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DrNewton
Feb 27, 2011

Monsieur Murdoch Fan Club

Falstaff posted:

I shared turkey with my girls... last month, during the proper Canadian holiday. :colbert:

Same.

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Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010



https://gfycat.com/UnlinedZigzagAmericansaddlebred

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.




So I'm coming around to the whole surprise pregnancy thing. A rough birth with a lot of attrition, but Juana, Agustina, Sharpe, Harper and Ducos made it out fine.

Signed up for two rats. Now own seven. Surprisingly unbothered.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Obliterati posted:



So I'm coming around to the whole surprise pregnancy thing. A rough birth with a lot of attrition, but Juana, Agustina, Sharpe, Harper and Ducos made it out fine.
Signed up for two rats. Now own seven. Surprisingly unbothered.

That's a cute handful of rats. :3:

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
this site doesn't deserve my cute pet pics

Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Feb 24, 2019

Kuule hain nussivan
Nov 27, 2008

Guy Mann posted:

My first rat died last night, I needed these.
Same happened to us. She got really weak really quickly, and couldn't eat or drink anymore, so we had her put down.

Debating on whether we should get new little ones. Does anyone have any experience introducing an older alpha female to new younger ones? She was clearly the dominant one between her and her sister, but they never had any bad fights or anything.

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

I just got one of my girls back from the vet after her third mass removal. This little brat has cost me so much money :cry:

She'll be two in a couple months, so I was tempted to just ignore it since it didn't seem to be painful or anything, but this one was growing so aggressively I just couldn't not do anything about it.

I've decided that rats are more expensive than dogs, when you consider vet bills.*

* Some breeds with chronic health problems excepted.


Kuule hain nussivan posted:

Same happened to us. She got really weak really quickly, and couldn't eat or drink anymore, so we had her put down.

Debating on whether we should get new little ones. Does anyone have any experience introducing an older alpha female to new younger ones? She was clearly the dominant one between her and her sister, but they never had any bad fights or anything.

I've done it a few times, and never had any problem. Older rats (particularly females, but males too for the most part) tend to be incredibly patient with young rats. You'll want to watch their first introduction just to be careful, but 99% chance they'll be best buds within the hour.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
this site doesn't deserve my cute pet pics

Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 13:28 on Feb 24, 2019

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010


Animal Friends :3:

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
this site doesn't deserve my cute pet pics

Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Feb 24, 2019

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

I've wanted a gambian pouched rat for some time now - basically ever since I discovered their existence. Unfortunately, Canada banned the sale, breeding, and importation of them years ago after a monkeypox outbreak in Florida. More recently (say, 2010ish) they lifted the first two bans, but not the third... And the ban lasted long enough that any pouched rats had died out by then, so while it's technically legal to own one here, it's impossible to find one for sale (or at all.)

There are breeders in the UK, though.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010


HeroRATs are cool and good.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Visiting my husband's parents for the holidays, who are taking care of these very cute and round rats:







Unfortunately they're almost entirely unsocialized so you can't interact with them, and there's no ratproofed areas to take them out in anyways, but they're extremely adorable.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Awwww. They're indeed very cute and very round. :3:

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I've had a nice time just putting my hand in there and letting them investigate it. They seem to like tortilla chips so I've been putting halves in my palms and they come over and steal it and run away. I wish I had the time to socialize them, but I'm glad at least that there's two so they're not lonely.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Magic Hate Ball posted:

I've had a nice time just putting my hand in there and letting them investigate it. They seem to like tortilla chips so I've been putting halves in my palms and they come over and steal it and run away. I wish I had the time to socialize them, but I'm glad at least that there's two so they're not lonely.

Here's a trick.
Get some yoghurt, smear it on your palm and let them lick it off. Rats cannot resist yoghurt and they won't be able to just run away with it.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Jack Trades posted:

Here's a trick.
Get some yoghurt, smear it on your palm and let them lick it off. Rats cannot resist yoghurt and they won't be able to just run away with it.

That's a good idea, I might try that! They're a little bitey but the palm is difficult to nibble.

Guy Mann
Mar 28, 2016

by Lowtax
this site doesn't deserve my cute pet pics

Guy Mann fucked around with this message at 13:29 on Feb 24, 2019

Lava Lamp Goddess
Feb 19, 2007

Bit of a sad (and gross) story:

I'm currently a vet tech student and work as a student assistant in our lab taking care of our various animals. Earlier in the semester, we got a pair of rats in (along with a bunch of mice) for teaching proper handling, blood draws, etc. Instead of the typical feeder pet store rats, these two girls were dumbo rexes!

Anyway, they both turn out to be super sweet and I end up handling them a bunch. My favorite was a little grey one that was also semi-hairless. Every time you picked her up she'd just cuddle up to your chest and brux and just be adorable.

Sadly, she just started to grow tumors insanely fast. Went from looking totally normal to having a huge abscessed one on her side within 48 hours. And then, over the next few weeks, she just kept getting bigger and bigger in the abdomen. I ended up calling her Lumpy cause, well, she was pretty drat lumpy.

We didn't euthanize her right off the bat because she never displayed any signs of pain, infection, or anything. She was still eating, happy to cuddle, and basically ignoring the fact that her abdomen was double the size it should be with a draining abscess on her side. We sadly did end up euthanizing her on Tuesday as she was starting to have a lot of pus leaking from her vagina. She was happy up to the very end. I snuck her a few Skittles as a last meal.

We did a necropsy on her (my boss suspected calcified fetuses), found a bunch of uterine teratomas and various other pus-filled growths throughout. We were super amazed she didn't appear more ill outwardly. Even in death, she provided a great teaching opportunity. Sadly, since we're in winter break, we can't run any sort of pathology on her growths.

Her cagemate ended up going home with one of my professors cause she too was just too stinkin' cute.

RIP little Lumpy.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
Rat update: still cute, still eating.





Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

They're very cute. How did it come to be that your husband's parents are taking care of them?

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
They were originally his, but he had to move to a place with a no-pets policy.

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe
My apartments were originally pretty chill about my rats and lizards despite them technically being against the pet policy (pets allowed: dogs, cats, fish, birds - the old boilerplate "I want our complex to be pet friendly but not really" policy), but they recently started harassing me with eviction notices if I don't get rid of my pets despite explicitly saying they were fine when I renewed my lease in October.

Halfway to buying a house ATM, loan is almost done with the underwriters. No way I'm getting rid of my pets over such an inane policy. :colbert:

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010

Magic Hate Ball posted:

Rat update: still cute, still eating.

Things are just like they should be. :3:

How Ingratiating!
Sep 7, 2011

Infinite ammo vs. CYBER PUNCH!!
After a year without rats, I got some baby girls:







My first dumbo rats, Two-tone and B-dubs (Black and White). I've had them for 3 days, and they're already super-friendly with me. Seems they were sold to me at about 4 weeks old though. Don't think I've ever had rats that young. They take treats from my hand, and they're not bitey at all.

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Magic Hate Ball posted:

They were originally his, but he had to move to a place with a no-pets policy.

So they don't get any significant playtime outside the cage? That makes me very sad.

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this

Falstaff posted:

So they don't get any significant playtime outside the cage? That makes me very sad.

Yeah it bums me out too. They have a nice big cage, though. I've considered taking them into the bathtub for some playtime but if either got loose it would be a nightmare in this house.

RainbowCake
Apr 1, 2010

Refurbished cats may have scratches, dents or other forms of cosmetic damage which do not affect the performance of the unit.

How Ingratiating! posted:

After a year without rats, I got some baby girls:







My first dumbo rats, Two-tone and B-dubs (Black and White). I've had them for 3 days, and they're already super-friendly with me. Seems they were sold to me at about 4 weeks old though. Don't think I've ever had rats that young. They take treats from my hand, and they're not bitey at all.

Those ears! :kimchi:

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

I just got a new rat (double rex dumbo) last week Friday, to join my mischief of three rats that I already had. The original three are all litter mates, so they get along just fine, but I'm slightly worried about the newbie (Pipis.)

After a couple days of their cages being next to each other, and some 20-30 minute neutral play sessions with no real aggression signs, I thought I'd move them in together. Things seem to be going well, but Pipis seems to have sustained some scratches from her new sisters. I haven't noticed any major fighting since the first day they've been in there, and even then there weren't any long squeaks or major scuffles, just some mild protesting. If anything, Pipis's introduction has caused her sisters to box each other more than her.

I'm just not sure if she's getting scratched up way too much for a new introduction, or if I think that she just looks a little sad/pathetic because I think all hairless rats look a little pathetic, haha. Here are a couple pictures to show her slight wounds:

http://i.imgur.com/A9Oqetf.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/4nDa8Qb.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/PNTWUbz.jpg

(Very sorry about the turd. I'm sure you all understand.) The only other thing concerning me is her behavior a little bit. She doesn't seem completely warm to me when she's in the cage. She's refused to take any food or treats from my hands, but she is definitely eating (unless she's magically producing big poops) and I've witnessed her drinking a very healthy amount. When I do finally coax her out of the cage, she'll sit in my hood and be very affectionate towards myself and especially my beard, haha.

She's also warming up to her cagemates, occasionally snuggling (http://i.imgur.com/rQMT0vs.jpg,) but I have noticed that she's not really exploring the cage, at least not when I'm around. I have a Double Critter Nation, so plenty of room, but she seemingly barely leaves her top shelf. I put a small ramekin of food and a smaller water bottle up there with her, but is that encouraging her to just hole up there and not explore?

I feel like all of this is probably just overworrying, and that I have to remind myself that she hasn't even been here a week, so I should be more proud of her for what she is doing so far, but I'm still a very nervous ratdad, haha.

Oh, and for the scratches, I am going to attempt to get some nail scissors, but trimming my girls' nails is very, very difficult. Any tips there?

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Some scratches are normal as they're adjusting (particularly with bald rats like her). Just keep them clean and keep an eye on them for infections, otherwise I wouldn't worry too much about them. Her lethargy is of more concern, based on your description - it sounds like she might not really feel at ease in her home yet? Has she been showing any other signs of stress? It may just take her some more time to adjust to her new surroundings.

In my experience, trimming a rat's nails is a two-person job, they're way too squirmy otherwise. Have you considered putting some rocks/bricks in their cage? When placed in the right spots so they'll walk on them a lot (I have one right in front of the water bottle) it can make nail-trimming sessions a lot less frequent.* Note that this depends on the individual rat's behaviour so results may vary, but it's worth a shot.

I'm not sure what to advise regarding getting Pipis to warm up to you, other than keep trying. She's probably still getting used to all the changes in her life. That takes some rats longer than others, and as long as she's still affectionate and interested in interacting with you once she's outside then it's probably just a matter of time.

Boco_T
Mar 12, 2003

la calaca tilica y flaca
Did you name your rat after the Pipis Room Vine? Awesome, if true.

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

Haha, yes. Pipis just seemed like the best possible fit for a naked rat.

Yeah, I have a brick under their water bottle but it might not be big enough. I'll stop by Home Depot on my way from work and grab another couple.

I do really think she's just adjusting. It's only been a few days, but I do just worry. Poor scratched up baby.

e: Would baby wipes be a good idea as far as a quick non-stressful bath?

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
After several years without rats my girlfriend surprised me for xmas with some girl rats. They are very cute, but one of them is very bitey, which is a first for me. If I pick Wednesday up she'll squeak loudly and sometimes bite (once was fully into my finger and a few times has broken skin without being too deep). Even if I am not handling her she nibbles me pretty strongly to check if my hand is food when I am trying to socialise them, now I'm used to rats doing this but it's much stronger than my past rats have or the other 3 currently do - doesn't break skin, but it's a firm grab and she doesn't immediately let go when I pull away sometimes either. I'm not going to breed them, so no worries about passing on her bitey behaviour, but does anyone have any tips for avoiding this?

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Darkrenown posted:

After several years without rats my girlfriend surprised me for xmas with some girl rats. They are very cute, but one of them is very bitey, which is a first for me. If I pick Wednesday up she'll squeak loudly and sometimes bite (once was fully into my finger and a few times has broken skin without being too deep). Even if I am not handling her she nibbles me pretty strongly to check if my hand is food when I am trying to socialise them, now I'm used to rats doing this but it's much stronger than my past rats have or the other 3 currently do - doesn't break skin, but it's a firm grab and she doesn't immediately let go when I pull away sometimes either. I'm not going to breed them, so no worries about passing on her bitey behaviour, but does anyone have any tips for avoiding this?

All my biting-related advice is summed up in a previous post.

Falstaff posted:

That really sucks. I've had a lot of rats over the years, but only limited experience with chronic biters because they're pretty rare. I'll share that experience, and what I remember of the research I did at the time to deal with the problem, but I can't make any promises of how useful it's going to be.

A girlfriend of mine once adopted a biter from an acquaintance. The poor thing had been kept like a goldfish in a small glass cage with no companionship, regular playtime, or even much interaction with people. She'd never had rats before, but she was determined to turn his life around so I helped her how I could.

The key here was patience. At first, he didn't even want to leave the cage we got him, and if we tried to reach in to interact with him he'd give a brief warning that he was going to bite - and then he'd follow through on that warning, pretty hard. We had to earn his trust literally inch by inch, as we would lure him out of his cage with treats and slowly get him used to the idea of our hands as the bearers of food. Sometimes the process of just getting him to take a single treat would take over an hour. Patience was key, really.

Vinnie (that was his name) was a fear biter, which is usually the reason rats bite people. You say that your rats have bitten you for no reason, but you're probably mistaken - rats are smart enough that they don't bite out of instinct like some other small animals, when they bite it's absolutely a conscious choice. (Aggressive rats do exist, but they're even more rare than fear biters are.) Using gloves or a towel to help interact with your rats, to protect you while you get them used to the idea of positive interactions with people, can help a lot with the process - at the very least, they'll make *you* less nervous. When biting does occur, try to figure out any commonalities in the situation that provoked the biting and work from there to earn the rats' trust.

Particularly if it's a fear response, you also need to show the rats that their biting does NOT work, and that they ARE going to be handled whether they like it or not. Rats use survival strategies that work, and if they learn that biting just plain doesn't work, they'll look for other methods of coping with difficult situations.

Are your rats males or females? Bucks in their first year will sometimes (again, super rare) be more territorial than normal thanks to hormonal issues. This can make them reluctant to accept you as their alpha, and attempt to put you in your place through biting when you try to show dominance over them (picking them up, btw, is absolutely a show of dominance.) This sort of problem is usually dealt with the same way as I've outlined above, though if you want to get them fixed that can speed up the process.

It probably doesn't need to be said, but you also shouldn't let other people handle your rats until the biting problem is dealt with, at least not without a very clear warning.

I hope this is helpful on some level. Good luck!

Congrats on your Xmas gifts, though.

How Ingratiating!
Sep 7, 2011

Infinite ammo vs. CYBER PUNCH!!

Darkrenown posted:

After several years without rats my girlfriend surprised me for xmas with some girl rats. They are very cute, but one of them is very bitey, which is a first for me. If I pick Wednesday up she'll squeak loudly and sometimes bite (once was fully into my finger and a few times has broken skin without being too deep). Even if I am not handling her she nibbles me pretty strongly to check if my hand is food when I am trying to socialise them, now I'm used to rats doing this but it's much stronger than my past rats have or the other 3 currently do - doesn't break skin, but it's a firm grab and she doesn't immediately let go when I pull away sometimes either. I'm not going to breed them, so no worries about passing on her bitey behaviour, but does anyone have any tips for avoiding this?

This is what works for me: Confirm your hand is NOT food by squeaking loudly when she grabs you. This works best if you keep your hand still and don't pull away until after she lets go, though I know that can be hard.

Darkrenown
Jul 18, 2012
please give me anything to talk about besides the fact that democrats are allowing millions of americans to be evicted from their homes
Good advice, this earns you some rat pictures.
Wednesday:


Jovie:

Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

Darkrenown posted:

Good advice, this earns you some rat pictures.
Wednesday:


Jovie:


Those are some tiny babbies!

Update on my situation:



Also, Pipis took a treat from my fingers for the first time on Wednesday and I almost cried.

Jack Trades
Nov 30, 2010


Butts and smooshed faces. :3:

Obliterati
Nov 13, 2012

Pain is inevitable.
Suffering is optional.
Thunderdome is forever.
Hi, I'm the guy whose rat unexpectedly gave birth to five more rats and is thus now plagued with seven of the adorable bastards.

Question: has anyone got any ideas on how to 'mark' rats to make them more identifiable? The mother who I thought was albino appears to be developing a very faint brown stripe down her back, which is super inconvenient because two of her babies brown colour is now fading away too. I now have three rats roughly the same size and appearance (I can tell the difference if they sit still under good light, but it was based on the much stronger facial colouring from earlier posts). This is making training them to their names a load more difficult, as I'm never 100% sure the right rat has answered the summons. I wondered if I could daub food colouring or something on there to mark them?

In payment, pictures (you can see my problem in the first one).

My girls:


My boys (I can only tell Sharpe and Harper apart by the fact that Harper is just so fat, yes you are):

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Scholtz
Aug 24, 2007

Zorchin' some Flemoids

Sharpie at the base of the tail. Sticks on there good, and rats don't seem to notice/groom it off. Most labs do it that way, afaik.

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