Doctor Butts posted:Hmm. Yes. It's a conspiracy. Do you work on a farm? Thats a drat fine strawman. Feast your eyes on this repost from my uncle on facebook. 
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:26
|
|
|
Same Matt Walsh? http://www.huffingtonpost.com/matt-walsh/bad-customer-service_b_3799574.html?ncid=fcbklnkushpmg00000063 
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:29
|
|
|
Goddammit it happened again! Turn left thread noooooooo
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:33
|
|
|
I was at Whole Foods the other day, which is supposed to be my little liberal sanctuary, but at the olive bar there was this fat, middle-aged man wearing what I could best describe as a tactical fedora? I don't know, he was dressed like he was out for some classy adventure, like Indiana Jones. Anyway, he was open-carrying a knife while loading up a box with fancy olives. It looked really easy to take from him. And by it I mean the knife. I don't think you could prize those olives away from him. I don't know what was going on in his mind that made him feel safe or made him feel like he was protecting others. He probably practices drawing his knife really fast in the mirror and thinks it looks pretty good while totally ignoring the awkwardness of his geometry. It looked so easy I was so tempted. It was just out there on his ample hip and his stubby little arms were busy with olives, so impossibly far from his knife.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 17:56
|
|
|
LeJackal posted:Do you work on a farm? Thats a drat fine strawman. Unless you have proof that gun threads aren't looked kindly upon because, and I quote, "certain opinions run counter to the established group consensus, and posters that deviate from it are targeted for probations/bans" and not because, say, certain posters are caustic individuals who actively worsen the threads and communities they participate in then you are, in fact, engaging in conspiracy thinking. So no, he was spot on.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 18:03
|
|
|
So a friend of mine posted some macro that said "If women make 77 cents for every dollar a man makes. Why would anyone ever employ men. But that's none of my business" Thankfully the background wasn't that loving Kermit sipping tea. But holy gently caress I'm seeing more and more guys I knows fall into this MRA bullshit
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 18:06
|
|
|
Who What Now posted:Unless you have proof that gun threads aren't looked kindly upon because, and I quote, "certain opinions run counter to the established group consensus, and posters that deviate from it are targeted for probations/bans" and not because, say, certain posters are caustic individuals who actively worsen the threads and communities they participate in then you are, in fact, engaging in conspiracy thinking. So no, he was spot on. You're allowed to post, aren't you?
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 18:07
|
|
|
So no.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 18:49
|
|
|
Kurt_Cobain posted:Cops have a guy on the ground Nevvy Z posted:Or just this. Or this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vmd1qMN5Yo0
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 20:31
|
|
Who What Now posted:Unless you have proof that gun threads aren't looked kindly upon because, and I quote, "certain opinions run counter to the established group consensus, and posters that deviate from it are targeted for probations/bans" and not because, say, certain posters are caustic individuals who actively worsen the threads and communities they participate in then you are, in fact, engaging in conspiracy thinking. So no, he was spot on. What's funny is the "certain posters" he might name, and those you're thinking of, are probably on opposite ends of the debate.
|
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 23:06
|
|
|
Armyman25 posted:What's funny is the "certain posters" he might name, and those you're thinking of, are probably on opposite ends of the debate. Nah, the anti-gun posters always going on ironically championing for gun owners to be able to exercise their rights to blow their brains out is equally tiring and unfunny and D&D is a better forum without those posts.
|
|
#
?
Dec 21, 2015 23:38
|
|
|
LeJackal posted:Good point there. I forgot that racism/classism and the Just World Fallacy didn't exist until the invention of guns. Oh, wait, you're just a dipshit. Shut the gently caress up, LeJackal.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 00:01
|
|
|
Bast Relief posted:I was at Whole Foods the other day, which is supposed to be my little liberal sanctuary, but at the olive bar there was this fat, middle-aged man wearing what I could best describe as a tactical fedora? I don't know, he was dressed like he was out for some classy adventure, like Indiana Jones. Anyway, he was open-carrying a knife while loading up a box with fancy olives. Holy poo poo I'm not the only one! The urge to kick these fat nerds in the knee and steal their toy is just so almost overwhelming. I'm not a bully lord knows, but let's be super super clear here: the ONLY reason you CAN carry your toy in public is because we are so safe. If we lived in a truly dangerous society chubsy wubsy over there with his trenchcoat would be taken out first and his toy used to do some actual damage.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 00:40
|
|
|
So I'm not going to post it for obvious reasons, but I encountered a strange one from my cousin today. It depicts Obama lying in a casket with the caption "The Most Celebrated Holiday in American History." How could someone post that and not get a meet and greet from the Secret Service?
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 01:45
|
|
|
xergm posted:So I'm not going to post it for obvious reasons, but I encountered a strange one from my cousin today. Plausible deniability. It doesn't say (unless you left something out) that "I'm going to commit the act and thus create a 'holiday'", just that "When Obama dies, we'll celebrate". Presumably as a corollary to people freaking out when Reagan/Thatcher died.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 01:54
|
|
|
The thread was shut down because the interesting discussion had run its course and all that was left was an apparently limitless supply of really lovely posts. We still have another open gun thread though, if you're feeling up for it.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 03:01
|
|
|
Yeah LeJackal pull the trigger, make the thread.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 04:19
|
|
|
"What's this about guns being dangerous?" _______/ 
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 04:25
|
|
|
SSNeoman posted:Yeah LeJackal pull the trigger, make the thread. If only the forums Illuminati wasn't conspiring against him and his awful gun posts 
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 05:12
|
|
|
Duke Igthorn posted:Holy poo poo I'm not the only one! The urge to kick these fat nerds in the knee and steal their toy is just so almost overwhelming. I'm not a bully lord knows, but let's be super super clear here: the ONLY reason you CAN carry your toy in public is because we are so safe. If we lived in a truly dangerous society chubsy wubsy over there with his trenchcoat would be taken out first and his toy used to do some actual damage. Exactly. I got really close to him too, because I was trying to get to the cheese, not because I was actually, really tempted to take his knife. He didn't react to my proximity at all. Maybe he did an ocular pat down and assessed my threat level correctly. Still, a lot of sketchy people come to that particular store due to the location and availability of bathrooms. Inside or outside the store, I'd say that guy actually makes himself a bigger target. Anyway, I remain to be convinced that relying on citizens to protect citizens with weapons is going to reduce mayhem in public places. Saw a bumper sticker today in liberal land claiming "guns save lives" and on the same car "Jesus is coming." I just feel like the people who want to arm themselves to protect other citizens probably wouldn't be all that good at or capable of being effective.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 06:03
|
|
|
Bast Relief posted:Exactly. I got really close to him too, because I was trying to get to the cheese, not because I was actually, really tempted to take his knife. He didn't react to my proximity at all. Maybe he did an ocular pat down and assessed my threat level correctly. Still, a lot of sketchy people come to that particular store due to the location and availability of bathrooms. Inside or outside the store, I'd say that guy actually makes himself a bigger target. So he was actually wearing like a big bowie knife or a ka-bar or something on him? Not just a leatherman or other multitool? I mean, I've got a skeletool that I'll bring places because it's an amazingly handy piece of metal, but I'd never walk around in public pretending to be Crocodile Dundee or something stupid.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 06:15
|
|
|
drat this fat guy no one actually spoke to is getting roasted. Savage.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 06:16
|
|
|
inkblot posted:So he was actually wearing like a big bowie knife or a ka-bar or something on him? Not just a leatherman or other multitool? I mean, I've got a skeletool that I'll bring places because it's an amazingly handy piece of metal, but I'd never walk around in public pretending to be Crocodile Dundee or something stupid. quote:For the last 3 days in a row (four including today) I was looking for a dog to adopt at the Bonnie L. Hays Animal Shelter (1901 SE 24th Ave Hillsboro, OR).
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 06:19
|
|
"
|
xergm posted:So I'm not going to post it for obvious reasons, but I encountered a strange one from my cousin today. My aunt posts a lot of political stuff on Facebook, mostly about how Obama is terrible. She recently posted this screed in all-caps that ended with "LOCK N LOAD!" I was waiting for her to get a visit from the Secret Service, but she ended up editing it out.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 06:26
|
|
|
Why the gently caress does it take 4 days to adopt a dog?! For every dog I ever adopted we spent maybe 3 hours at the shelter. And being asked to take off a knife the size of a newborn baby rocked this man to his soul? What a pussy.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 09:22
|
|
|
VorpalBunny posted:Why the gently caress does it take 4 days to adopt a dog?! For every dog I ever adopted we spent maybe 3 hours at the shelter. well it's rude to ask people to leave their comfort items or animals at home if they really need them to function. you know about therapy dogs? think of it as a therapy knife.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 09:32
|
|
|
inkblot posted:So he was actually wearing like a big bowie knife or a ka-bar or something on him? Not just a leatherman or other multitool? I mean, I've got a skeletool that I'll bring places because it's an amazingly handy piece of metal, but I'd never walk around in public pretending to be Crocodile Dundee or something stupid. It was in some showy hand-tooled leather holster. The edge of the blade was clearly outlined, so I wouldn't think it was was a multitool.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 10:09
|
|
|
I noticed a pretty gruesome image in my feed the other day which claimed to be a photo a of former US ambassador to Libya Chris Stevens getting his balls electrocuted with a cattle prod during the Benghazi attack. And of course it's Hillary's fault and just imagine how she'll treat the rest of us (she's gonna electrocute all American balls, fellas). I won't post the image because it's totally  but you probably know the one. Incidentally it's probably against Facebook's terms of use as well. (Looked it up later and apparently it's from some torture resistance training session in Argentina? - so not even real.) Also some rubbish about "The Pentagon" being ready to go into Benghazi and, you know, stop the whole thing and rescue everyone, but OBAMA and HILLARY ordered them to stand down because... well because they're just evil as poo poo I guess. Like, maybe Barry figured a successful attack on the embassy would improve his chances in the 2012 election? Honestly I don't even know what the purported reason for allowing the attacks to happen is supposed to be  but I guess they just really loving hated Chris and Sean and so let them die, even against their own self interest, or something.Anyway I touched the poop and it didn't go well. I did remain civil, starting out with literally "That is not a photo of Christopher Stevens" and nothing else. Wasn't long before Snopes was invoked as a leftist plot orchestrated by billionaire Marxocapitalist George Soros. I did not mention Snopes first, and in fact I didn't look at the Snopes entry about this until all was over. I did, however, defend Snopes, pointing out that a site like that doesn't really need billionaire backing, and that there is no reason to think their funding model is anything other than what they say it is i.e. ad-supported. Finally, I pointed out that just because a crank with readership says a thing on the Internet, doesn't make it so. Pretty uncontroversial I would hope. That about wraps it up... the result? There was some last message posted that I never read, because the entire thread was deleted. Then, this person unfriended me. Then, they blocked me from their profile. I also think they might have reported me to Facebook because I strangely enough had trouble posting a totally unrelated link the next day. The person? My own father. Kilroy fucked around with this message at 11:52 on Dec 22, 2015 |
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 11:50
|
|
|
http://www.returnofkings.com/75440/38-pictures-that-show-the-decline-of-america-since-the-1950s Its banner is a Dees photoshop. Love the good ol' days.
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 13:49
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 8, 2024 10:44 |
|
|
Wanamingo posted:STDH.txt As a middle class white male I feel just like the minorities I have been oppressing because I couldn't have my Also how do you nod "deeply" in agreement?
|
|
#
?
Dec 22, 2015 14:04
|
|
