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Kanos posted:Presumably it doesn't work like this, since Goku had to ask Baba for help and King Yemma for permission to bring Freeza back, as opposed to simply teleporting to hell and prison breaking him. I assumed he was just being polite.
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TheHan posted:Yeah but that's still in his own universe, he seems to have trouble getting to Beerus's planet so there's definitely some kind of limit. Beerus' planet is really far away. Rutibex posted:Is there anything stopping Goku from instant transmissioning back to the living world when he is dead? He can go the other way around, and dead people seem to exist fine in the living world with their halos. Nothing explicit but it seems there's something preventing it. Also Bojack had him punch him in the face a pop back. Also Goku didn't abandon his family its shown in Neko Majin that they all hung out together. 
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Jul 31, 2017 03:44
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Jedah posted:I got the impression that was Goku needing their permission to release Freeza from his punishment in hell, and that they had the ability to free Freeza for 24 hours. But I won't pretend to know how this works.
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Jul 31, 2017 03:52
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Kild posted:Nothing explicit but it seems there's something preventing it. Also Bojack had him punch him in the face a pop back. Also Goku didn't abandon his family its shown in Neko Majin that they all hung out together. i cant wait until they do a timeskip and reveal that neko majin is canon
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Jul 31, 2017 03:55
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Jedah posted:I got the impression that was Goku needing their permission to release Freeza from his punishment in hell, and that they had the ability to free Freeza for 24 hours. But I won't pretend to know how this works. Yeah, that's what I mean. Goku actually went through the process instead of saying "Hey let's add Freeza to the team" and then teleporting to hell and bringing him back, which implies the process is actually necessary instead of instant transmission making you immune to being dead. Rutibex posted:I assumed he was just being polite. Since when has Goku ever been polite about overcoming obstacles between him and a fight?
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Jul 31, 2017 03:58
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Nessus posted:Goku might not be able to take other people with him or leave the Afterlife if he or they are dead at the time, but there's the 24 hour clause which they're milking. That's a good point, maybe he can teleport there, but can't prison-break dead people on his own. I can't think of a situation where a living Goku has tried to grab somebody from the afterlife and brought them back to the living realm. The Freeza situation was unique, since he had King Yemma's permission and Baba to help aide him. Kanos posted:Yeah, that's what I mean. Goku actually went through the process instead of saying "Hey let's add Freeza to the team" and then teleporting to hell and bringing him back, which implies the process is actually necessary instead of instant transmission making you immune to being dead. We love to mock Goku for being dense, but he actually did something... somewhat intelligent here.  Freeza hasn't turned his back on his teammates (yet), but he probably won't, since all the other universes are quickly losing their numbers. It remains to be seen if he'll try to team up with Frost and backstab his teammates, but my guess is that he'll think Frost is weak and not worthy of being on Team Freeza.
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Jul 31, 2017 04:09
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Kelp Plankton posted:i cant wait until they do a timeskip and reveal that neko majin is canon Neko Majin is objectively more canon than GT.
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Jul 31, 2017 05:26
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Jul 31, 2017 05:34
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Ammat The Ankh posted:Neko Majin is objectively more canon than GT. You gotta wonder why Sorbet never recruited Frieza's son to help the empire.
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Jul 31, 2017 05:38
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Kuriza isn't born until after the tournament of power, when Frieza is resurrected and settles down with his new boyfriend Frost
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Jul 31, 2017 05:45
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Kelp Plankton posted:Kuriza isn't born until after the tournament of power, when Frieza is resurrected and settles down with his new boyfriend Frost I legit thought Frieza was a woman until I saw the Kai dub. It actually kind of lessened the character when I found out he was a man.
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Jul 31, 2017 05:50
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Baba was ultimately the one that brought Freeza over to the living side.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:13
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Rutibex posted:Is there anything stopping Goku from instant transmissioning back to the living world when he is dead? He can go the other way around, and dead people seem to exist fine in the living world with their halos. In Z, the only thing stopping him was Shin. King Kai made a comment in the bojack movie about how that wasn't allowed and could bring repercussions from up the chain. Once we learn that Shin is a chump it really loses its weight. In super it becomes a little more scary, because that is presumably part of what Beerus is supposed to handle.
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Jul 31, 2017 06:49
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yeah it's a lot more intimidating when you consider exactly what the higher rungs of "the chain" are like
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Jul 31, 2017 06:56
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Kelp Plankton posted:Kuriza isn't born until after the tournament of power, when Frieza is resurrected and settles down with his new boyfriend Frost Speaking of Frost, he's been such a huge disappointment. We finally get another (canon) member of Frieza's race and he turns out to be less powerful, less visually interesting (no transformations), and has Frieza's same cartoon villain aspirations but goes about it in a more limpdick way before turning into Hit's bitch. They couldn't even make him Bizarro Good Frieza, an incredibly tired chicle which is somehow still more interesting than what we've got. Someone on another forum described him as Diet Frieza, and that's really the perfect way to describe him. I hope that he and Frieza's supposed plan redeems him somehow, either by changing his personality or by Frieza offing him. Between Hit being Purple Pikkon and Frost being Diet Frieza, I have no idea how people can call Kale U6's weakest character.
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Manatee Cannon posted:anime filler; that scene isn't in the manga at all. this is where he first tries and when goku tells him to his his anger against cell and freeza (the latter of which I did forget about to be fair): i think this is a situation where the anime genuinely does it better. gohan coming to terms with having to be saved as often as he did seemed like a cool step forward compared to "gahh im mad too lol"
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extra row of teeth posted:Speaking of Frost, he's been such a huge disappointment. We finally get another (canon) member of Frieza's race and he turns out to be less powerful, less visually interesting (no transformations), and has Frieza's same cartoon villain aspirations but goes about it in a more limpdick way before turning into Hit's bitch. They couldn't even make him Bizarro Good Frieza, an incredibly tired chicle which is somehow still more interesting than what we've got. Someone on another forum described him as Diet Frieza, and that's really the perfect way to describe him. I hope that he and Frieza's supposed plan redeems him somehow, either by changing his personality or by Frieza offing him. I hope Frost and Frieza fuse to form Absolute Zero.
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Jul 31, 2017 08:34
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Manatee Cannon posted:we see why goten transformed, he was training with his mom and got mad because she was kicking his rear end
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Jul 31, 2017 08:48
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extra row of teeth posted:Between Hit being Purple Pikkon and Frost being Diet Frieza, I have no idea how people can call Kale U6's weakest character.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:22
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HGH posted:This might have been anime filler but wasn't he training with Vegeta in a gravity chamber and I think Vegeta either kept yelling about how weak he was or punched him in the nose, which triggered it? He got it before that scene.
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Please don't post spoilers from the Muppets Arc. tbp posted:i think this is a situation where the anime genuinely does it better. gohan coming to terms with having to be saved as often as he did seemed like a cool step forward compared to "gahh im mad too lol" Though, it was weird that Gohan makes a point he has no idea what Cell looks like only to imagine Perfect Cell killing Piccolo and Chi-Chi.
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Jul 31, 2017 09:36
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Please don't post spoilers from the Muppets Arc. I thought he imagined Freeza instead, because he had no idea what Cell looked like.
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Hobgoblin2099 posted:Please don't post spoilers from the Muppets Arc. Rutibex posted:I thought he imagined Freeza instead, because he had no idea what Cell looked like. Pretty sure the Cell in the time chamber sequence was filler. I'm actually watching the Cell arc of Kai right now because I never saw the Cell Games in the original Toonami run and that scene wasn't in it.
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Spiderdrake posted:I always wonder if that stuff is any good, but half the reviews are people whining about salt or the weird western racism over msg. The rest are "it's good!!!" VEGETA spice is okay. It's like borderline powdered soup lol. I like it on eggs sometimes, it's pretty much salt with herbs.
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deadly_pudding posted:VEGETA spice is okay. It's like borderline powdered soup lol. I like it on eggs sometimes, it's pretty much salt with herbs. Had no idea there was a salty VEGETA spice, that it pre-dated Dragonball, and that its mascot was the origin of our discourse chef. What a time to be alive
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extra row of teeth posted:Between Hit being Purple Pikkon and Frost being Diet Frieza, I have no idea how people can call Kale U6's weakest character. Why are these less acceptable than Kale's obvious references?
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Justin_Brett posted:Why are these less acceptable than Kale's obvious references? Kale doesn't have a reference because Broly isn't canon 
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Jul 31, 2017 18:07
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kale is good and if you disagree then you are bad
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all the SS transformations prior to goten/trunks (who kinda ruin the idea) are actually pretty cool, motivation wise. you see goku pushed to the brink in a fully apocalyptic showdown where the heroes dont ever even come close to the villain, vegeta's makes a ton of sense because over the past year or so his entire sense of self was flipped upside down and he was frustrated at the disconnect with how he saw himself and what reality showed him, gohan (in the anime, i guess) was good because his entire arc is about having to step into the power that he was born with and realizing that he's been a liability fairly often when he could in fact be the savior and future trunks is as classic shonen oh no my mentor as you can get goten/kid trunks kinda ruin the theme that SSJ requires some explosive burst of emotion once a requisite level of power has been reached. it was neat that they gave a pithy, quarter of an episode attempt at giving cabba that motivation but i can see why folks would be unhappy that caulifla didn't really need anything of the sort, too. even though there was a lot of SSJs, up until the buu arc at least it all made sense WHY they got there in my head
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my interpretation was that caulifla was already mentally prepared to become a super saiyan, she just needed to actually try and focus her energy or something
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tbp posted:all the SS transformations prior to goten/trunks (who kinda ruin the idea) are actually pretty cool, motivation wise. you see goku pushed to the brink in a fully apocalyptic showdown where the heroes dont ever even come close to the villain, vegeta's makes a ton of sense because over the past year or so his entire sense of self was flipped upside down and he was frustrated at the disconnect with how he saw himself and what reality showed him, gohan (in the anime, i guess) was good because his entire arc is about having to step into the power that he was born with and realizing that he's been a liability fairly often when he could in fact be the savior and future trunks is as classic shonen oh no my mentor as you can get I still think people are missing the joke. Caulifla is Goku. I know a lot of American fans forget the original, but Goku sees Master Roshi use the Kamehameha Wave ONCE, a move it took Roshi a lifetime to develop and master, and Goku duplicates perfectly to the shock of everyone. Caulfila is the same way: she sees someone do something she wants to do once and she can mimic it, for the most part. Kale is Gohan. When she loses her poo poo, she powers up. And, I guess, she even had the same anime revelation: got control of her power when she cursed herself for always being a liability, not an asset. Alt universes and such.
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She's definitely the most hot headed of virtually any Sayian we've met. Also yeah, no one can complain about how cheap SSJ is now because Kid Trunks and Goten already flew that coop aaaaaaages ago.
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Jul 31, 2017 18:16
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deadly_pudding posted:Kale doesn't have a reference because Broly isn't canon Gohan
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Jul 31, 2017 18:17
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The real question is who's U6 Trunks?
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PMush Perfect posted:The real question is who's U6 Trunks? He's nobody important. Trunks's good twin from U6 never distinguished himself by committing the heinous crime of time travel.
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Jul 31, 2017 18:21
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PMush Perfect posted:The real question is who's U6 Trunks? He was on Earth
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Rutibex posted:I thought he imagined Freeza instead, because he had no idea what Cell looked like. He does. He has a nightmare about Perfect Cell, though. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqS559YTX6s
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PMush Perfect posted:The real question is who's U6 Trunks? Never existed, hence why U6 is better than U7, they didn't have anyone ruining everything through time travel and horrendous unluck.
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PMush Perfect posted:The real question is who's U6 Trunks? magetta actually he doesn't exist yet because cabba has no kids
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deadly_pudding posted:Kale doesn't have a reference because Broly isn't canon neither is pikkon which is good because then hit is also good, which is true
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