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Working at an MSP I enjoyed the occasion when a client who didn't know anything about computers asked how / and \ were different, and why both are used when it's so confusing. Turns out she really didn't want to know the answer when I started explaining it to her.
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Jul 27, 2016 18:53
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Working at an MSP I enjoyed the occasion when a client who didn't know anything about computers asked how / and \ were different, and why both are used when it's so confusing. Why are both used? Why do we need a | to go both ways?
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Jul 27, 2016 18:57
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Tigren posted:Why are both used? Why do we need a | to go both ways? Directional pipes, duh!
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Jul 27, 2016 19:00
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You can't do those text-mode \|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/-\|/- spinners without a backslash.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:06
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Tigren posted:Why are both used? Why do we need a | to go both ways? From what I understand, Windows decided to (was forced to) differentiate from other OS's by using / as it's parameter delimiter. ipconfig /all, for example. So then it needed to use \ for directories so the OS didn't confuse folders with parameters. If Windows just used - like everything else, we probably wouldn't have to worry about two directional slashes. E: Which reminds me, the application support guys here, who constantly use linux and unix variations, all call - "minus". They run command minus a minus t minus capital P. Maybe it's because I've never heard that one before but it made me irrationally angry. Judge Schnoopy fucked around with this message at 19:11 on Jul 27, 2016 |
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Jul 27, 2016 19:08
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Powershell owns.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:10
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Judge Schnoopy posted:From what I understand, Windows decided to (was forced to) differentiate from other OS's by using / as it's parameter delimiter. ipconfig /all, for example. So then it needed to use \ for directories so the OS didn't confuse folders with parameters. File structures, and escape characters as well. One of these days I am going to try and explain escape characters to someone who asks me about backslash, just to watch their brains bluescreen.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:13
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CLAM DOWN posted:Powershell owns. This is what i find funny, / was used forever in dos/cli, but now let's switch to - as our delimiter for powershell.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:17
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MF_James posted:This is what i find funny, / was used forever in dos/cli, but now let's switch to - as our delimiter for powershell. Hasn't the MS ecosystem actually accepted - for command line switches for years now, like since XP?
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Jul 27, 2016 19:18
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RFC2324 posted:Hasn't the MS ecosystem actually accepted - for command line switches for years now, like since XP? Not for legacy commands, like one I just used for example: nltest /sc_verify:domain Definitely does not work with a -
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Jul 27, 2016 19:20
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GnarlyCharlie4u posted:I thought it went from top to bottom? It's both. If the backslash was a slide it would send you forward along the line, whereas the forward slash would send you backwards. Ergo, they are flipped.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:20
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NippleFloss posted:It's both. If the backslash was a slide it would send you forward along the line, whereas the forward slash would send you backwards. Ergo, they are flipped. nah brah Start at |. Tip it forward. / forward slash. Now take | and tip it backward. \ backslash.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:22
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RFC2324 posted:Hasn't the MS ecosystem actually accepted - for command line switches for years now, like since XP? Actually, I just went back and it seems, yes, you can use - in place of /. I didn't realize that, the help info for ipconfig specifically uses / but it seems that - also works, whereas the help for some other applications specifically call - but / works in its place. Seems they are interchangeable at this point, but my head is so ingrained with / for certain things and - for others that I never realized it. *edit* CLAM DOWN posted:Not for legacy commands, like one I just used for example: nltest /sc_verify:domain seems that what I said above is not universally true.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:22
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sed s/${p1//\//\\/}/${p2//\//\\/}/
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Jul 27, 2016 19:23
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MF_James posted:Actually, I just went back and it seems, yes, you can use - in place of /. I didn't realize that, the help info for ipconfig specifically uses / but it seems that - also works, whereas the help for some other applications specifically call - but / works in its place. Seems they are interchangeable at this point, but my head is so ingrained with / for certain things and - for others that I never realized it. I know that all the docs still say to use /, but I am used to - as a unix guy, and don't think I have ever run into an issue. CLAM DOWN posted:Not for legacy commands, like one I just used for example: nltest /sc_verify:domain I never use commands like this, so never had a chance to test. Good to know in case I am ever working on a legacy Windows box(I hope I never do)
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Jul 27, 2016 19:32
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RFC2324 posted:I never use commands like this, so never had a chance to test. Good to know in case I am ever working on a legacy Windows box(I hope I never do) Sometimes it feels like MS is never going to move on from some of the legacy stuff. But, then again, things like netsh are being deprecated so who really knows with them.
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Jul 27, 2016 19:35
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Is that a capital backslash, or a lower case one?
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Jul 27, 2016 20:03
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SubjectVerbObject posted:Is that a capital backslash, or a lower case one? You joke, but I once told a client that forward slash is a lowercase question mark.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:05
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The Fool posted:You joke, but I once told a client that forward slash is a lowercase question mark. I don't joke. I have been asked that question. I used to do tier 1 computer support for PCs that were sold at Walmart.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:08
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How to instruct a user to use the forward slash depending on arrogance level. the descriptions start sounding less childish, but are actually more childish as they go on: Secretary: "It's the one that goes from lower left to upper right" Lawyer: "It's next to the right shift key" CEO: "lower case question mark"
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Jul 27, 2016 20:08
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Judge Schnoopy posted:How to instruct a user to use the forward slash depending on arrogance level. the descriptions start sounding less childish, but are actually more childish as they go on: HR: You know what, just right click this then press copy then right click and press paste email: /
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Jul 27, 2016 20:24
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Judge Schnoopy posted:How to instruct a user to use the forward slash depending on arrogance level. the descriptions start sounding less childish, but are actually more childish as they go on: Network Engineer(Yes I had someone claiming to be a NetEng who couldn't figure out backslash): 
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Jul 27, 2016 20:24
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No matter what you tell them the correct answer is always going to be "no, the other one"
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Jul 27, 2016 20:28
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"Backslash is the one next to backspace"--worked for our users.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:33
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Judge Schnoopy posted:CEO: "lower case question mark" "I only use an exclamation point to end sentences, it's more assertive."
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Jul 27, 2016 20:35
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I have a whole lot of punctuation, a whole lot of punctuation, you see? And they don't want me to use it. And they're going to tell you that I shouldn't. But you know what? We're gonna make good sentences. We're gonna make good sentences and we're gonna take our grammar back.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:37
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Judge Schnoopy posted:nah brah But what if you put the hinge at the top?
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Jul 27, 2016 20:38
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I love some of the old software we use where the user types in what they want and can have it auto complete, but it expects & and | for AND and OR. Everyone ran reports multiple times until I showed them the power of the pipe. This saved a hilarious amount of man hours not having to print out 4-5 reports then cross reference the reports, and add anything that appears in multiple reports using a calculator then throwing that into an excel sheet that is mostly being used to make a table because what is =SUM(B2:K2) They only ran this mess once a year but it took 80 hours and now the computer does it and they run it quarterly. It's still a bunch of info to parse apparently but it doesn't take 4 people half a week to make it happen. Pipe is a great key, and I love that everyone knows what it is here now, but backslash still confuses them. "Hold shift and press pipe" does work though. (I find if I say capitol a small number of people just press caps lock)
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Jul 27, 2016 20:41
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Judge Schnoopy posted:E: Which reminds me, the application support guys here, who constantly use linux and unix variations, all call - "minus". They run command minus a minus t minus capital P. Maybe it's because I've never heard that one before but it made me irrationally angry.
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Jul 27, 2016 20:42
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em dash supremacy
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Jul 27, 2016 21:35
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Guys, / is just a regular slash. It's the one you use to write fractions in-line, and to list alternatives if you aren't insane. Since / is the regular one, \ is the backwards one. Very simple.
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Jul 27, 2016 22:30
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Holy poo poo 
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Jul 27, 2016 22:36
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gtfooooooooooooooooooo
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Jul 27, 2016 22:39
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I had a bit of a moment earlier today where I was like "I wish things x and y about my job were better" but good grief that post sure put things in perspective.
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Jul 27, 2016 22:45
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My situation was similar in high school, but I wasn't gonna grouse about someone being dumb enough to hire a 16-year-old sysadmin in the first place. gently caress anyone who pulls this poo poo with grown-rear end adults just because they can.
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Jul 27, 2016 23:05
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RFC2324 posted:File structures, and escape characters as well. I had to explain pvdm3 conference credits to a doctors assistant over the phone and I'm sure she hung up with hatred for me.
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Jul 28, 2016 02:53
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I am an (really, the) IT manager with 9 direct reports. I report to the CIO. I still spend a lot of time in the weeds. My former CIO was also the information security officer, despite a low amount of technical knowledge. He is retiring and the new guy is interested in designating a new ISO from my team. We probably aren't big enough for a FTE dedicated to it yet, so he initially offered it to me, but I thought it would be too much of a conflict to do with my current responsibilities. My two highest level techs both kind of waffled at the idea due to the extra stress, and I don't want to dig any further down. Do you guys think it would be a good career move to dump some of my existing technical duties to take on the ISO duties? I already do a lot of the duties you would associate with it, but don't currently have to worry about being the face of a security incident. I'd keep my management responsibilities. If you think I should do it, how much of a bump should I ask for? I realize that you don't have all of the necessary information, but hopefully I have given enough here. I work at a ~$3b community bank and already make enough that I could coast by on a 3% raise every year and retire comfortably. Obviously, everyone wants to make more, and I am no exception.
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Jul 28, 2016 03:02
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Give some goony low ranking kid the title of cyber terrorism analyst for $11 an hour, throw him in the deep end, and scapegoat him whenever necessary.
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Jul 28, 2016 03:19
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Give some goony low ranking kid the title of cyber terrorism analyst for $11 an hour, throw him in the deep end, and scapegoat him whenever necessary. Applicants outside SanFran need not apply.
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Jul 28, 2016 03:30
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That's funny, I only hit post once.
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Jul 28, 2016 03:30
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