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CestMoi posted:Pound's editing preserved the core goodness of the ideas of the Waste Land but couldn't save Eliot's dumb sounding words. https://twitter.com/johnvvariety/status/529790772476788736 https://twitter.com/johnvvariety/status/855883719290310656
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CestMoi posted:Heck, I'd say you can't be a good writer if you're not antisemitic. That explains Philip Roth.
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Eliot's poetry>>>Pound's poetry e: The Waste Land is much more revealing when you listen to Eliot himself read it aloud Mover fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Only the cat stuff though.
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Mover posted:Eliot's poetry>>>Pound's poetry Staggeringly incorrect
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hmmm shall I read the poet with reactionary themes who sounds like crap, or the poet with reactionary themes who has one of the best ears for sound and prosody that has ever existed in poetry this is like Sophie's choice
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Ezra Pound is my porn name
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Also is there a greater representation of the total decadence of the literary community than "Well yes, he was a nazi but his poems were so pretty"
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i have some bad news about your best friend, the Author. they... didn't make it
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In a Barthsian sense, they inducted a corpse into America's Academy of Poets, yes
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Cloks posted:That explains Philip Roth. The Plot Against Myself
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Thanks for the recommendations! I ordered a bunch of books: Zone by Mathias Enard A Naked Singularity by Sergio de la Pava The Recognitions by William Gaddis Skylark by Deszo Kosztolanyi Along with some Christina Stead, Bohumil Hrabal, D. Keith Mano and some other rad stuff. Time to dive into some long rear end, heavy books! Keep those recs flowing if you've got em.
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Mover posted:Eliot's poetry>>>Pound's poetry Eliot reads poetry amazingly shittily
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jonnykungfu posted:Thanks for the recommendations! I ordered a bunch of books: Good poo poo.
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I finished The Ministry of Utmost Happiness and didn't really like it. Too bad. There were some beautiful parts, though! I've cracked open Alan Moore's Jerusalem...see ya'll in six months to a year.
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I finished The Ministry of Utmost Happiness and didn't really like it. Too bad. There were some beautiful parts, though! I enjoyed it, but definitely understand where you are coming from. It was not nearly as good as God of Small things which had a tighter narrative and felt like a more realized and personal story that still gave insight into Indian caste struggles. This felt more experimental and also - having read some of the non-fic that she's written in the interim - like she wanted to create a magnum opus which touched a bunch of different topics but couldn't really do a lot of them justice.
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I'm reading The Nix and I like everything about it so far but the dialogue. It is quite unrealistic and sounds like it's written by Diablo Cody.
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blue squares posted:I'm reading The Nix and I like everything about it so far but the dialogue. It is quite unrealistic and sounds like it's written by Diablo Cody. I couldn't stand The Nix. I gave up after about 150 pages; remember thinking that it was just too unrealistic and I hated the portrayal of the female student and her comeuppance.
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People get Pound wrong and it's his early stuff that's good though his Imagist manifesto is also nice. T.S. Eliot is good as is Tradition and the Individual Talent. Neither of them are as good as Joyce and they're way shittier to boot. Mel Mudkiper posted:Also is there a greater representation of the total decadence of the literary community than "Well yes, he was a nazi but his poems were so pretty" Lol so true though vast majority of authors throughout history probably had lovely views compared to contemporaries who had better ones. I remember Terry Eagleton saying something like 'Milton, Blake and Shelley are the only canonical English poets worth listening to if you value being a good person over pretty words'. But I think at the moment the left has aesthetics on its side. I think Pound is pretty much the only fascist ever who could actually write well and had a sense of humour. The last good right-wing author was Larkin and even then his sense of humour's overrated. There's pretty much no conservative writer aroudn today who could make you laugh if their life depended on it, and they have poo poo taste too
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I am not sure if you can call Saul Bellow a conservative writer when he went right after most of his better works
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Invicta{HOG}, M.D. posted:I've cracked open Alan Moore's Jerusalem...see ya'll in six months to a year. Let us know how you like it. Personally I thought the transition to Book 2 (and especially the very last sentences of Book 1) was one of the more memorable moments in recent literature. Book 2 overall was loads of fun. It's one of those works that will stay with you. Be patient in Book 1, it's all a big setup and it will go somewhere. Just enjoy the ride.
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mdemone posted:Be patient in season 1, it's all a big setup and it will go somewhere. Just enjoy the ride. I haven't read the book. Just saying, it's the same poo poo people say about lovely TV shows.
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Powaqoatse posted:I haven't read the book. Just saying, it's the same poo poo people say about lovely TV shows. It's a fair cop. Book 1 is largely a series of character vignettes, each of which is interesting for one reason or another, but it can seem a little disjointed or extraneous -- I'm just promising that it is neither.
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if each part by itself (or by following on the previous, whatever) is interesting enough to keep reading, yea it's fine 
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J_RBG posted:I think Pound is pretty much the only fascist ever who could actually write well and had a sense of humour.
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I'm experiencing severe deja vu about making this post but I finally finished Funeral Rites and it ruled. Wasn't quite sure where it was going in the beginning with the corpse eating and unwashed Hitler rimjobs but when it got into the psychology n demographics of french collaborators and the constant owns on the french middle class I was hooked. I'm now halfway through Coinlocker Babies and very excited to see where it goes.
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J_RBG posted:. I think Pound is pretty much the only fascist ever who could actually write well and had a sense of humour. the dude in ulvir's av would like a word
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V. Illych L. posted:the dude in ulvir's av would like a word "most avs would" *turns on the music* /  "btw would you mind if invited a friendly av? ... dont. i already did." / -- cut to -- 
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CestMoi posted:hmmm shall I read the poet with reactionary themes who sounds like crap, or the poet with reactionary themes who has one of the best ears for sound and prosody that has ever existed in poetry this is like Sophie's choice sorry friend, pound's gradually diminishing status among the modernists is the beginning of his fall into the Literal Trash category. with usura hath no man a house of good stone.
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V. Illych L. posted:the dude in ulvir's av would like a word word. also haven't read Celine but I've heard real good things about his body of work
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What are the authors most similar to Jeffery Eugenedies?
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blue squares posted:What are the authors most similar to Jeffery Eugenedies? Chad Harbach but you've probably read Art of Fielding.
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Cloks posted:Chad Harbach but you've probably read Art of Fielding. I have not! The Art of Fielding was being sold on major discounts from the first time I heard of it, so I started to assume it was bad due to never seeing it on sale for full price.
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Art of Fielding real good
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Art of Fielding real good This but unironic E: To add to this, I just tore through The Virgin Suicides in three days. If you're looking for another book that tells a personal story against the backdrop of a dying city, I recommend The Risk Pool by Richard Russo. For something more like Middlesex, Motherless Brooklyn by Johnathan Lethem. Lastly, the closest parallel to The Marriage Plot that I can think of is Jonathan Franzen's Freedom. Cloks fucked around with this message at 02:36 on Jul 23, 2017 |
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Art of Fielding is very good. Loved that book.
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RIP eugene
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jonnykungfu posted:Thanks for the recommendations! I ordered a bunch of books: Based on your earlier rec request, it sounds like we have a pretty similar interests. Can I ask what other authors/works you've found to satisfy those criteria? Where do you fall on someone like Bernhard or Gass?
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Mel Mudkiper posted:Also is there a greater representation of the total decadence of the literary community than "Well yes, he was a nazi but his poems were so pretty" This seems like a weird take
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