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Mustached Demon posted:I met the lady who runs the analysis lab for the city waste plant. She told me about a 10-20lb slug of mercury that came down the pipe. I think they eventually found them too don't remember. Did they find the perp because he was putting up YouTube videos? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GvVaaZ21C44
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There was some fire in a petrochemical refinery last saturday, prob caused by a shortcircuit somewhere. Then they said, they would have to burn any escaping gas in a controlled way to prevent more trouble later. They temporarily shutdown the factory. Now there's a second incident at the same factory, which was still shut down but they were cleaning pipes or something. A cloud of hydrogen fluoride gas has been released and is slowly drifting towards Rotterdam. Firefighters are trying to stop it by covering it with water and workers in the factory are trying to stop the leak. No more news yet but this sounds Not Good.
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Jul 31, 2017 22:58
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Jul 31, 2017 23:38
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I feel like this is a book where the main character just can't catch a break. Like the previous two events were bad, but wait till you see what happens in chapter three!
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The good news: licensing is usually dependent on either having enough water to knock down an acid cloud and/or a shelter in place contingent because HF loves water so goddamn much it makes kind of a bad wide area acid gas so you can get away with really clearing your sinuses out after duct taping garbage bags to the window. It's usually ground zero problems. Usually.
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Europe's largest refinery, so yeah RIP lots of things.
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Carbon dioxide posted:There was some fire in a petrochemical refinery last saturday, prob caused by a shortcircuit somewhere. Then they said, they would have to burn any escaping gas in a controlled way to prevent more trouble later. They temporarily shutdown the factory. Does anyone have a source on this?
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Got the fire but nothing on the gas leak.
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Aug 1, 2017 03:39
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Zopotantor posted:Did they find the perp because he was putting up YouTube videos? No one should have this much mercury in their 'shed' I can feel my kidneys failing just watching this
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Aug 1, 2017 03:48
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Don't worry, one of Cody's other hobbies will probably kill him LONG before the mercury becomes an issue. Mine collapse, one of the antique drills exploding, one of his explosives exploding for that matter...
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Aug 1, 2017 04:09
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Oh good to know, I am no longer worried
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funmanguy posted:No one should have this much mercury in their 'shed' He got tested in a later episode and his body didn’t have elevated levels of mercury after that stunt. But I agree that keeping that much mercury in a shed is insane.
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I don't fully understand the process that makes mercury dangerous. Pure elemental mercury is relatively safe, it's only when it gets alkylated in some way that it becomes dangerous, right? How does that happen?
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Carbon dioxide posted:There was some fire in a petrochemical refinery last saturday, prob caused by a shortcircuit somewhere. Then they said, they would have to burn any escaping gas in a controlled way to prevent more trouble later. They temporarily shutdown the factory. Update: Officials are now talking about "a very small concentration" that never left the refinery grounds. Firefighters kept putting water on the source of the leak while Shell people worked to get it fixed, which was done at 1 am local time or about 2hrs after the leak started. The police decided to drive through some nearby neighbourhoods and tell people to go inside even though no official environmental danger alert was given yet. Some local organisation that is in charge of measuring levels of any environmentally dangerous substances emitted by the industries published the statement that it was drifting towards Rotterdam. Officials are saying this was never the case, the amount was so little it never got off the Shell refinery grounds, and they will investigate why this statement was published, because it was just scaring people for no reason. They did measurements in a radius around the refinery and no HF was measured anywhere. Of course there were about 29 people nearby complaining about a strange smell but I'm guessing they were smelling their own butt, and being scared by the news, they decided to report that. source Carbon dioxide has a new favorite as of 06:45 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Mercury accumulation will mess you up regardless of how it accumulated. Liquid mercury is "safe" in that if you were to drink it, it would basically go straight through you without much of it being absorbed - heck, even if you were to inject it for some reason, it causes more problems by physically blocking up your blood vessels than by toxic effects. Mercury vapour is much nastier though, if you breathe it in it ends up sticking around.
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Keiya posted:Don't worry, one of Cody's other hobbies will probably kill him LONG before the mercury becomes an issue. Mine collapse, one of the antique drills exploding, one of his explosives exploding for that matter... Or, you know... drinking cyanide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bWNpO5vvhpk Edit: for good measure: or biting into sodium metal, because why the gently caress not https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kj6vn8LlA04 Aramis has a new favorite as of 06:49 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Moist von Lipwig posted:I don't fully understand the process that makes mercury dangerous. Pure elemental mercury is relatively safe, it's only when it gets alkylated in some way that it becomes dangerous, right? How does that happen? Mercury really really likes organosulfur compounds so it gunks up a number of biological processes that involve them. Your nervous system has a bunch if you didn't guess that. Methyl mercury is even worse because the methyl groups let the mercury easily cross various membranes/barriers it'd have a harder time crossing. Lots of things go from benign to murder machine when methylated.
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Oh I understand why it's bad when it's methylated, I didn't understand how it gets methylated but it turns out bacteria like doing that, little bastards.
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Mustached Demon posted:Methyl mercury is even worse because the methyl groups let the mercury easily cross various membranes/barriers it'd have a harder time crossing. Lots of things go from benign to murder machine when methylated. Trimethylaluminum can't cross membranes, though. 
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Moist von Lipwig posted:Oh I understand why it's bad when it's methylated, I didn't understand how it gets methylated but it turns out bacteria like doing that, little bastards. Ohh gotchya. Humans make a bunch of it too. We suck.
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Zemyla posted:Trimethylaluminum can't cross membranes, though. Still a methylated murder machine.
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The Karen Wetterhahn case will haunt me until the end of my days. Possibly one of the worst deaths imaginable. Is there even any kind of chelation therapy for dimethylmercury?
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Mustached Demon posted:Ohh gotchya. Humans make a bunch of it too. We suck. quote:The chemical reaction used to produce the acetaldehyde used mercury sulfate as a catalyst. Starting August 1951, the co-catalyst was changed from manganese dioxide to ferric sulfide.[10] A side reaction of this catalytic cycle led to the production of a small amount of an organic mercury compound, namely methylmercury.[11] This highly toxic compound was released into Minamata Bay from the change of the co-catalyst in 1951 until 1968, when this production method was discontinued.[12] quote:On October 21, 1959, Chisso was ordered by the Ministry of International Trade and Industry to switch back its wastewater drainage from the Minamata River to Hyakken Harbour and to speed up the installation of wastewater treatment systems at the factory. Chisso installed a Cyclator purification system on December 19, 1959, and opened it with a special ceremony. Chisso's president Kiichi Yoshioka drank a glass of water supposedly treated through the Cyclator to demonstrate that it was safe. In fact, the wastewater from the acetaldehyde plant, which the company knew still contained mercury and led to Minamata disease when fed to cats, was not treated through the Cyclator at the time. Testimony at a later Niigata Minamata disease trial proved that Chisso knew the Cyclator to be completely ineffective: "The purification tank was installed as a social solution and did nothing to remove organic mercury."[23] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease quote:Chisso president later chairman Yutaka Egashira (Later maternal grandfather of Masako, Crown Princess of Japan) used yakuza in order to threaten and silence patients and their supporters.[8] Patients and their supporters started the "single shareholder" movement by buying one share of Chisso each, which was aimed at accusing the executives of Chisso in its general meeting. A thousand of the single shareholders participating in the movement gathered in front of a hall in Osaka to attend the general meeting called on November 28, 1970, but the company prevented them from entering the hall by asking yakuza to become shareholders and occupy the hall. The meeting ended in five minutes with all the bills submitted by the board approved.[8] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chisso
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Moist von Lipwig posted:The Karen Wetterhahn case will haunt me until the end of my days. Possibly one of the worst deaths imaginable. Is there even any kind of chelation therapy for dimethylmercury? She did undergo chelation therapy but that much mercury was too much. Suppose a lower dose could be treatable. Note: it was only a couple drops, at most, from a pipette
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Platystemon posted:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minamata_disease Holy poo poo I didn't know about all the Yakuza stuff involved in that case. I'd be rolling out the guillotine for that monster.
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Mustached Demon posted:She did undergo chelation therapy but that much mercury was too much. Suppose a lower dose could be treatable. Yeah the dosage involved being so microscopic is part of what makes it so terrifying.
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Mustached Demon posted:Still a methylated murder machine. The Something Awful Forums > Main > Post Your Favorite (or Request): Coldly Compiled Lists > Things that go FOOF in the night: Still a methylated murder machine
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Mustached Demon posted:Still a methylated murder machine. Couldn't find any info on its toxicity, but it does seem to be the sort of thing that catches fire if you blink in its general direction?
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Couldn't find any info on its toxicity, but it does seem to be the sort of thing that catches fire if you blink in its general direction? Yep. It's one of the things Derek Lowe would rather not work with for just that reason.
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Dirt Road Junglist posted:Couldn't find any info on its toxicity, but it does seem to be the sort of thing that catches fire if you blink in its general direction?
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"Pollution was so heavy at the mouth of the wastewater canal, a figure of 2 kg of mercury per ton of sediment was measured: a level that would be economically viable to mine. Indeed, Chisso did later set up a subsidiary to reclaim and sell the mercury recovered from the sludge.[17]"
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So does anyone know where I could acquire a mercury toilet because I need that in my [soon to be short] life
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that ivy guy posted:"Pollution was so heavy at the mouth of the wastewater canal, a figure of 2 kg of mercury per ton of sediment was measured: a level that would be economically viable to mine. Indeed, Chisso did later set up a subsidiary to reclaim and sell the mercury recovered from the sludge.[17]"  at its finest
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that ivy guy posted:"Pollution was so heavy at the mouth of the wastewater canal, a figure of 2 kg of mercury per ton of sediment was measured: a level that would be economically viable to mine. Indeed, Chisso did later set up a subsidiary to reclaim and sell the mercury recovered from the sludge.[17]" [SCREAMS INFINITELY]
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that ivy guy posted:"Pollution was so heavy at the mouth of the wastewater canal, a figure of 2 kg of mercury per ton of sediment was measured: a level that would be economically viable to mine. Indeed, Chisso did later set up a subsidiary to reclaim and sell the mercury recovered from the sludge.[17]"
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Imagine being that cartoonishly evil. That guy has the villains on Captain Planet taking a step back going "drat dude."
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Code Jockey posted:So does anyone know where I could acquire a mercury toilet because I need that in my [soon to be short] life
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Methylmurdery
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Code Jockey posted:So does anyone know where I could acquire a mercury toilet because I need that in my [soon to be short] life that dude should fill the toilet with mercury instead of water and piss in it for the next video
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