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I wouldn't set yourself up for any expectations of things being changed. They've said they plan to tie into the epilogue multiple times now. The marital status of ANYONE in the epilogue is vague and uncommentated upon for anyone who isn't Sora and Yamato and Miyako and Ken.
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mikeycp posted:I think it would be neat if tri were to show stuff from the old epilogue, some time bullshit happened and hosed that up, and now they're trying to repair what they can. As far as broad story beats go. That'd be fantastic. I still want Ken and Stingmon to become Detectives. But seriously real talk, Matt on Mars is stupid as gently caress. How did that even be a thing
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Mar 16, 2016 06:01
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TFRazorsaw posted:I wouldn't set yourself up for any expectations. They've said they plan to tie into the epilogue multiple times now. I guess there is one expectation I can set myself up for then, and that's tri ending in a big huge wet fart. e: Burkion posted:That'd be fantastic. I still want Ken and Stingmon to become Detectives. My one worry is that something like that seems like it might be beyond Toei to actually write well. That concept done poorly could easily end up terrible. mikeycp fucked around with this message at 06:04 on Mar 16, 2016 |
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I'm not a fan of most of the epilogue but I don't think they should change it because a bunch of people who aren't even their primary audience can't get over it over a decade later. And even then, only Yamato's job still strikes me as weird. The only thing I find outright objectionable about is that all their kids are clones. I mean, hell, Sora being able to sew and design clothes with Meiko is one huge reference to her future career. It's happening.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:04
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TFRazorsaw posted:I wouldn't set yourself up for any expectations of things being changed. They've said they plan to tie into the epilogue multiple times now. I hope you're wrong on this part. The Epilogue is just the worst thing in the entire Digimon franchise. Also if other characters were married, they would have been commented on. But even a change as small as that would be nice. That and Matt not going to loving Mars WHERE DID THAT COME FROM TFRazorsaw posted:I'm not a fan of most of the epilogue but I don't think they should change it because a bunch of people who aren't even their primary audience can't get over it over a decade later. And even then, only Yamato's job still strikes me as weird. The only thing I find outright objectionable about is that all their kids are clones. Except even in Japan no one liked the Epilogue. It is literally the least favorable thing about the entire mess. Even people who love season 2 think it was a mistake. I can't see them just doubling down on it exactly as it was. I hope they're smarter than that.
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Burkion posted:You just keep making this a thing don't you, where I have to respond to you. But gently caress it, this doesn't concern season 2 so whatever. I blamed their amnesia about the events on the fact the the oldest of them was, like, six at the time. Very young children blocking out traumatic experiences like this isn't too far fetched.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:05
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Geostomp posted:I blamed their amnesia about the events on the fact the the oldest of them was, like, six at the time. Very young children blocking out traumatic experiences like this isn't too far fetched. There's also the fact that normal people just forget about Digimon weirdness- and most weren't even aware of it to start with. They had to REALLY kick up poo poo to be noticeable after all.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:07
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Burkion posted:Whatever you say about the rest of season 2, the epilogue was, with few exceptions, a mistake. If all of this is just to justify something that almost no fan, here or across the world, likes or enjoys, well Okay whatever its their show. I will never understand the hate 02 receives, I loved the series and specially the ending. quote:But it's opening up holes in their own present story. They're building Mimi and Izzy pretty hard right now- what would be the point of this if it just goes to the epilogue where they're clearly not married? People changes over time you know, that they're getting closer now doesn't mean they're tied by the red string of fate or whatever. quote:Notice I am not saying that ending on AN epilogue would be a mistake- but the one we have does not work with the story they are telling. They can fix the epilogue, that'd be great. It'd help fix some of season 2's worst parts. But as it is, the idea that it ends on what we already know is baffling and fills Tri with a lot of problems. Tri's writing has its issues regardless it ties with 02.
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quote:Tai and Kari did not have a Digivice, nor could they have HAD their Digivices, as that moment was explicitly the moment Genai and his group realized who these 8 children were and the power they possessed. The movie was all about the affect humans have on Digimon, and Parrotmon was not literally born from scratch. That was just how he arrived possibly due to how rough going from one universe to the other would have been. He also clearly took way more power to appear than Agumon did. No character in Adventure "arrives" in the real world by a giant egg cracking in the sky. And evolution IS treated differently, even with digivices. Digimon who evolve naturally don't change the way Koromon does into Agumon; and let's not forget Agumon being mindless and twice his usual size in BOTH Child and Adult form.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:08
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Dark_Tzitzimine posted:I will never understand the hate 02 receives, I loved the series and specially the ending. Why waste time on building up a relationship that is just going to be thrown away at the last minute? It's bad writing. Why do you like the epilogue? And why in the world did Matt end up going to Mars
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quote:Except even in Japan no one liked the Epilogue. show me your source.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:09
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I'm so glad I don't remember half the stuff you guys go on about so I can just enjoy Tri for what it is and not how well it ties into a weak season from nearly two decades ago.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:10
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Burkion posted:And why in the world did Matt end up going to Mars Look, there's only so many times you can form bands on Earth that play the exact same stuff before people get bored of you. And I'll have you know Knife on Mars became a sensation overnight.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:13
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TFRazorsaw posted:show me your source. You make the same claims and never back em up so why should he?
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TFRazorsaw posted:show me your source. We're not doing this. We're forum goons talking about a nostalgia anime that's actually aimed at us that's a sequel to a series aimed at us when we were children. We're not going around and around and around on so much bullshit. I could bring up the fact you don't have any sources either or I could track down some and get ignored or any kind of thing but gently caress it. I would like to criticize something that is genuinely Not Good and bring up something that could very well be a problem without getting called out on it though. Flatly, if they go straight into the epilogue with zero changes, even something as simple as "Mimi and Izzy got married" or whatever It will be a mistake and it will negatively impact Tri as a whole.
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What I've pointed out about 02 is that it's the highest rated season with the most sold merchandise. As it stands, the only quantifiable audience that hates the epilogue is... people in America. Who are not Tri.'s primary audience. Who knows what Japan thinks? I can show you the source on those ratings and merchandise stuff if you want. I just don't believe in setting myself up to expect something that's probably not gonna happen.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:20
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How would ratings prove your point?
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Because it's the ONLY perspective we have on how Japan views or responded to 02 in any way whatsoever?
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TFRazorsaw posted:What I've pointed out about 02 is that it's the highest rated season with the most sold merchandise. As it stands, the only quantifiable audience that hates the epilogue is... people in America. Who are not Tri.'s primary audience. Who knows what Japan thinks? Hello it's me a guy with lots of Japanese friends from Japan that watched Japanese Digimon on Japanese TV and most of them never bothered with 02 and even the ones that did prefer Adventure I mean sure it's anecdotal evidence but at least it's something.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Because it's the ONLY perspective we have on how Japan views or responded to 02 in any way whatsoever? It really isn't useful in any real way tho.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:28
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Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence. I'm not getting sucked into this further. Tri. is crawling with stuff from 02. The producers have said what they said. I think people need to just LET GO of this stuff and move on with their lives. We'll see what happens.
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Mar 16, 2016 06:28
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If you could move on it would be swell.
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Why should they bother keeping to something that was stupid and poorly written? I mean, that epilogue was okay for the very low standards of a kid's show, but it's very much a Kid's Show Finale. It's not going to cost them any more money or anything to do something else. They just have to think a little bit and, y'know, do better. It's not like you're re-writing the diner scene from The Sopranos. It's just stock Happily Ever After writing that is stretching credibility and excessively unrealistic. You don't have to go into serious drama territory to make something better. Hell, just make vague allusions that maybe something else happened and leave the door open. I didn't need to know what these characters were doing at 30 anyway.
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The sad thing is that, unless the subject actually comes up, I am generally neutral to Adventure 02. I enjoyed parts of it as a kid, and it was only in retrospect watching it as an adult that most of the really bad writing became apparent. But unless I'm engaging with Digimon media, I don't go around huffing and puffing about 02 ever because why the gently caress would I? You're saying we're not letting go of it...but the thing is, this isn't us bringing it up unprovoked. it isn't ME doing that. I'm bringing it up because it is a problem that hopefully will be addressed in Tri. If it isn't, then Tri is going to hurt itself in the long run. I only really think about it in response TO Tri though. Also yet again, thank you so much Tri for not having fanservice of the girls at the spa. Holy poo poo that was a bullet dodged. Sure we got Rosemon but whatever, I'll take flopping tits from something that looks like an adult woman in fetish wear if we can avoid sexualizing underage girls.
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Burkion posted:Why waste time on building up a relationship that is just going to be thrown away at the last minute? It's bad writing. Or the relationship is meant to develop their characters in a different way. quote:Why do you like the epilogue? I loved the message that you can be whatever you want to be as long you put your mind on it and give your best to achieve it. For my twelve-years old self that was a pretty significant message. quote:And why in the world did Matt end up going to Mars And why not? Is a world where digital creatures exist and parallel words are known, all the bets are off.
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writing that tries to bend over backwards to "fix" something a vocal minority won't be quiet about is always transparent in how forced it is. It's not developing a story organically, it's pandering. work with what you have, try to make the best story you can out of it. That's what I personally believe in.
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TFRazorsaw posted:Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal evidence. I'm not getting sucked into this further. You're the only one here who isn't letting go, TBH.
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Watched determination and it was good. Liked it a bunch but it still sucks we have to wait such a long time for the next one. It wouldn't be so bad if these were like full length movies each with its own contained story, instead of just basically releasing it piece meal but it is what it is. Also this page got really stupid really fast.
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The REAL Goobusters posted:Also this page got really stupid really fast. This thread always gets really stupid when someone offhandedly suggests that 02 might have some issues with its writing.
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tell me that when this thread doesn't devolve into yet more speculation about how 02 is being totally written out every time so much as a word of it is breathed about it, then. anyway.  New digimon that's gonna be appearing in Digimon Linkz later this year.
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TFRazorsaw posted:tell me that when this thread doesn't devolve into yet more speculation about how 02 is being totally written out every time so much as a word of it is breathed about it, then. No one is saying that.
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TFRazorsaw posted:tell me that when this thread doesn't devolve into yet more speculation about how 02 is being totally written out every time so much as a word of it is breathed about it, then. I see a sword, RK related?
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I doubt it, though it does slightly resemble Gankoomon's partner a little.
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It'd be rad if it was just a huge fuckin dinosaur and not part of some kind of group.
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TFRazorsaw posted:tell me that when this thread doesn't devolve into yet more speculation about how 02 is being totally written out every time so much as a word of it is breathed about it, then. 02 isn't being written out so much as de-emphasized. The 02 story was a direct sequel and continuation..but Tri seems to be going out of the way to be a sequel to Adventure first, and only carrying over the bits from 02 that they absolutely have to, like Hikari and Takeru having D3s and Gennai being young. Ken and Imperialdramon showing up is so far the exception...and we didn't really get any sort of explanation yet on what exactly is going on there. Seeing the 02 kids getting blasted in silhouette and then not even mentioned in passing just seems like a bad move to me.
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man, this is just reminding me the last new Ultimate we got just to have a new Ultimate, and not to create or finish off a new group, was RustTyrannomon. Even Plutomon and Titanomon are part of the Olympos Twelve aggregate. and RustTyrannomon only got into Re:Digitize Decode because Tyrannomon was one of the earliest Digimon designed and they wanted to do an anniversary thing, too.
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quote:02 isn't being written out so much as de-emphasized. The 02 story was a direct sequel and continuation..but Tri seems to be going out of the way to be a sequel to Adventure first, and only carrying over the bits from 02 that they absolutely have to, like Hikari and Takeru having D3s and Gennai being young. The producers have said that they plan to explain what happened as they go along. I think it's far, far more likely that they're trying to create a mystery than intentionally obfuscate. something clearly happened. The Adventure kids haven't talked about it because, again, there's no "as you know" moments in the story yet.
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TFRazorsaw posted:The producers have said that they plan to explain what happened as they go along. I think it's far, far more likely that they're trying to create a mystery than intentionally obfuscate. They've got a new character added to the mix that could have easily been used as an audience stand-in for an exposition dump "yeah Mei, we all saved the world a while back. We had these other friends too...but we haven't heard from them since they all went off to check out X strange phenomenon!" I'll be pleased as punch if everything ties up nicely by the end of Tri's run...but I can only currently judge what's been released this far, and in my opinion the 02 stuff has been deliberately de-emphasized in favor of Adventure stuff.
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I imagine Meiko is gonna be used to fill the audience in on stuff in further parts. There's stuff about the rest of their adventure they haven't shared with her either, because they're still getting to know her and it's only been a couple days. It took them a fair number of episodes for them to inform the 02 kids on stuff that happened in the interim too. I mean, yeah, the emphasis is on Adventure stuff for marketing, but Ken showing up in full Kaiser regalia is still a very blatant thing to use.
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