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Extremely Penetrated posted:quoting from the other thread because it triggered me I was writing a longer response but then I realized our service desk very rarely sends firewall request through without all those details and when they do it's usually because it's due to a problem they can't diagnose which is fair. If you sent me a job without those details I'd probably assume you don't know what your requirements are. If you don't know the ports, and IP addresses, and have documentation your application probably isn't ready for any firewall changes...
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The only firewall changes I get asked to make are for peoples home addresses these days, which I have to do regardless of it being stupid. These people will then complain that after a day i've "revoked" their access. I haven't revoked it you tit, your IP has changed again, because your home IP isn't static. You actually work on the IT team. I've told you this at least five times. Stop being stupid.
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dogstile posted:The only firewall changes I get asked to make are for peoples home addresses these days, which I have to do regardless of it being stupid. These people will then complain that after a day i've "revoked" their access. Just make them use a VPN?
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Thanks Ants posted:I don't think it's that unreasonable to have to supply ports, protocols, source and destinations when raising requests for firewall changes to be made. I agree. Figuring out how to get two boxes to talk to each other isn't Network's job. They just provide the wires and hardware, as well as a second set of eyes to look at the proposed changes, double checking that they make sense and won't break anything else.
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It's for a report server, so it's a client thing. We whitelist their place of work, but we've been making exceptions for certain clients because "reasons". Anyway, that's all taking a backseat because some idiot just got hit with the cerber crypto poo poo, so my day is pretty much booked now. 
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Extremely Penetrated posted:then what's their job? Probably monitoring network flow for bottlenecks, watching for rogue devices, maintaining the infrastructure, likely running cables, possibly setting up servers depending on your infrastructure, dealing with VPN issues, resetting configs on routers, replacing switches. You know, networking. Not guessing what your requirements are for a change.
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PremiumSupport posted:I agree. Figuring out how to get two boxes to talk to each other isn't Network's job. They just provide the wires and hardware, as well as a second set of eyes to look at the proposed changes, double checking that they make sense and won't break anything else. Not these days. When vlans, trunking, and ip helpers are things that organizations have enabled getting networking involved with basic troubleshooting happens quite often. Especially when said networking group has no form of configuration management and people regularly forget what is or is not turned on on a given switch. SOP for my group if a new server can't get a dhcp address is ring up networking and ask them to verify ip helpers for the associated port. 
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When I'm asked to provision a new VM (or deploy some storage, or package an app for distribution, etc) I don't push back some template asking for every little config detail. I'll read the vendor's docs and figure out what they'll need. When I'm not sure about something I'll ask. Doing research like this is part of the job, and I don't see why Networking should be exempt. We're all paid the same
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There was a post in SH/SC or YOSPOS a while back, which was a long effort post about someone that used to be a developer that worked on an automated sewing machine, that for some reason the manufacturing company had a low-end version that worked on cow manure, and how a certain opcode would case the threading to go through the manure. They were never quite able to solve it, and to this day <opcode which was actually a user's name> makes lovely threads. Does anyone know what post that was? I'm trying to find it to reference for someone else and I simply cannot find it from searching.
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I just had a random old laptop show up from a branch location. It was a return of a laptop from a former employee. After some digging, it was from an employee that left the company 7 years ago. Strangely though it is missing my inventory tags and is not joined to the domain, so I never knew it was missing. It predates the creation of our AD domain and inventory scanning. The store held onto it for 7 years.. and just decided to send it back. Better late than never I suppose. stevewm fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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Apr 19, 2017 18:41
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Through some seriously manipulative bullshit, my chances of sliding off the team I'm on into another have been canned. My boss also told me that I'm "too bitchy" to be promoted to a technical lead role. Ever. And that my technical skills are above a senior level. But I should push back more when I'm given more work than can be done in the scope provided. In related news, I have PMs, references, and shower--anyone know someone that's hiring a non-senior data Scientist / data analyst? 
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meanieface posted:My boss also told me that I'm "too bitchy" to be promoted to a technical lead role. Ever. And that my technical skills are above a senior level. Don't know if this is applicable, or how much you care, but: http://www.kielichlawfirm.com/employment-law/sex-discrimination/ quote:In sex discrimination cases this kind of discrimination often arises in hiring or promotion practices. Women are often the victim of this form of discrimination because they may be stereotyped as “too weak” or “too feminine” to work in manual labor jobs or “too weak”, “too assertive”, “too bitchy”, or “too attractive to be taken seriously” in white collar jobs. Many jobs carry gender or sex stereotypes that one sex or the other should be the only ones to handle those jobs. Some jobs are stereotyped as “male jobs” and some as “female jobs” and the opposite sex may have a hard time getting hired or promoted into those positions.
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meanieface posted:Through some seriously manipulative bullshit, my chances of sliding off the team I'm on into another have been canned. If you're a woman that's some straight up discrimination using not very good code words. I know that it's not always realistic to go to HR on something like this or even lawyer up. Getting the gently caress out of there is a good move.
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meanieface posted:Through some seriously manipulative bullshit, my chances of sliding off the team I'm on into another have been canned. Sent you a PM. Also, if you got any of that in writing, enjoy your sacks of cash from the lawsuit.
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What if you actually are too bitchy, forums user "meanieface"?
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I don't know if that's just meant to be awful sarcasm that's not translating, but please don't do that.
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Volmarias posted:There was a post in SH/SC or YOSPOS a while back, which was a long effort post about someone that used to be a developer that worked on an automated sewing machine, that for some reason the manufacturing company had a low-end version that worked on cow manure, and how a certain opcode would case the threading to go through the manure. They were never quite able to solve it, and to this day <opcode which was actually a user's name> makes lovely threads. That Turkey Story posted:I work as a programmer coding software for an automatic sewing machine that runs entirely on cow manure to be used primarily by wives of cattle farmers (not even kidding). Despite how it sounds, we somehow have a steady stream of consumers and the software itself is surprisingly complicated -- the machine manages all different kinds of needles and threads, switching between them via a simple interface and it alerts the user when spools are running low, etc. It's not exactly the most fun work I've done, but it's unique and it pays well. Shalhavet fucked around with this message at 20:01 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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). Furthermore, we have a strict versioning convention where you append "v#" to any new factory name that is a revised version of another factory where # is the version number). For instance, at some point early on in development before I got here, the type for representing upholstery needle's was totally revamped and a new type was created -- rather than reuse the same factory name, the old one still exists, but if you want the new type, you have to use the "unv2" factory, where "unv2" stands for upholstery needle version 2. Couple this with the fact that there are pretty much no comments and you get impossible to read code that you have to analyze to figure out what it's supposed to be doing.
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meanieface posted:Through some seriously manipulative bullshit, my chances of sliding off the team I'm on into another have been canned. Where are you located?
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Sorry, but that is a setup and punchline joke right? I can't tell if there is an actual poo poo sewing machine or not. Edit: Took me too long to figure out https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3216686 Sibling of TB fucked around with this message at 21:12 on Apr 19, 2017 |
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I'm still trying to envisage how a sewing machine can run on poo, like I get that you can rig up a car to run on burning wood but a sewing machine?
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If you can burn something you can generate steam and with steam you can create mechanical force. But modifying code paths based on gender? Bullshit.
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porktree posted:If you're a woman that's some straight up discrimination using not very good code words. I know that it's not always realistic to go to HR on something like this or even lawyer up. Getting the gently caress out of there is a good move. I don't have it in writing, unfortunately. I know what it is, and it's awful. Trying to play the line between too 'aggressive' and too 'passive' is exhausting. Getting phone calls from other managers because they're worried about me due to the ongoing toxicity coming from my direct management team, also exhausting. The coded version that was in writing was "be mindful of what your role is".  milk milk lemonade posted:Where are you located? A flyover state with not much in the way of these jobs. One of the more honest recruiters here referred to finding big data jobs as "a unicorn". Mr. Meanieface has taken the past few weeks as a sign from above that "a change might be good", so moving to the west coast is an option now.
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meanieface posted:I don't have it in writing, unfortunately. I know what it is, and it's awful. Trying to play the line between too 'aggressive' and too 'passive' is exhausting. Getting phone calls from other managers because they're worried about me due to the ongoing toxicity coming from my direct management team, also exhausting. The coded version that was in writing was "be mindful of what your role is". How about east coast? see the PM i sent you. The company I work for would love to have more data scientists; its a big part of what we currently do.
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Shalhavet posted:Apparently it was in Cavern of Cobol. There it is, thank you!
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Extremely Penetrated posted:When I'm asked to provision a new VM (or deploy some storage, or package an app for distribution, etc) I don't push back some template asking for every little config detail. I'll read the vendor's docs and figure out what they'll need. When I'm not sure about something I'll ask. Doing research like this is part of the job, and I don't see why Networking should be exempt. We're all paid the same Our department used to manage all the firewalls as well as the networking portion. If I had to spend time researching every application that was being deployed for what firewall ports it needed, along with figuring out what servers it needed to talk to, I would have never caught up. Doesn't seem too unreasonable to me that if you want a program to talk between servers, that you figure out what it needs. I'd help them if they weren't sure, or follow traffic logs if I had time, but if someone had all the info right in the CO, then I can get their stuff running quicker.
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Agreed, if you're truly stuck and what you've asked isn't working then i'll have a look and give you a a hand. If you're just saying "yeah make this program work for me" then you can gently caress off.
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dogstile posted:Agreed, if you're truly stuck and what you've asked isn't working then i'll have a look and give you a a hand. If you're just saying "yeah make this program work for me" then you can gently caress off. Absolutely. If you need X to go through the network, it's on you to tell Networking what resources you need. They aren't asking you to create ACL statements. Just SRC, DST, PORTS and PROTOCOL.
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flosofl posted:Absolutely. That, unfortunately, presumes that the person/department trying to get X working knows what they need, or even that their vendor knows what they need. I can not even count how many times I've had customers come to me saying "the firewall" was blocking their application and that the vendor said they needed port whatever open inbound to all PCs. In a NAT environment.
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xzzy posted:But modifying code paths based on gender? Bullshit. 
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meanieface posted:Through some seriously manipulative bullshit, my chances of sliding off the team I'm on into another have been canned. Sorry to hear about your job dead-ending. But we are always hiring. Agrikk fucked around with this message at 20:02 on Apr 20, 2017 |
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Well this is new, the bathroom smells heavily of weed.
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It's 420 you see...
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pixaal posted:Well this is new, the bathroom smells heavily of weed. Auhuhu hey maaan, you ever worked a job....ON WEED?!
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I don't see how anyone could work a real job while high, like there's no loving way I could do mine because if I had to talk to a customer or even co-worker about something it would be awful.
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I struggle enough after a couple of pints in the sun on a Friday lunchtime
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I struggle enough after just a cup of coffee in the morning.
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MF_James posted:I don't see how anyone could work a real job while high, like there's no loving way I could do mine because if I had to talk to a customer or even co-worker about something it would be awful.
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MF_James posted:I don't see how anyone could work a real job while high, like there's no loving way I could do mine because if I had to talk to a customer or even co-worker about something it would be awful. Yeah, it's never the job, it's the people, that get in the way of OTJ substance abuse. I did my last couple semesters of CS mostly high, but only because I could hide in my room and pump DnB while I cranked through code. I made sure to do design and spec sober though.
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Why are so many application developers totally incapable of getting search right? Why does this piece of poo poo application I am trying to use not support any way to search for two words that must appear in the results, and instead treats everything as OR, even when surrounded in quotes?
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