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Im having serious doubt that Apple is allowing any upgradability with their new Mac Pros, other than like, storage. I want to be proven wrong.
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it'll be an itx ish sized build with user manageable GPU and not much else. definitely a small nvme SSD that may be glued to the non-standardized motherboard
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Apr 4, 2017 18:01
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They said "modular" explicitly and often. If that doesn't mean normal PCI-E graphics cards I'd be really really shocked. I don't care that much about onboard storage but if it's big enough to take a real GPU then they might as well put a slot in for a 2.5" spinner for those who want it.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:02
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GoldfishStew posted:Hey could anyone help me with this? I'd appreciate it. Honestly, you're going to have better results asking one of the networking threads instead of a thread focused on Mac hardware.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:03
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SourKraut posted:Seriously though I'm excited that we might see a (easily) user-upgradable Mac Pro again. Maybe they'll go back to using nVidia too while they're at it. If they're listening to the 'pros' out there, they definitely should offer compatibility at the very least. At the moment they are so in bed with AMD/ATI I doubt nVidia will be offered as an option by Apple, but more like 'here someone else is doing it, and we can at least say it's compatible' like they're doing with the LG monitors. Maybe EVGA or someone else will market the nVidia based solution. It might be interesting if their iOS GPU division winds up making available Apple's own GPU solution; I actually remember at one of the video oriented expos that Imagination Technology put their PowerVR-based GPU on a generic PCIe board and had it running demos on a clone PC all day long. Then Apple could offer three GPU choices, the cheapest being the Apple one, with the ATI and nVidia as the medium/high end choices.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:07
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“As part of doing a new Mac Pro — it is, by definition, a modular system — we will be doing a Pro display as well. Now you won’t see any of those products this year; we’re in the process of that. We think it’s really important to create something great for our pro customers who want a Mac Pro modular system, and that’ll take longer than this year to do.” Hey Apple, 'modular' doesn't mean 'proprietary' You got that? I don't give a gently caress if there's 6 empty drive bays but I need a stupid Apple SSD with 4 wires crossed to use them. I'm not expecting SATA but it better be a standard like M.2 Does this mean NVIDA and ATI are going to come out with overpriced 'Mac Edition' graphics cards again?
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Apr 4, 2017 18:08
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Onboard Apple or Intel graphics would be cool as an option for those who need the pro for processor and expandibility more than GPU horsepower.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:11
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:They said "modular" explicitly and often. If that doesn't mean normal PCI-E graphics cards I'd be really really shocked. Also these custom formats eat into their loving ridiculous profit margins and having had to eat a bag of dicks over nMP graphics cards failures I doubt they're keep on reliving that particular corporate nightmare.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:15
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Bob Morales posted:Hypothetical markets for Mac Pro: Top tier youtubers who are major influencers and would make them seem cool. The Casey's and MKBHD's.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:18
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There's always going to be a market for people who buy the pro model of whatever so they look like a pro, not because they actually need it - and that's fine, more people buying the good poo poo means more reason to keep making it.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:31
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I get the feeling they'll assemble the machine here so Trump doesn't bitch at them.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:35
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there was huge market of people who have their own screen and wanted a good Mac Pro. They all bought iMacs or a MacBook Pro. I would really appreciate it if the baseline Mac Pro was suitably priced so to be justifiable compared to a MBP, but it'll probably end up being comparably priced to a similarly powered laptop, despite having no screen.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:39
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:There's always going to be a market for people who buy the pro model of whatever so they look like a pro, not because they actually need it - and that's fine, more people buying the good poo poo means more reason to keep making it. Or more that the 'consumer' grade stuff is too loving gimped to justify the cost of a 5 year purchase. Even their 'pro' laptops RAM options are an insult to pro customers who are likely only buying he drat thing because buying a 4 year old Mac Pro at the current price point is retarded, speed bump or not.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:46
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They also talked about new iMacs coming this year. Yay.
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Apr 4, 2017 18:47
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Theophany posted:Or more that the 'consumer' grade stuff is too loving gimped to justify the cost of a 5 year purchase. Even their 'pro' laptops RAM options are an insult to pro customers who are likely only buying he drat thing because buying a 4 year old Mac Pro at the current price point is retarded, speed bump or not. Eh, it applies to much more than just Apple hardware. Cameras, guitars, cars, kitchen appliances, whatever....
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Apr 4, 2017 18:58
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Eh, it applies to much more than just Apple hardware. Cameras, guitars, cars, kitchen appliances, whatever.... A sad indictment.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:12
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flosofl posted:Honestly, you're going to have better results asking one of the networking threads instead of a thread focused on Mac hardware. Thank you!
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Apr 4, 2017 19:21
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I doubt apple will ever dance with the green monster again, and the ATI cards will be super duper limited production run due to AMD being the "pants on head retarded" of companies.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:26
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What's all this about a rift between nVidia and Apple anyway? I missed that, whatever it is.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:28
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Theophany posted:A sad indictment. Why? Who cares? If the total number of pros + "people who wish they were pros" is just barely enough to keep a product afloat do you think it'd be *better* if only the people who seriously "needed" the capability purchased it? I mean, yeah, the world would certainly be better off if people doing Costco runs didn't buy F250's, but no one's hurt by tech bloggers buying more of a Mac than they need.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:36
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DEUCE SLUICE posted:Why? Who cares? Because it means they punt out garbage hardware and gently caress their consumers by slapping a 'pro' moniker on hardware that is distinctly average and charge a premium for it. What's good for the goose isn't necessarily good for the gander. This is not a good state of affairs and if you can't see that then maybe you should reevaluate your lovely snobbish opinions on what constitutes a 'pro' and 'people who wish they were pros'. I'm confused as to how not understanding that we are in this situation because of this mentality from Apple is not abundantly clear. Theophany fucked around with this message at 19:43 on Apr 4, 2017 |
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Apr 4, 2017 19:40
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Binary Badger posted:I get the feeling they'll assemble the machine here so Trump doesn't bitch at them. For sure. I'm fully expecting the base model to start at $3999. 
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Apr 4, 2017 19:44
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Boiled Water posted:I doubt apple will ever dance with the green monster again, and the ATI cards will be super duper limited production run due to AMD being the "pants on head retarded" of companies. I don't think that's true. I think it all comes down to profit margins. NVidia doesn't need to have their GPUs in Apple's products - they're doing just fine and don't need to sell their products at such low margins, while AMD definitely needs to see their products used, even if it means razor thin margins on what they sell to Apple. I think of nVidia in this case similar to how Logitech exited the OEM business - not because they were losing money, but because the small amount of profit wasn't worth the effort. That said, nVidia could definitely be willing to sell GPUs to Apple for a revised Mac Pro where margins are higher and NVidia is by far the best 4K/5K show in town.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:46
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I thought it was mainly about Apple hating Nvidias proprietary drivers.
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Apr 4, 2017 19:52
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If I get a MacBook Air with an i7 will that be good enough to play cs:go? Don't care if I have to play with settings on low I care about the frame rate not dipping in the middle of a firefight
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Apr 4, 2017 19:59
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Apr 4, 2017 20:03
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aww  Don't want to buy a gaming laptop but I probably don't have a choice
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Apr 4, 2017 20:12
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Escapebook Pro should be able to do that and is about the size of a MBA
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Apr 4, 2017 20:17
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eames posted:Escapebook Pro What?
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Apr 4, 2017 20:19
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eames posted:Escapebook Pro should be able to do that and is about the size of a MBA Your autocorrect is way out of control, but that would be a great name for a well built Linux laptop.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:22
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He means the non-touchbar Macbook Pro.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:24
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eames posted:Escapebook Pro should be able to do that and is about the size of a MBA And massively more expensive.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:27
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This really feels like they made this decision extremely recently. The fact they have what are effectively iMac Pros coming out and the fact they announced it like this makes me believe: - The plan until recently was to kill the Mac Pro and just make an iMac Pro - Apple was serious when they said they were out of the external display business when the LG 4K and 5K displays came out. - They flipped on both after the frustrated response to the Touch Bar Pros from professional users took them wildly off guard and the LG displays blew up in their face due to standard non-Apple subpar QC - It's going to take a year because they just started working on it I do not foresee a smaller, newer cheese grater. I think we'll see some of the cheese grater philosophy and the trash can philosophy. I would not be surprised to see custom GPUs, "get what you get" storage, but I also expect to see PCI-E slots.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:33
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Rex-Goliath posted:aww Don't do it it'll be a terrible experience.
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Apr 4, 2017 20:34
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Gaming laptops are a pipe dream. Build a gaming PC. MacOS is not what you want
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Apr 4, 2017 20:36
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For some reason my MacBook Pro is going to take longer to ship to the Apple Store then if I had it sent to a residential address. The Apple dude over the phone said he thinks it could be because of the volume in California but what? Anyways, I'll have my 15" MacBook Pro with 2.9ghz, Radeon 460, and 1tb by the end of next week for pick up. Hopefully it will magically appear earlier like all my other Apple orders. Also, holy poo poo taxes in California are wacky. Shipping it to the Apple Store one city over from where I'm staying at cost me $100 USD less in taxes. I didn't know it varied so much city to city as I'm used to HST 
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Apr 4, 2017 20:38
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Quantum of Phallus posted:Gaming laptops are a pipe dream. Build a gaming PC. MacOS is not what you want I travel a lot for work and I just want something lightweight that I can play csgo on at the hotel. May just have to abandon that thought 
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Apr 4, 2017 21:06
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pretty much every recent mbp will play csgo
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Apr 4, 2017 21:07
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Boiled Water posted:I thought it was mainly about Apple hating Nvidias proprietary drivers. What gave you that impression? Apple does not care about this, they ship many third-party proprietary drivers in macOS.
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Seriously csgo is not demanding. My 2013 rMBP played it great even on OS X at the time.
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