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Top City Homo posted:let me tell you something buddy or i s it "comrade" with you people? Because of socialist rationing we can only work up enough saliva for a light drizzle.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 03:48 |
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Top City Homo posted:let me tell you something buddy or i s it "comrade" with you people? i like "citizen" a la the french first republic but whatever floats your boat mate
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 07:24 |
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Jewel Repetition posted:I would agree but, I don't have anything against anyone in this thread in particular, just the ideology of communism. The ideology of communism is imagined by you with no actual knowledge of it. Homework Explainer posted:i like "citizen" a la the french first republic but whatever floats your boat mate I think we should go with "Blood" or "Cuz" depending on gang affiliation preference. Both are gender and status neutral.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 12:21 |
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Homework Explainer posted:i like "citizen" a la the french first republic but whatever floats your boat mate can i be first citizen like you know, just temporarily
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 12:25 |
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team overhead smash posted:The ideology of communism is imagined by you with no actual knowledge of it.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 12:34 |
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Why are the PSL trashing sanders? He's running on a campaign that he calls 'socialism', and he's putting the idea back into the heads of Americans that, hey, maybe the economy should serve the interests of the people, not the other way around. Sanders is the path to Full Communism.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 13:54 |
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rudatron posted:Why are the PSL trashing sanders? He's running on a campaign that he calls 'socialism' Unfortunately nobody else calls it that
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 14:00 |
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Does that actually matter though? Who cares at this point, this is a real awakening, quibbling over jargon is idiotic. Win or lose, it's a sea change in how the relationship between politics and the economy is viewed, a sea change that's been needed for a long rear end time.
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Actual socialist parties care, apparently
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 14:06 |
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Maybe they shouldn't? Means and ends. But, while I'm here:Jewel Repetition posted:Horseshoe theory riddle of the day: they want to literally kill an entire group of people just for who they are, even if they haven't done anything wrong. Am I talking about fascists and blacks/jews or socialists and the bourgeoisie?
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 14:10 |
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rudatron posted:Does that actually matter though? Who cares at this point, this is a real awakening, quibbling over jargon is idiotic. Win or lose, it's a sea change in how the relationship between politics and the economy is viewed, a sea change that's been needed for a long rear end time. I don't know, aren't you the one quibbling over jargon? His policies aren't socialist. Why should people care just because of the name he calls it, the label he sticks on? If the policies he wants to enact are just a softer form of capitalism which, while admirable in isolation, do nothing to support socialism then there is no more reason for socialists to vote for him than any leftist capitalist.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 14:11 |
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I'd still say Sanders is important, because revolutionary change will never be possible unless enough people believe that a government can deliver vital services efficiently. I don't think it can be understated how massively retarded Americans are when it comes to capitalist indoctrination.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 15:42 |
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rudatron posted:Why are the PSL trashing sanders? He's running on a campaign that he calls 'socialism', and he's putting the idea back into the heads of Americans that, hey, maybe the economy should serve the interests of the people, not the other way around. I don't really trash Sanders but he's absolutely not the path to communism. He's a byproduct, a symptom of the fact that the two parties don't actually address the needs of Americans. The fact that American labor aristocracy is flying apart at the seams is the simplest restatement of the reason for his (and Trump's) success. But as more people look to the Left, it will rise the political fortunes of people like Sanders quite considerably. The key is to then move past that; as he is, Sanders if elected President would be about as effectual as Tsipiras was a year ago in Greece. Frightening to the powers that be, but unwilling to confront them directly and thus ineffective. What's particularly interesting about Sanders is he got into the election to push Hillary a smudge to the left. Instead, Sanders was pushed to the left, and Hillary has pivoted right towards a likely victory. This does not bode well for people arguing that it is possible to change the Democratic Party from within, or that it is an effective organ for change, or that people don't want radical left-wing solutions. People want socialism but the Democratic Party cannot deliver it.
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I'd still say Sanders is important, because revolutionary change will never be possible unless enough people believe that a government can deliver vital services efficiently. I don't think it can be understated how massively retarded Americans are when it comes to capitalist indoctrination. In 1904 your average Russian peasant was a patriotic, God-fearing, Czar-loving sort. By 1917, this was no longer the case.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 17:13 |
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rudatron posted:Why are the PSL trashing sanders? He's running on a campaign that he calls 'socialism', and he's putting the idea back into the heads of Americans that, hey, maybe the economy should serve the interests of the people, not the other way around.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 17:30 |
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:In 1904 your average Russian peasant was a patriotic, God-fearing, Czar-loving sort. By 1917, this was no longer the case. Cultivating a revolution in a Semi-Feudal agrarian society, before television, radio, and the internet is by comparison really loving easy when compared to what we're dealing with now. Propaganda, like all other industries, has only become more capital-intensive over the last century and it's practically impossible to disseminate socialist ideas except through direct contact either in person or over social media. It's impossible to even set up a permanent public presence anymore to radicalize the populace, since Occupy was crushed and had its libraries burned. Early 20th Century Communists could also rely on a strong base of Proletarian support, and Proletariat class consciousness just doesn't exist anymore after a century of ubiquitous Red Scare propaganda. In the realm of possibility, Sanders represents a hard direction in the public consciousness towards the Left, and it's something that can be built upon. Plus I really need that healthcare.
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 17:49 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Cultivating a revolution in a Semi-Feudal agrarian society, before television, radio, and the internet is by comparison really loving easy when compared to what we're dealing with now. Propaganda, like all other industries, has only become more capital-intensive over the last century and it's practically impossible to disseminate socialist ideas except through direct contact either in person or over social media. *floats by* the cia and nsa monitor social media, please keep this in mind at all times!!!!! *floats away*
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Homework Explainer posted:*floats by* the cia and nsa monitor social media, please keep this in mind at all times!!!!! *floats away* If I'm not already on some kind of Watch List I'd be pretty disappointed.
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DOCTOR ZIMBARDO posted:In 1904 your average Russian peasant was a patriotic, God-fearing, Czar-loving sort. By 1917, this was no longer the case. because in 1905 the czarist guards on the czars orders, slaughtered peaceful marching women and children and destroyed their illusion that the czar will save them from the evil nobility the great depression was supposed to do the same for the US but we had the Red Scares and the Cold War so by the time the great recession hit there were no one left to sharpen the guillotines
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 19:49 |
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Homework Explainer posted:*floats by* the cia and nsa monitor social media, please keep this in mind at all times!!!!! *floats away* i love when you use those *emotes* in threads its endearing and really wakes up the imagination juice because i just imagined a talking frog floating by budwisering about the monitoring everything
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# ? Jan 30, 2016 19:52 |
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My main point was just that most Americans are going to cool off on imperialism and liberalism alike real fast as the labor aristocracy peels apart, regardless of how indoctrinated they seem now. Regardless of anyone's organizational formula or party line. In fact that's the big thing I think we are seeing in this election cycle as the two parties and mainstream ideology are rejected by voters to a degree not seen in about a hundred years.
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# ? Feb 1, 2016 02:33 |
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It's no secret that Liberalism is in a crisis, and is completely unprepared to deal with it.
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 14:38 |
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the purpose of the democratic party is to negotiate with social movements in order to destroy them; the purpose of the republican party is to prevent social movements in the first place, by redirecting legitimate grievances to nonsensical places in either case, the purpose of the parties is to prevent a revolutionary social movement
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 21:49 |
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Mofabio posted:the purpose of the democratic party is to negotiate with social movements in order to destroy them; the purpose of the republican party is to prevent social movements in the first place, by redirecting legitimate grievances to nonsensical places *liberal voice* this is true, but thankfully we can vote our way out of this pickle. the system works
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:05 |
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What we need is someone pragmatic enough to negotiate her way out of this partisan gridlock!
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# ? Feb 3, 2016 22:27 |
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Bryter posted:Actual socialist parties care, apparently it's just another chapter in the long co-optation of leftist words. policing the language is a strategy used by social justice movements too. it's especially true for anarchists, who had to deal with libertarian - a word originally coined when self-identification as anarchist was illegal - getting bought/stolen by the far-right in the 60s. now it's anarcho-capitalism, which has zero to do with anarchism.
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Homework Explainer posted:the "moderate rebels" are the ones who used chemical weapons and russia had assad ready to step down back in 2012 to avert further bloodshed. the west wanted a friendly government installed after assad was overthrown, so they refused and here we are. there are sources for this, if you want I'd like to see them. (sorry if you posted them earlier, I couldn't find them)
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Majorian posted:I'd like to see them. (sorry if you posted them earlier, I couldn't find them) This properly belongs in the ME thread and maybe it's been discussed there, but, regarding the West's idiocy regarding Assad. As for the chemical weapons attacks, there is not enough evidence to conclusively know who conducted the attacks, but Brown Moses is an idiot (Hexamine hexamine hexamine!). I hope I haven't summoned him into this thread to spew a billion words about it, we deserve better. Anyways to get back on track, the PSL have put out a statement on the current USAmerican election that I think is quite convincing: quote:Election results: chaos in capitalist parties, polarization in society They also put a funny thing out reminding everyone that Madeline Albright and Hillary Clinton have the blood of a cool million Iraqi children on their hands, if anyone wants to talk about having special places in Hell.
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this thread is the perfect encapsulation of this political party, there's a handful of people parroting dumb talking points about how great Venezuela and Cuba are, posting memes and fantasizing about getting 0.001% of the votes doubled to 0.002% while the rest of the forum totally ignores them. Congrats on managing to find total irrelevance in a 200-person sub forum on the Internet.
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uberkeyzer posted:this thread is the perfect encapsulation of this political party, there's a handful of people parroting dumb talking points about how great Venezuela and Cuba are, posting memes and fantasizing about getting 0.001% of the votes doubled to 0.002% while the rest of the forum totally ignores them. Congrats on managing to find total irrelevance in a 200-person sub forum on the Internet. Thanks for stopping by. Majorian posted:I'd like to see them. (sorry if you posted them earlier, I couldn't find them) link to that's already been covered but some stuff about chemical weapons just remember this every time you hear or read western reporting on syria or islamist militias R. Guyovich fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Feb 9, 2016 |
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lol what a dumb thing
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 20:58 |
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from the looks of this thread, Bernie has a lot of work to do to pick up America's influential "Stalin did nothing wrong" vote.
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 22:07 |
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this is a thread full of only the most Serious and Realistic Thought Leaders of the generation, and the pack of imperialist running dogs who are here to Troll them
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 22:52 |
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Homework Explainer posted:just remember this every time you hear or read western reporting on syria or islamist militias yeah, but what isn't a tool of imperialist regimes these days
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# ? Feb 9, 2016 23:58 |
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:yeah, but what isn't a tool of imperialist regimes these days MLM thought
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Sheng-ji Yang posted:lol what a dumb thing piles of dead children disagree!
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Jewel Repetition posted:So a business owner who worked her way there from the bottom, and treats and pays all of her employees well, did something so wrong she deserves to die? According to Marx, very small business owners weren't members of the bourgeoisie. It's in section 2 of the Communist Manifesto.
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