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Elman posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vYq8dGLvshQ Torrhen Stark could only offer his loyalty in perpetuity. Common law (yeah I know its not really England but come on) forbids perpetuity beyond the lives of those who offer them. If you look at The North as property, then the perpetuity ended with the death of Torrhen Stark and his heir would be required to swear fealty when he inherited the wardenship of the north. I think. IANAL.
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counterfeitsaint posted:You're trying awfully hard to hate the show when you won't even consider that a huge ultra rich bank wouldn't engage in some shady trade just because it's "illegal" locally. Being anti slavery was kind of like, a core founding principle of braavosi society, not just some law to be ignored. They definitely don't give a poo poo lol.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:21
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Bankers going against high-minded principles to make some money? This show has jumped the loving shark.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:31
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Its wonderful that the best idea KellyC had ever since she arrived at Westeros ("Ill take my dragons and wreck the enemy navy") was immediately dismissed by her advisors. She surrounded herself with some dumb fuckers, Tyrion included
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Aug 1, 2017 17:40
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Yeah they usually make a big deal of it any time a character breaks a deeply-held principle, like jaime tearing up the letter. Other characters go out of their way to avoid it, like arya not throwing away needle. This one is just sorta random and flippant. I mean, maybe he's just telling Cersei what she wants to hear so he can stick around and be better able to pick a winner, that'd be reasonable, but it'd be weird to just toss that one without any attention called to it. It's not that out of character for a bank but like, the iron bank is special and representative of braavos as a whole. It'd be like fictionalizing a movie about john brown's rebellion where his treasurer enslaves native americans to fund the war.
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Aug 1, 2017 17:43
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So ellariah's actress confirmed that the bondge dungeon poison scene is the last we'll see of her or bad pussy. Baller
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Aug 1, 2017 18:01
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So they're gonna hire new actresses when they become wights and sit besides the Night King as his Snow Queens?
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Aug 1, 2017 18:24
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Elias_Maluco posted:Did they changed the unsulied uniform? It really had a very bad cheap sci-fi look last episode I haven't gone back and watched Season 1, but it certainly feels like the costumes are getting more…fashion oriented(?) as opposed to being period specific, but with a dash of flare. I could be completely full of poo poo but I can't be bothered to go back and look. But speaking of going back and looking at things, I just checked the spoiler post from a few pages back and boy howdy should there be a lot more bold now.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:27
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jaime went BUHWAH bc he finally got the proof that tyrion was 100% innocent and his dad and sister did everything they could to get him the death sentence
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Aug 1, 2017 18:29
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Dany spends 4 hours doing her hair each morning of the conquest.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:34
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Dany spends 4 hours making GBS threads while someone else does her hair each morning of the conquest. ftfy
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Aug 1, 2017 18:41
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Dangerllama posted:I haven't gone back and watched Season 1, but it certainly feels like the costumes are getting more…fashion oriented(?) as opposed to being period specific, but with a dash of flare. I could be completely full of poo poo but I can't be bothered to go back and look. I noticed this too. All the chicks have these like battle gowns now and it does look pretty cool but it's not real medieval. Euron looks like the new touring drummer for Journey or something.
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Aug 1, 2017 18:44
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They always took liberties, in season 1 Jaime had a snazzy leather trenchcoat he might as well have stolen from Captain Reynolds. And season 2 Qarth was probably the closest we got to a Stargate-esque look. Wacky collars everywhere. But there's definitely been a modernisation, mostly for men's fashion. Fewer ugly doublets (look at what the Stark boys were wearing in the premiere) and extravagances like Joffrey's threads. Still a few around though, like Bran in the flashbacks. The one constant is Jorah who is physically allergic to clean shirts. NihilCredo fucked around with this message at 20:46 on Aug 1, 2017 |
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Arcsquad12 posted:So ellariah's actress confirmed that the bondge dungeon poison scene is the last we'll see of her or bad pussy. Just like edmure, once you enter the dungeons you never return. Even if friendly forces take the castle you're held in.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:44
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Popping in to say gently caress everyone but Davos
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*westeros covered in ice and darkness forever* MEANWHILE Sam: Should we help that Jalabhar guy get back his throne? I hear it's warm there. Tyrion: Sure thing, kid. Pour me a stiff one, we're going in for round 3.
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Aug 1, 2017 20:56
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i81icu812 posted:Just like edmure, once you enter the dungeons you never return. Even if friendly forces take the castle you're held in. hot-take, edmure is the only good lord in westeros and only becomes a laughingstock in the books because all of the PoV characters are bad
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Aug 1, 2017 20:59
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bloom posted:Bankers going against high-minded principles to make some money? This show has jumped the loving shark. Can you imagine the outrage if it came out that multiple international corporations cheerfully profited and supplied the nazi war machine?
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Dangerllama posted:I haven't gone back and watched Season 1, but it certainly feels like the costumes are getting more…fashion oriented(?) as opposed to being period specific, but with a dash of flare. I could be completely full of poo poo but I can't be bothered to go back and look. The possible exception being the Kingsguard armor, which was more decorative and pretty in season 1 imo, with some kind of inlaid ivory or something. Then later it became a breastplate with a logo stamped on it. Less pretty but probably much more practical. Of course now we have the imperial death troopers lol.  Subvisual Haze posted:Can you imagine the outrage if it came out that multiple international corporations cheerfully profited and supplied the nazi war machine? Switzerland doesn't know what you mean.
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Subvisual Haze posted:Can you imagine the outrage if it came out that multiple international corporations cheerfully profited and supplied the nazi war machine?  America didn't have "stop genocide" as its founding principle - quite the opposite. Braavos is described as literally seizing slave ships in its own waters to this day. Obviously this isn't super important either way, the future of the iron bank doesn't matter much, I just wish we lived in a universe where we got books instead of this.
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I think they'd still do it, but the Braavosi would riot and burn their offices if they learned. Their involvement in the slave trade should be a closely guarded secret even in Westeros.
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Aug 1, 2017 21:31
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I don't judge the show by its fashion. I judge it by how silly the helmets get with each new season. The Mountain looks like he has a mario enemy on his head.
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Aug 1, 2017 21:32
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Though the Iron Bank are unprincipled capitalists that deal with slave states in the books too.
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Why wouldn't Dany just lay siege to King's Landing without her dragons? Have the Unsullied surround the city and then use the dragons to wipe out the Lannister army while it is out in the field, then have Dothraki run down the survivors. The only other issue then is Euron, but his men are sailors not an army.
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Arcsquad12 posted:Why wouldn't Dany just lay siege to King's Landing without her dragons? Have the Unsullied surround the city and then use the dragons to wipe out the Lannister army while it is out in the field, then have Dothraki run down the survivors. The only other issue then is Euron, but his men are sailors not an army. C'mon, that's like the ONE idea the show actually bothered to address. Namely, that if she introduces herself by using eunuch robots to starve the capital while letting Dothraki rape and pillage the Crownlands, she'll be so hated that ruling King's Landing will make Meeeeerreeeeen look like a walk in the park. Hence why the exotic brigade teleported to the Westerlands, while the Tyrells
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NihilCredo posted:C'mon, that's like the ONE idea the show actually bothered to address. Namely, that if she introduces herself by using eunuch robots to starve the capital while letting Dothraki rape and pillage the Crownlands, she'll be so hated that ruling King's Landing will make Meeeeerreeeeen look like a walk in the park. The city let Cersei firebomb the great sept and didn't bat an eye.
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No, that was a tragic accident.
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Arcsquad12 posted:The city let Cersei firebomb the great sept and didn't bat an eye. Don't be silly, that was Tyrian!
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hobbesmaster posted:Don't be silly, that was Tyrian! The video game?
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NihilCredo posted:C'mon, that's like the ONE idea the show actually bothered to address. Namely, that if she introduces herself by using eunuch robots to starve the capital while letting Dothraki rape and pillage the Crownlands, she'll be so hated that ruling King's Landing will make Meeeeerreeeeen look like a walk in the park. Dany: I can't possibly kill anyone while becoming Queen then everyone would hate me and that would be bad. Jaime: So what that my sister's destroying the seven kingdoms no one will care when there's finally peace  edit: I guess this is actually consistent, but it still seems dumb to me.
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Lycus posted:No, that was a tragic accident. https://m.imgur.com/gallery/oOc8t Leaks for everyone! Oops.
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Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:Yeah they usually make a big deal of it any time a character breaks a deeply-held principle, like jaime tearing up the letter. Other characters go out of their way to avoid it, like arya not throwing away needle. This one is just sorta random and flippant. I mean, maybe he's just telling Cersei what she wants to hear so he can stick around and be better able to pick a winner, that'd be reasonable, but it'd be weird to just toss that one without any attention called to it. the bravvos origins story might not be part of the plot, I don't remember. I agree that its a bit odd that so much of their capital would be tied up in the slave trade, and that they would prefer to back a slaver over someone else. Not that bankers _arent_ complete pieces of poo poo, but it just seemed odd.
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i81icu812 posted:https://m.imgur.com/gallery/oOc8t Huh, it's almost like having dragons is a huge force multiplier.
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braavos supporting the slave trade would be akin to haiti supporting the slave trade, which gently caress i dunno did that ever happen
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hobbesmaster posted:Or maybe there were 2 months between the last episodes! And the timelines still wouldn't make any goddamn sense. counterfeitsaint posted:His first words with Jon are gonna be like "drat bro you looked so badass when you were eating out that wildling pussy in that cave! Natural redheads amirte?" *Stares at Sansa goonily.*
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Lycus posted:Though the Iron Bank are unprincipled capitalists that deal with slave states in the books too. No they aren't I mean yeah they trade some poo poo but they come down hard on on slaving or anything to do with Targ's which is where the actual split in the books come from.
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Aug 2, 2017 00:17
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They loaned to the Targ regime throughout their reign too.
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violent sex idiot posted:braavos supporting the slave trade would be akin to haiti supporting the slave trade, which gently caress i dunno did that ever happen its like Israel turning into an apartheid state, huh guess I can't fault D&D on this one
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Kavak posted:The video game? I have no idea what autocorrect did there.
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I wonder what happens when an Iron Bank client defaults on a loan? It seems like everyone in the show is just borrowing freely from them with a few choice words. The bank's gotta have their own doomsday weapon or something, tucked away to punish late payments, or else the show is just making Mycroft look like an idiot for constantly backing the wrong horse.
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