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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Comedy option: the original series + EoE was already a time loop even without Rebuild, Rei and Kaworu are Lilith and Adam because Lilith and Adam are Rei and Kaworu, the Dead Sea Scrolls are accurate as prophecy because they were written by people who lived through the events in question, the much-debated scene of Kaworu talking to a very strange number of monoliths and are they SEELE or the dead Angels is resolved by them being both; the Angels are SEELE's immortal bodies that they wanted to obtain through Instrumentality. The sad part is that with this series that is entirely plausible and not actually insane.
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Max posted:The sad part is that with this series that is entirely plausible and not actually insane. It works because I'm making up nonsense that nonetheless conforms to the Angels' (and other characters') thematic roles in the series. The Angels are there to represent Shinji's traumatic experiences with adults and the Other generally, so make them literally the evil adults, etc. e: also because it'd be really funny to me if Yui's eternal testament to the existence of mankind were... the existence of mankind 
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There's this additional self destructive theme to SEELE in a trapped loop killing their immortal selves also because they want to achieve immortality. I like it.
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Was Seele always just prepped for Instrumentality since that was their whole deal? I mean they weren't even human at that point right, you can see Keel fall apart into a bunch of gadgets with a robotic spine and tang. So he was what, on life support until they could bring about Instrumentality? Hell it's probably a bigger point to make that Seele went from old man holograms to their eventual role in the series as literally disembodied voices coming from monoliths. They were artificially immortal but EoE like validated their immortality or something.
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HoneyBoy posted:Was Seele always just prepped for Instrumentality since that was their whole deal? I mean they weren't even human at that point right, you can see Keel fall apart into a bunch of gadgets with a robotic spine and tang. So he was what, on life support until they could bring about Instrumentality? Hell it's probably a bigger point to make that Seele went from old man holograms to their eventual role in the series as literally disembodied voices coming from monoliths. They were artificially immortal but EoE like validated their immortality or something. In the original series at least SEELE was never immortal, just composed entirely of incredibly old, bitter and decrepit men who sacrificed the whole world for a shot at godhood. The cyborg bits were just to make sure they didn't drop dead before Tang happened, since nobody wanted to miss out on ULTRA GODHOOD. Rebuild seems to be a different kettle of fish regarding SEELE's plans.
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Wasn't Seele in 3.0 revealed to be the literal Illuminati?
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There's a funny clip in anime gifs with sounds #18 with Shinji and Gendo. It fits so perfectly.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-AM00rbkm4A&t=238s
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Zeruel posted:Wasn't Seele in 3.0 revealed to be the literal Illuminati? They pretty much always were, what with their control over the UN and all. 3.0 just shows them s disembodied brains kept alive in the monoliths.
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Ak Gara posted:There's a funny clip in anime gifs with sounds #18 with Shinji and Gendo. It fits so perfectly. Nice thumbnail.
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I could have swore last time I was paying attention to NGE stuff there was supposed to finally be a re-release of the TV series here in the West but, looking at Amazon, that does not seem to be the case. Maybe I misunderstood or misread something? Are we ever going to get new DVD's or Blu-rays? edit: Midjack posted:We were talking about this just up the page. As far as anyone knows the remnants of ADV still hold the rights. Sorry, I only saw posts about SEELE. NikkolasKing fucked around with this message at 02:54 on Dec 12, 2016 |
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NikkolasKing posted:I could have swore last time I was paying attention to NGE stuff there was supposed to finally be a re-release of the TV series here in the West but, looking at Amazon, that does not seem to be the case. Maybe I misunderstood or misread something? We were talking about this just up the page. As far as anyone knows the remnants of ADV still hold the rights.
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Slime posted:It's possible she wasn't actually dead yet by the time the tanging went down. It can take a surprising amount of time to actually die from even pretty grievous injuries. Ak Gara posted:Not to mention she wasn't ACTUALLY damaged. Bet it hurt like a mother fucker, though. Well, my first post here was "holy poo poo, wait, I just realized that it is weird how Asuka IS ACTUALLY INJURED (but only selectively) what's up with that btw"     Like.... what is that, if not copious amounts of blood falling from her general eye region E-flat posted:And I had always taken the arm-splitting frames to be symbolic, but slowing it down-- If it was just her eye bleedin', yeah, I'd say no problem she manages to hang on to tang. But when she appears at the end, her eye AND arm are bandaged.   And that's a bit of a problem, because in my extremely-uncomfortable googling 'how long does it take to bleed out from a severed brachial artery' and the internet assuming I wanted to slit my wrists I came up with some stuff. --which would be Asuka's case. Her brachial (if not axillary artery) gets cut laterally/sagittally(/bisected loving whichever, gets cut the wrong way) I mean, if you told me Asuka is a trained fuckin' paramedic and was able to compress a completely bisected/whatever major artery in an entry plug with no visible medical supplies, I'd probably believe it, she's a 14-year old college graduate; but if not, it seems like she got to die with her mama in the end v vwhy yes this is how I choose spend my sunday nights 
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Souls exist in evangelion and are modeled mathematically. I don't see what's crazy about Asuka "re-materializing" with bandaged remnants of her last battle, and the moment she found closure with her mother. It's a UH metaphor.
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 In this scene, Shinji feels what the Eva feels, but he doesn't loose his eye for the rest of the show. I believe that Asuka arm split scene is "what she's feeling" and not "what is happening" Unit 02 gets stabbed in the face, but Asuka is not in the head of the Eva.
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I think with Asuka her sync ratio was high enough that the damage Unit 02 took transferred to her as well. SYNC RATIOS, MAN.
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I thought that the accepted theory is that being able to hurt pilots directly is a property of the spear of longinus
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superstepa posted:I thought that the accepted theory is that being able to hurt pilots directly is a property of the spear of longinus Possible, but those were copy spears, weren't they? They can't be that good.
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Shinjobi posted:Possible, but those were copy spears, weren't they? They can't be that good. I think the one that impales her is the real spear come back from the moon. It's been a while since I watched EoE though.
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Nah it's one of their weird double sword things. The sword hits her AT field, transforms into a spear, then pierces through.
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Shinjobi posted:I think with Asuka her sync ratio was high enough that the damage Unit 02 took transferred to her as well. That's how I always read it as. Partial sync = pilot takes partial damage. Full sync like Asuka in the movie? Then eye for an eye.
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Kind of explains Shinji getting sucked up inside Unit 01 as well. The sync ratio got so high his soul up and decided to hang out with dear ol' mumsie.
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Shinjobi posted:Kind of explains Shinji getting sucked up inside Unit 01 as well. The sync ratio got so high his soul up and decided to hang out with dear ol' mumsie. This is backwards. That episode explains what happens to Asuka in EoE.
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Ak Gara posted:
 but this one has so much blood spurting every whichaway it kinda obscures their paint-splatter effect.SHISHKABOB posted:This is backwards. That episode explains what happens to Asuka in EoE. Aaaaaaand again this is all kinda my original discussion point. Since we don't see Shinji at all after Unit-01 reactivates against Zeruel--in fact we never see him after Unit-01 goes berserk I don't think--we don't see if his 400% sync rate meant his left arm suddenly disappeared, or if 400% sync rate is instant soup. We are only told of the sync rate after Unit-01 incorporates Zeruel's arm thingy to replace hers, leaving it a bit ambiguous as to whether they got 400% ratio just then (like, 'now they both have both upper extremities so they can reach all the way 400%!') or if it had been that high as soon as Zeruel's chest compressions worked (personally I believe the latter). It's interesting that the soup is still differential enough from the eva's usual lcl for them to determine that That Which Was Shinji is still in there. But anyway, this is a tangent. That's why I'm interested in Asuka's sync ratio here: less than 400%, but enough to be physically damaged--selectively. The damage she apparently received while Unit-02 was active--the eye and the arm, going by how Gainax indicates fluid gushing--is reflected in the 'real world' at the end of EoE. WIth the bandaged arm and eye. Yet she is not also eviscerated when Unit-02 is eviscerated. She writhes in pain during that moment, despite the fact that Unit-02 is out of battery. I can't visually confirm any evisceration, and her head isn't as hosed up as Unit-02's after evisceration anyway, leading credence to the idea that she was not also eviscerated, ie, did not reflect Unit-02's injured status while out of juice. Despite apparently feeling it. That's weird and interesting, or at least I think so! And I was curious what others made of it or at least get told 'yeah that got resolved back in 2006 when this one interview was translated that explains it' 
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I'm pretty sure we can see blood spreading from Asuka's stomach during the guts pull, but its been a while since I've seen it.
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alternatively Asuka was synced high enough to tang already and what we see is just her mind trying to make sense of the sensory conflict
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Was unit ones arm broken after the battery went out or before in the first berserk sequence? I always got the sensation that the battery giving out didn't matter if the sync ratio was high enough to activate a berserk mode, because the monster under the plating was overpowering the control mechanisms. At the same time, the pilots probably get relinked too, just because of how they are. Cause arguably the battery and power is supplied to the armor and the armor is what moves and keeps the Eva in control. Of course the side benefit is the energy is used to link the pilot to the unit and allow them to control it. I don't really have a point I just like the discussion. When I first watched EVA I remember thinking berserk modes were somehow in Shinji's control albeit not very rationally. I had a similar kind of reaction to the realization that he was completely without control as I did to the idea that Sephiroth in northern crater was actually controlling Jenova. As in, I didn't like it.
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Asuka's real arm attached to her body gets cut in half, because 1. It's metal as gently caress and 2. It shows that all the normal rules no longer apply, just like Asuka's eye, the damaged evas getting up to fight again, the spears, and everything else about that scene and most of the rest of the movie.
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I'm 20 minutes into Shin Godzilla and you guys really undersold it. It's EXACTLY like Evangelion. The cuts, the pacing, the music... It's like poetry.
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Pinch Me Im Meming posted:I'm 20 minutes into Shin Godzilla and you guys really undersold it. It's EXACTLY like Evangelion. The cuts, the pacing, the music... It's like poetry. Where you seeing it? I thought it had left theaters and wasn't available on video yet.
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:Where you seeing it? I thought it had left theaters and wasn't available on video yet. It's on some JAL flights. $1000 but it was worth it. 
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Well I'm done and while it wasn't exactly a good movie, it was a good experience.
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it's rad
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:it's rad
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:it's rad Actually it was more in the realm of millisieverts.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:it's rad
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While we're on the subject of Asukas injuries in EoE, I'm reminded of something that always bothered me when i was younger. The entry plug is full of LCL right? If that is the case...E-flat posted:
How is the blood even able to flow like that? Wouldn't it just awkwardly float around the entry plug? Of course the real reason that happens is because it's visceral and makes the audience react. As has been mentioned several times, it can be interpreted as more symbolic than literal. Come to think of it, I vaguely recall one of the MP Evas having huge, wiggling maggots coming out of its partially severed arm/chest at one point. Makes no sense, especially once you realize those magots must each be the size of a large truck but a cool image.
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Maybe they're little nascent kaworus, like how Rei pops out of other poo poo.
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Yes_Cantaloupe posted:it's rad
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Man, I never even noticed that blood pouring out like that. Even on a recent watch of the blurays.  But also: https://twitter.com/aicnanime/status/812050093914411008
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Nyeehg posted:
I think those are supposed to be severed tendons.
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