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Avalerion posted:I doubt Tony even knew he bankrupted someone. He was probably thinking "dangerous alien tech, best have qualified personnel take care of this, if we let any random joe go at it they might blown themselves up or misuse it!". Actually, the city would be on the hook for all the trucks and poo poo he bought to do the job, as well as the salaries of the guys he hired to do the job since he accepted the contract in good faith. The city might try to get out of it and make the Federal Government pay them because the Fed's barged in to take control, so maybe the money would be tied up in litigation for a while, but he'd get paid eventually. Of course, that could still bankrupt his business depending on the bills he has. But that's not Tony's fault.
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Yeah I think if we're being totally realistic, Toomes would have made a big stink and Tony would have paid him off without even thinking about it.
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precision posted:Yeah I think if we're being totally realistic, Toomes would have made a big stink and Tony would have paid him off without even thinking about it. Given that this is Avengers Tony and Toomes was clearly starting to figure out alien tech already, you'd think Toomes could have outright gotten a job with Stark Industries for it.
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WillyTheNewGuy posted:I figure they moved away from Flash being a stereo typical "jock" bully because Peter could just take punches from him all day and not care. It's also too easy for Peter to turn the tables on a physical bully by being quick. Also, Parker is loving ripped. Anyone guy who takes gym would notice it given that they change together. That probably really damps down the possibilty of getting physically bullied. Though I wonder how he explained where the six pack came from after getting bit by the spider?
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Cythereal posted:Given that this is Avengers Tony and Toomes was clearly starting to figure out alien tech already, you'd think Toomes could have outright gotten a job with Stark Industries for it. In real life he'd probaby be offered house arrest or something to work with the government/Stark even after all he did.
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Now I'm surprised there wasn't a credits scene where Stark approaches Cool Rick (toomes' friend) and offers him a job.
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Charlz Guybon posted:In real life he'd probaby be offered house arrest or something to work with the government/Stark even after all he did. I was thinking more immediately after he lost the original contract. Tony's not a bad guy and he seems to always be looking for fresh talent for Stark Industries. I don't think Toomes would have wanted to sell out like that, but it was an option.
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Charlz Guybon posted:Also, Parker is loving ripped. Anyone guy who takes gym would notice it given that they change together. That probably really damps down the possibilty of getting physically bullied. Most dudes aren't checking out other dudes in the locker room, I doubt anyone would notice. If they are the type to notice, they're too distracted by the sexiness to worry about it.
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Here's a pretty interesting interpretation of the movie by the same lady who found plotholes in Suicide Squad. I didn't even think of the Hey Arnold analogy until she brought it up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DC_AqezinXM
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Cythereal posted:Given that this is Avengers Tony and Toomes was clearly starting to figure out alien tech already, you'd think Toomes could have outright gotten a job with Stark Industries for it. At the time that was going on, Pepper was running Stark Industries, and she turned down a collaboration with someone had independently invented human regeneration, not just made some progress fiddling with some alien junk he'd found. If it could even tangentially be used for a weapon, she was saying no on Tony's orders. And the alien stuff is literally a bunch of weapons left behind by some alien invaders. As we see, Damage Control is just locking the stuff in a vault. They seem to have no interest in how it works.
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WampaLord posted:Also, what do you expect Peter to do when most of the calls he hears are things like domestic disputes or other situations along those lines? Go in there and beat up abusive husbands himself? It's what golden age Superman did, and if he did it, it can't be wrong!
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Junior Jr. posted:Here's a pretty interesting interpretation of the movie by the same lady who found plotholes in Suicide Squad. I didn't even think of the Hey Arnold analogy until she brought it up. Spidey needs a hidden loft apartment with remote-control furniture. Charlz Guybon posted:It's what golden age Superman did, and if he did it, it can't be wrong! This but unironically. Why don't we have more low-stakes superheroes? A victim of abuse who goes after abusers, probably exacting disproportionate retribution in the process and scaring the poo poo out of everyone. Tracking down pedophiles and loving up Pray Away The Gay camps. (same thing) Batman occasionally does that kind of thing, being the poster boy for child victims of trauma.
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Inescapable Duck posted:This but unironically. Because then you end up in a scenario where Spidey just beat the gently caress out of someone who was doing a consensual kink scene with their loving partner. Seriously, he should let the cops handle poo poo like this, they have training and resources and don't just web everyone into a wall. Also, you're describing The Punisher, so we do have that.
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WampaLord posted:Because then you end up in a scenario where Spidey just beat the gently caress out of someone who was doing a consensual kink scene with their loving partner. Think about what you're saying here. Doesn't that make it all the more interesting? Also, the Punisher isn't so much that as a Death Wish murder fantasy of a Good Guy With A Gun.
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I just remembered, I love that Spidey and Happy got to have a discussion about what is NBD.
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It was so obvious Michelle knew who he was when she asked what he was hiding at the end of the movie. http://spatziline.tumblr.com/post/162851611196/oh-snap-moringmark-and-i-where-talking-about-how         Also, what year is it? 
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Inescapable Duck posted:Think about what you're saying here. Doesn't that make it all the more interesting? We got a sfw verion of that with the car thief. If the whole movie was about this kind of stuff it would miss the "super" part of superhero though. Like wasn't "Superman just does mundane stuff" the main complain against Returns? Avalerion fucked around with this message at 11:10 on Jul 20, 2017 |
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Charlz Guybon posted:Also, what year is it? This is funny but the Battle of New York happened in 2009. All the Phase One films happened over a year. Guardians is based a few months after the first but is isolated so doesn't matter. Ragnorok in back in current time.
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PriorMarcus posted:This is funny but the Battle of New York happened in 2009. All the Phase One films happened over a year. Iron Man 2 and The Incredible Hulk happen around the same time, the university rampage is on the news on a TV screen.
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This was really good and had a hard-to-pin-down charm and emotional core I feel has been missing from many Marvel movies. I am also glad that they didn't feel the need to re-re-rehash his origin story, even as a flashback or framing device. At this point there are probably uncontacted Amazonian tribal cultures that are aware of A-list superhero origin stories by cultural osmosis. I really thought Micheal Keaton was a stand-out as a sympathetic villain and would love to see him get some more work as Vulture, or just in general. He was the best thing about the terrible RoboCop reboot, up to the point where he had to become Chaotic Retarded for plot reasons in the third act. I enjoyed getting trolled by Cap for patiently waiting for my post-credit cookie.
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I just wanna say I'm really, really enjoying the soundtrack to this movie. Giacchino's punny titles are great, as usual, but I feel like he missed a trick by not naming "Fly-By-Night Operation" "Raiders of the Lost Stark" and "A Boatload of Trouble Pt. 2" "Ship's About to Go Down".
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Snowglobe of Doom posted:And even when Thor did need a secret identity it was still .... problematic. Which comic is this? Love the dig at Manhattan prices.
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Walter Simonson's Thor I believe.
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Cnut the Great posted:Well, at this point, without easily accessible video we're just going to be talking in vague generalities, but just compare any of the action scenes from this movie with any action scene from the Raimi movies.The action scenes in the Raimi movies have attractive framing, inventive staging, creative angles, clear lines of action, etc. Homecoming just shows things happening, and a few times it wasn't even shown all that well or that clearly. This whole scene rules.
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Watching Spider-Man as an adult is exhausting. You just feel tired at the end of it with all the life poo poo piling on.
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:This whole scene rules. The whole movie rules. I still think it's the greatest superhero movie of all time.
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Cnut the Great posted:The whole movie rules. I still think it's the greatest superhero movie of all time. It'll never be out of the running as far as I'm concerned.
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Homeconming is a fun movie, although I'd find it pretty funny if Holland could holler a good scream scene. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jJ9sQTX4EE
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One thing that puzzled me and I wonder if it's something that ended up on the editing room floor - when Spidey first chases the van through the neighborhood, he trashes a bunch of houses and terrifies some kids and basically does a miniature "battle of New York" on that whole part of town, and I was sure that was going to come back and make him Feel Bad like what happened at the ATM robbery. But speaking of that, why didn't Peter say "Tony, can you rebuild this sandwich shop for me". I'm starting to wonder if Tony Stark is even a good guy!
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Shageletic posted:Which comic is this? Love the dig at Manhattan prices. Mighty Thor #341, March 1984. Nick Fury gives Thor a new secret identity and a cover story as a construction worker but the dragon Fafnir turns up at the building site and starts causing trouble!
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Inescapable Duck posted:Why don't we have more low-stakes superheroes? 
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Man, Tyne Daly (the head of Damage Control in that first scene) looked so bloody familiar, but looking at her filmography I haven't seen anything she's been in aside from a few single episodes of Mission Impossible and such. Anyway, fun movie. It's no Spiderman 2 (but then, what is?) but Holland was fun, Keaton was amazing, and the movie was a dorky mood-swingy teenager. Didn't feel the need to blatantly spotlight little touches either, like Stark mentioning the churro lady showing he was listening to the voicemails.
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Bruceski posted:Man, Tyne Daly (the head of Damage Control in that first scene) looked so bloody familiar, but looking at her filmography I haven't seen anything she's been in aside from a few single episodes of Mission Impossible and such. if you have a mother above the age of 40, your mother will know her from Cagney and Lacey and/or Judging Amy
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Watching the original Spider-Man movies again honestly the 3rd is like Iron Man 2, the unrecognized best in the trilogy. It's hilarious and unlike most marvel movies the humor is grounded in the plot. Rami's movies really focus on being a superhero as an outlet for Peter's sexual insecurity. Parker is constantly getting poo poo on meanwhile almost every time Spider-Man is in a well populated scene there's a quick shot some random women ogling him. Of course the second Peter has any success with women he turns evil.
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I think Ultimate Spider-Man has that famous panel where Black Cat, who was hitting on Spidey, finds out he's a teenager and she throws up.
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She throws up on his crotch! Gross. But spider-man 3 has a french maitre d' keep calling him Peter Pecker and make a show of putting on his glasses to see the tiny stone on Pecker's engagement ring. Hilarious! E: haha it's Bruce Campbell I had no idea https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDuupsaAA_8 Sinding Johansson fucked around with this message at 08:29 on Jul 27, 2017 |
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Sinding Johansson posted:Watching the original Spider-Man movies again honestly the 3rd is like Iron Man 2, the unrecognized best in the trilogy. It's hilarious and unlike most marvel movies the humor is grounded in the plot. Rami's movies really focus on being a superhero as an outlet for Peter's sexual insecurity. Parker is constantly getting poo poo on meanwhile almost every time Spider-Man is in a well populated scene there's a quick shot some random women ogling him. Of course the second Peter has any success with women he turns evil. Almost every individual part of Spider-Man 3 is good (because it's still Sam Raimi making the movie), it's just that the movie has some structural issues which come from Raimi being forced to insert a whole extra villain he didn't want to deal with. At the same time though, all the themes and imagery that come with the Symbiote are really compelling and worthwhile. I wonder if Raimi was uninterested in the whole Symbiote concept in general, or if he just didn't want to deal with Venom. The latter is pretty understandable, though I'd argue that once you introduce the Symbiote it kind of just makes both thematic and comic book sense to have Peter's inner darkness reified as a physical adversary by the end of it all. And you also need a major villain to act as a punching bag for Peter while he's going through his dark phase. And you also need to deal with Harry and his inheritance of the Goblin persona teased at the end of the last movie. Structurally, I think the real problem is actually Sandman and the necessity of including a whole arc for him amidst everything else that's going on. It probably would have worked better in that sense to just drop Sandman and put Harry fully in the role of major villain before Venom appears at the end. But that's a tough call because I really like a lot of the stuff with Sandman, at least compared to the Venom stuff. But the Venom stuff was probably underwhelming in large part because Raimi didn't like the character. Venom can be a good villain in the the right hands, even if he so often isn't. I don't know, I think I'm cool with it just being the way it is, imperfect as it may be. Though yeah, Sony really shouldn't have forced Venom on him.
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Sandman is good because he's a working class villain like pete is a working class hero. He should have his own movie.
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