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Over and under odds on the eventual Magnus redemption arc?
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Apr 18, 2017 23:09
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Foxtrot_13 posted:Is it me or did Horus get the lovely end of the stick when it comes to Primarchs? AFAIK Magnus was never allied with Horus and consistently gave Lorgar the double bird every time Lorgar tried to woo him to the heresy. Perturabo is Frank Grimes. Mortarion was just a little weird with the fart huffing but mostly competent until the extra weird daddy issues.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:19
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mango sentinel posted:AFAIK Magnus was never allied with Horus and consistently gave Lorgar the double bird every time Lorgar tried to woo him to the heresy. lol @ Frank Grimes. I can see a blessed container on Perts desk filled with holy inscribing tools with PROPERTY OF PERTURABO written in some filigree flowy script.
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Apr 18, 2017 23:26
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Don't forget that Alpharius may or may not have been working against Horus from the inside. At the very least the Alpha Legion pursued their own interests pretty intensely for a while there. If I understood Legion and Deliverence Lost correctly, they were working with the Cabal before Horus was corrupted and then gave them a giant powerfist finger to pursue their own objectives while also trying to gently caress over Horus and the rest of the traitor legions. Hell, they planted infiltration cells on Terra years before the Heresy began.
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Apr 19, 2017 00:01
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Alternative pants posted:Don't forget that Alpharius may or may not have been working against Horus from the inside. At the very least the Alpha Legion pursued their own interests pretty intensely for a while there. If I recall correctly, they sold it in a way that they had countless different contingencies prepared, with every single hidden/embedded/buried operative being prepared for countless different iterations/combinations based on the keyword they were given upon activation. So the operatives on Terra weren't technically heretics, they were just primed for heresy through a bunch of prepared scenarios. I was also legit pissed when the Alpha Legion hosed with Corax' geneseed and then hosed off with it for themselves. Talk about a cockblock.
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Apr 19, 2017 00:43
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I'm sure I'm going to catch all kinds of hell for this, but, I just started Prospero Burns and the loving hammering of neologism after neologism makes me feel like I jumped headlong into season 5 episode 14 of a show I've never seen.  I love all of Dan Abnett's previous books in the series, but this one is becoming a massive chore to read. What's worse, is when the neologism is used as an analogy, as if I'm supposed to understand what the "blue skinned gods of the ancient Induz" or what "a woof like a winded fjorulalli, the great seal-mother" are supposed to be. It wouldn't be so bad if it wasn't so frequent. It seems like every paragraph has 3 instances of this happening. When I started the book, I had to keep checking that I didn't skip a few books in the series because of how left out I felt. It's really unfortunate because every single time it takes me right out of the story and leaves me feeling like I'm just completely lost.  I'm sorry if this comes off as troll-y or something, it isn't, this is the only place I know of where I can post about it.
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Apr 19, 2017 01:03
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The blue skinned gods of ancient india was kinda clear. But yeah the other one is not so much.
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Apr 19, 2017 01:09
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The important thing is that neither example is a neologism.
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Apr 19, 2017 01:18
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That's true, I just couldn't figure out how to describe when an author either mashes words together to form a new word, or slightly alters existing words to make a new word, neither of which exist outside it's context. Sure he didn't coin the terms, but he uses words and phrases over and over as if they were common and should be readily understood. Edit: not only that, but uses those words as an analogy to describe something. 
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Apr 19, 2017 01:22
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Kabuki Shipoopi posted:That's true, I just couldn't figure out how to describe when an author either mashes words together to form a new word, or slightly alters existing words to make a new word, neither of which exist outside it's context. Is 'portmanteau' the word you're looking for?
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Apr 19, 2017 01:38
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Note that Prospero Burns is a 40k-ized version of Eaters of the Dead. It's going to be a tad weird and fanciful.
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Apr 19, 2017 02:48
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Telsa Cola posted:Over and under odds on the eventual Magnus redemption arc? I would legit cream my pants if the Thousand Sons fight their way into the Golden Throne room and Magnus sits his rear end on the throne to let dad get off and gently caress poo poo up.
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Apr 19, 2017 06:29
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I honestly think that if he got the chance to repent and come back he would. He knows Horus hosed him over, he watched most of his sons turn to dust. I have not read the super latest books like the new Fenris ones but from the Horus heresy books he seems pretty depressed with what he eventually becomes and basically is resigned to it since he has no other options.
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Apr 19, 2017 07:00
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Telsa Cola posted:Over and under odds on the eventual Magnus redemption arc? I"m going with this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjBmT8y9PAU
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Apr 19, 2017 07:46
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Don't most of the Thousand Sons hate Magnus for letting Prospero be destroyed? So they could have Magnus rejoin the Imperium while keeping the Thousand Sons as they are.
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Apr 19, 2017 07:48
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Also Tzeench being Tzeench I totally see it as plausible that Magnus swaps even after being a daemon prince.
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Apr 19, 2017 08:29
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But he is still a Deamon Prince so it's probably never going to happen.
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Apr 22, 2017 08:09
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Tzeench literally is the god of plans foiling his own plans. Its plausible. Also Magnus has his whole shards thing going on and most of his shards seem decent so they could do a arc about his shards merging into the one true magnus or whatever.
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Apr 22, 2017 08:26
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Tzeentch's plan to foil mankind is foiled when Magnus semi-redeems himself but then Leman Russ returns at the worst possible moment so that's another layer of foiling.
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Apr 22, 2017 11:46
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DirtyRobot posted:Tzeentch's plan to foil mankind is foiled when Magnus semi-redeems himself but then Leman Russ returns at the worst possible moment so that's another layer of foiling. If you assume all story lines are really just to drive model sales than the solution becomes clear. Magnus and some of the Thousand Sons get redeemed and restored to a loyalist chapter. While Russ and some of the Space Furries fall to Chaos. Now GW has even more models to sell.
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Apr 22, 2017 15:32
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I could totes see the wolves not necessarily falling but going rogue cause the 13th legion came back all hosed up and warp tainted and they won't cooperate with the grey knights and the inquisition and so are excommunicated by some Inquisitior
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Apr 22, 2017 18:26
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13th company 
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Apr 22, 2017 18:40
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I was gonna say NEEEERD, but then I remembered what thread we're in. Also, I'm okay with no more primarchs coming back because they'll just be a bunch of sulky, pouty idiots arguing with each other and not get poo poo done at all...again.
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Apr 22, 2017 19:01
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Xae posted:If you assume all story lines are really just to drive model sales than the solution becomes clear. GW won't even do Fallen Dark Angels as a thing, let alone their precious chaotic-good Space Wolves as chaos. I think the lines are pretty much drawn and people have picked their sides. No primarchs will fall, and no Traitors will be redeemed. Magnus seems to have been made whole again, and in any case is both a daemon and his opening gambit was trying to wipe a founding Chapter. Hard to see anyone in the Imperium going "Ok, you helped us out some, you're back into the fold you filthy daemon-sorcerers, here's new aquilas for your armors!"
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Apr 22, 2017 19:07
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New Edition Announced: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A3G6JcLn24 Re: Magnus Chat. I was being a bit tongue-in-cheek with the Magnus and Rus role switch to sell models, but in many ways it works out. After all during the Burning of Prospero the Wolves were working for Horus and Magnus was loyal to the Emperor. The Space Puppies have been violating the Imperial Truth since the Council of Nikea and the only difference between a "Wulfen" and a Chaos Spawn is body hair.
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Apr 22, 2017 23:53
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A new Edition? Didn't they just release a new one two years ago?
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Apr 23, 2017 00:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:A new Edition? Didn't they just release a new one two years ago? 7th edition came out in May of 2014.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:18
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It's been that long? Wow. I have been out of it.
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Apr 23, 2017 00:52
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Steering back to Black Library stuff... I read Eisenhorn a while ago, and recently borrowed the Ravenor books from a friend, who said they were very good. I like the style and the characters, though they seem a bit underdeveloped. However... Ravenor and his team feel really, really dumb. Contrivedly dumb, even. We have to apprehend a dealer who works as a hunter for a big-rear end arena circus. Do we nab him at his home, or when he's going for a piss? Nope, we ambush him at the circus during a live show, in which the planetary government is attending so security is tripled and all of his pals and pit fighter buddies are about. Dealing with a very corrupting, potent psychic drug when one of your key team members starts acting erratically, having wild mood swings and messing up, literally acting like someone else in front of you. Run checks, psychic or otherwise, to see if anyone has been taking them? [spoiler] Nah, that would be mean. Having to travel with a cadre of alleged local officers [spoiler] that have been hostile to you in the past, have started trouble and messed things up purposefully before and imperiled your team. Make some plans in case they are corrupt and planning to betray you? Check their gear or minds for sensitive stuff? Nah, Inquisitors are big on blind trust. Pretending to be dead is smart so you can operate freely, right? Well, let's keep a moronic free trader that we used specifically because he is a loose-lipped dolt unguarded and by himself at anchor so our cover can be blown instantly when it matters the most. It feels like Ravenor is the rookie detective in Training Day instead of a genius that has been 60 years on the job.
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Apr 23, 2017 05:06
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Xae posted:
Hypocrisy has always been a core part of the 40k setting since the start, even if they have toned it down a lot since the Rogue Trader era. Mutants are bad and must be killed on sight but without them we can't do inter-system space travel. Psykers are bad and must be killed on sight but without them we can't do inter-system space travel and can't have ftl comms. Plus the big god guy is a psyker. Lots more examples are around as well
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Apr 23, 2017 11:40
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Yup. There's also the 'religion is a gateway to chaos and must be purged' morphing into "The God-emperor is the realest and godliest dude". Given how wholly the Imperium embraces some of the very things the Big E freaked out about, it's kind of amazing it lasted 10k years. The Emperor owes Lorgar a big apology for writing the basis of the system that kept mankind away from chaos better than the Emperor himself while he was alive, is all I'm saying. Maybe a fruit basket, too.
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Apr 23, 2017 12:44
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Foxtrot_13 posted:Hypocrisy has always been a core part of the 40k setting since the start, even if they have toned it down a lot since the Rogue Trader era. To me, one of the most entertaining ironies of the setting is that the same dude wrote the central holy book of both major human religions. A few recent books have mentioned Lorgar's Lectitio Divinitatus from the Heresy books as being the central holy text of the Ecclesiarchy.
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Apr 23, 2017 13:45
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Well his first book was 'the emperor is totally a god' and after being publicly punished and told to stop, his second one was 'the emperor is totally a big fat liar and the pantheon of Chaos are the true gods who like me more than my dad did' It's funny in that the surviving Imperium adopted the work the emperor himself rejected but arguably while that allowed them to survive it equally has stunted the capacity for humanity to develop. The Imperial cult makes any kind of social change very difficult as well as creating another pole of power in the Imperial world to set off on other parts with other priorities. To get poetic, the Cult creates a fortress of belief around humanity but that fortress works just as well at preventing humanity from exploring the cosmos and finding better ideas as it does to protect against Chaos. Of course big E lost after the Heresy so maybe his goal was even more disastrous.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:05
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Cythereal posted:To me, one of the most entertaining ironies of the setting is that the same dude wrote the central holy book of both major human religions. A few recent books have mentioned Lorgar's Lectitio Divinitatus from the Heresy books as being the central holy text of the Ecclesiarchy. my favorite warhams irony is that The "Angel", Primarch of the IX Legion, one of His Most Beloved, Regal and Nobel of all His Sons, renown for his charisma and loyalt, even laying down his life for The Emperor is a loving giant mutant with wings growing from his god drat back, nope no mutants here keep it movin but make sure you report any you see for immediate and summary execution thanks.
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Apr 23, 2017 19:13
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Waroduce posted:my favorite warhams irony is that The "Angel", Primarch of the IX Legion, one of His Most Beloved, Regal and Nobel of all His Sons, renown for his charisma and loyalt, even laying down his life for The Emperor is a loving giant mutant with wings growing from his god drat back, nope no mutants here keep it movin but make sure you report any you see for immediate and summary execution thanks. Holy poo poo I somehow never realized the wings in all the Sanguinius art were actually part of him lol
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Apr 24, 2017 02:05
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mango sentinel posted:Holy poo poo I somehow never realized the wings in all the Sanguinius art were actually part of him lol Yeah, it took me a while as well. I think I was even in denial all the way through Fear To Tread. I kept telling myself that it's all just exaggerated metaphors or over-illustrations, and that I'm probably just misunderstanding. I mean, Corax has wings, but with a jump pack, maybe there's some sort of graviton suspensors or similar  keeping him aloft.Then, in Unremembered Empire, he literally flies, and I was all 
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Apr 24, 2017 03:38
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I mean... I guess you never read a Blood Angels codex then?
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Apr 24, 2017 03:41
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lol if you didn't realize they were real wings within 5 minutes of reading about Sanguinius, Lord of the Blood Angels
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Apr 24, 2017 03:47
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Arquinsiel posted:I mean... I guess you never read a Blood Angels codex then? I actually loving played Blood Angels when i started 40k forever and a day ago. I can't really tell you why, and I assure you I feel like a doofus for it, but I genuinely always thought it was all this exaggerated deification of a primarch. I legit didn't think one of the emperor's perfect human creations wasn't just an angel in name, but an actual loving mutant of biblical origin, in defiance of the imperial truth and creed, and in plain sight for all to witness, no less...
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Apr 24, 2017 06:07
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Well poo poo man. I don't even know what the gently caress then.
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Apr 24, 2017 06:39
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