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Dillbag
Mar 4, 2007

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Nap Ghost

Please tell me that's insulation and not smoke.

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Pivotal Lever
Sep 9, 2003



Will this thing last through a single winter in the upper midwest?

The A pieces appear to be treated 2x6s

TooMuchAbstraction
Oct 14, 2012

I spent four years making
Waves of Steel
Hell yes I'm going to turn my avatar into an ad for it.
Fun Shoe
It looks like the only reinforcement that thing has against racking in the direction into the camera is four diagonal 2x4 braces. And those 2x6s are connected to the deck by a single bolt apiece.

EvilPsych
Jul 19, 2004
Ask me about my 'LiveJournal' :rollseyes:

therobit posted:

Since I am planning on doing our kitchen in a few years, are there any dishwashers that can fit large stockpots and the like? Our currwnt rollaway cant even handle larger dinnet plates due to clearance for the spinning nozels.

Just take out the top rack. It's not hard with a standard dishwasher

SoundMonkey
Apr 22, 2006

I just push buttons.



what, y'all never seen knob & tape?

Liquid Communism
Mar 9, 2004

коммунизм хранится в яичках

peanut posted:

The Big Secret : Kids sharing bedrooms (only works if the parents share a bedroom to set an example.)
The Quiverfuls just have two massive barracks full of bunk beds, one for "Girls" and one for "Boys".

Edit: http://kikinakita.blogspot.jp/2010/01/duggars-family-home.html?m=1
It's not as spooky as I expected. These photos are about 5 kids ago... they don't show the Commercial Kitchen or the bath, though.

Yeah, the Quiverfull houses I've seen are designed more like a Cub Scout camp than a residence. Eating hall that doubles as a gathering space once the food is cleared away, commercial kitchen, bathroom stalls, shower stalls, couple rooms full of bunk beds.

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
Our house had knob and tube with a lot of romex flying spliced into it in places.

There was a section just below a leaky shower. If you took a long shower, the leaking water would start to create a circuit and you'd get zapped in there. It was like a torture chamber.

SoundMonkey
Apr 22, 2006

I just push buttons.


0toShifty posted:

Our house had knob and tube with a lot of romex flying spliced into it in places.

There was a section just below a leaky shower. If you took a long shower, the leaking water would start to create a circuit and you'd get zapped in there. It was like a torture chamber.

the home inspector i worked with has inspected a SHITLOAD of the old houses in this part of town, built 1912-1933 (and also lives in one) and apparently mine was one of the better ones for knob & tube replacement - as in "several k&t components found discarded in attic, not connected."

said he inspected one house where the 'upgraded' electrical was in some unholy fashion done in tandem with the knob & tube. as in both were live, but any switched outlet was modern, anything always-on was knob & tube. one wasn't being fed by the other, they were being fed separately from the panel. he tried to explain how that wiring worked and i think i may have had a minor seizure.

The Dave
Sep 9, 2003

Somehow my 250 year old house had all the knob and tube replaced, however the majority of our house seems to be cloth wiring without a ground (which didn't stop the PO from installing three pronged outlets).

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



SoundMonkey posted:

the home inspector i worked with has inspected a SHITLOAD of the old houses in this part of town, built 1912-1933 (and also lives in one) and apparently mine was one of the better ones for knob & tube replacement - as in "several k&t components found discarded in attic, not connected."

said he inspected one house where the 'upgraded' electrical was in some unholy fashion done in tandem with the knob & tube. as in both were live, but any switched outlet was modern, anything always-on was knob & tube. one wasn't being fed by the other, they were being fed separately from the panel. he tried to explain how that wiring worked and i think i may have had a minor seizure.

This was done in my house (built around 1930) around 1974 (date on the code inspector's stamp). Romex out of the box, tied to K&T here, NM there, flying splices in the attic wrapped in giant balls of friction tape with no wire nuts. We bought the place in '92. The house should have burned down at least five times on those splices alone.

One day in 1999, I cut a line to re-wire a hallway receptacle & lost random crap all over the house. I cobbled something together to get it going (not even sure how, just made sure it was 110V everywhere) , then re-wired everything within the year.

PainterofCrap fucked around with this message at 12:40 on Aug 3, 2017

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
This isn't crappy construction so much as it's crappy human factor engineering. Bathroom door at work.



This dates to the 1950s. Recently they renovated the bathroom (which sucks because I liked the old sign riveted to the one stall explaining that things like defacing the bathrooms or membership in the communist party would be grounds for instant dismissal), but they refused to move that pushplate.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

Phanatic posted:

This isn't crappy construction so much as it's crappy human factor engineering. Bathroom door at work.



This dates to the 1950s. Recently they renovated the bathroom (which sucks because I liked the old sign riveted to the one stall explaining that things like defacing the bathrooms or membership in the communist party would be grounds for instant dismissal), but they refused to move that pushplate.

I like how at one point you could padlock the thing

glynnenstein
Feb 18, 2014


Phanatic posted:

This isn't crappy construction so much as it's crappy human factor engineering. Bathroom door at work.



This dates to the 1950s. Recently they renovated the bathroom (which sucks because I liked the old sign riveted to the one stall explaining that things like defacing the bathrooms or membership in the communist party would be grounds for instant dismissal), but they refused to move that pushplate.

I have a lot of super expensive hand-matched eucalyptus veneer doors in the building I run that have these terribly designed handles:



These 4 inch high minimalist things are completely insufficient for the heavy 8 foot tall doors they are attached to so people grab the door with their hands.Now the seal coat on the veneer is rubbed off and I'll have to bring in a door specialist for real money to make them look okay and keep them protected from wear. God forbid the veneer itself gets damaged. I pay a guy $300 a square inch to hand-paint the wood grain where it gets marred. He's really good at it, though.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

crazypeltast52 posted:

Our alt-weekly published this, which I think summarizes the people who complain about things changing in their neighborhoods:
http://www.citypages.com/news/uptown-is-dead-while-i-am-as-interesting-as-ever/421531984
jesus gently caress this is the smuggest pile of poo poo I've seen in the twin cities and I live in uptown. Yeah sure I have no room to complain, just because everything I liked to go to is getting priced out and all my friends have to move farther away because your options are quickly becoming "$1500/mo studio" or "I only get hot water 3 days a week". It's not "uptown is dead because things are different", it's "uptown is dying because landlords are charging obscene prices and no one can or will pay it when they can just go to NE and spend half as much for the same or better."

But no, it's totally just hipsters complaining to sound cool. Definitely not an actual problem that anyone living here can watch happen.

Dirt Road Junglist
Oct 8, 2010

We will be cruel
And through our cruelty
They will know who we are
Work chat this morning:

Me: Technical difficulties this morning. Hit off instead of snooze on my alarm, then discovered that the heat took out my UPS battery, so I had no internet until I got a spare power strip hooked up
D: i'll likely have my own here in a few. roofing dudes are installing a vent fan today, and will probably cut my power while they rewire crap. so i may be offline for a bit later
Me: I like how you plan for contractor failures
D: well, they've proven at the start of this project that i need to prepare for that eventuality O_o
D: well, my roof dude just cut the main because he didn't have the forethought to bring a drat voltmeter so he would only have to break a single circuit
E: maybe there is a reason he is a roofer
D: if I'm not back online within the hour, it may be because I'm chilling with the Fire Dept. well, he's insured. I could probably stand to downsize my abode........

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.
Massive fire at another Dubai skyscraper. This one fittingly known as "The Torch."

Note: This is the *second* time a major fire has broken out here. This time while it was still undergoing renovations from the last time.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/dubai-torch-tower-1105-feet-dubai-marina-united-arab-emirates-a7876021.html

kid sinister
Nov 16, 2002
Insurance?

SoundMonkey
Apr 22, 2006

I just push buttons.


Dirt Road Junglist posted:

E: maybe there is a reason he is a roofer
D: if I'm not back online within the hour, it may be because I'm chilling with the Fire Dept. well, he's insured. I could probably stand to downsize my abode........

i don't know how trades insurance works but wouldn't it probably not cover doing a bunch of poo poo you aren't qualified to and burning the place down

Dylan16807
May 12, 2010

Yawgmoth posted:

jesus gently caress this is the smuggest pile of poo poo I've seen in the twin cities and I live in uptown. Yeah sure I have no room to complain, just because everything I liked to go to is getting priced out and all my friends have to move farther away because your options are quickly becoming "$1500/mo studio" or "I only get hot water 3 days a week". It's not "uptown is dead because things are different", it's "uptown is dying because landlords are charging obscene prices and no one can or will pay it when they can just go to NE and spend half as much for the same or better."

But no, it's totally just hipsters complaining to sound cool. Definitely not an actual problem that anyone living here can watch happen.

I was going to say that gentrification is a very different problem from dying, but then I read your comment again. You're saying that all these expensive apartments are going empty? Usually landlords like actually getting money, so is there some weird bubble screwing up the economics?

FISHMANPET
Mar 3, 2007

Sweet 'N Sour
Can't
Melt
Steel Beams
They're not empty. People just like to think they're empty because it makes them feel better about our actual critical housing shortage (also a Minneapolis goon here).

~Coxy
Dec 9, 2003

R.I.P. Inter-OS Sass - b.2000AD d.2003AD

Phanatic posted:

This isn't crappy construction so much as it's crappy human factor engineering. Bathroom door at work.



This dates to the 1950s. Recently they renovated the bathroom (which sucks because I liked the old sign riveted to the one stall explaining that things like defacing the bathrooms or membership in the communist party would be grounds for instant dismissal), but they refused to move that pushplate.

Reminds me of pretty much every single nice new public landscaping ever, where the people designing the nice square footpaths have no idea where the foot traffic would actually go from and to; so practical beeline paths get beaten into the grass/flowerbeds.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


~Coxy posted:

so practical beeline paths get beaten into the grass/flowerbeds.

That's exactly what happened with the path on the right where I used to live here:


That path was a route for hundreds of people to get to the train station each day so obviously nobody bothered walking all the way to the end and then doing a 90º turn right, we all cut across the grass under the trees. After the "keep off the grass" signs didn't work they were at least smart enough to put a real path in where the destroyed grass trail was.

xsf421
Feb 17, 2011

https://m.metrotimes.com/table-and-bar/archives/2017/08/02/construction-workers-damage-corktowns-ufo-factory

This developer tried to buy out the club so they could expand their new condos. I guess this is their way of getting the land.

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Dylan16807 posted:

I was going to say that gentrification is a very different problem from dying, but then I read your comment again. You're saying that all these expensive apartments are going empty? Usually landlords like actually getting money, so is there some weird bubble screwing up the economics?

The idea is that in a crazy hot real estate market you can make bank off a property without actually doing anything with it. Either sell it in a few years for profit, or use your rapidly growing equity to borrow money and buy even more real estate. As long as the market doesn't crash you're a paper millionaire with a magic money printing machine.

Of course you can do that and also rent out the property for even more money, which is probably what most people do. But maybe some people don't, because if you are planning to flip it in a couple years the property has slightly higher value if no one has ever lived in it. Renters are also a hassle to deal with. There will be wear and tear on the appliances, the floors, etc. A bad tenant can trash the place through malice or idiocy: whoops, fell asleep while waiting for the tub to fill and accidentally flooded my 10th floor unit and all the ones below it! So some folks might decide to just sit on an empty investment property instead of dealing with tenants.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Empty luxury dwellings bought for investment purposes are very much an issue in London, not sure if it's the same wherever Uptown is.

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/qkq4bx/every-flat-in-a-new-south-london-development-has-been-sold-to-foreign-investors
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/05/shard-apartments-empty-flats-london-market

Wasabi the J
Jan 23, 2008

MOM WAS RIGHT

Also Air BNB, who I no longer use, have enabled a new class of hotelier that buys housing and rents it out as hotels, circumventing the laws and regulations the hotel industry is forced to abide. This opens the door for abuse and out pricing communities from their workers.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



For-sale housing could have this issue, but purpose built rentals like most of Minneapolis in the past 10 years don't have that problem because who is going to speculatively lease a unit to sublease it out at a higher rent if the landlord enforces no-Airbnb clauses.

Yawgmoth
Sep 10, 2003

This post is cursed!

Dylan16807 posted:

I was going to say that gentrification is a very different problem from dying, but then I read your comment again. You're saying that all these expensive apartments are going empty? Usually landlords like actually getting money, so is there some weird bubble screwing up the economics?
I can't say 100% on the luxury apartments (although everyone I've spoken to seems to agree that they're a waste of space and the aggressive advertising they do to try to get people to even look at them seems to point to a lack of renters for them) but I know that the restaurants that made Uptown amazing to live in are closing down/moving out. Sometimes the lots sit unused and untouched for months/years, sometimes a new place moves in, stays for 3 months, then closes up to sit dead for a few months before the cycle starts again.

If they actually are getting people in the stupid luxury closets then good for them I guess, but it still doesn't change the fact that my favorite places are going under while nothing else is coming in to replace them.

0toShifty
Aug 21, 2005
0 to Stiffy?
I forgot to mention the other interesting part of our knob-and-tube wiring.

When the house was originally built - it had gas lighting. There are pipes EVERYWHERE, must have been a really fancy place when it was new.

So only one wire goes up to the lights! The neutral is the GAS PIPE. Yep.

There are even adapter-like things attaching the electric retrofit fixtures onto the gas pipes. Apparently this arrangement was totally acceptable with the practice of the time!

couldcareless
Feb 8, 2009

Spheal used Swagger!

Wasabi the J posted:

Also Air BNB, who I no longer use, have enabled a new class of hotelier that buys housing and rents it out as hotels, circumventing the laws and regulations the hotel industry is forced to abide. This opens the door for abuse and out pricing communities from their workers.

I am watching airbnb destroy the rental market in my city right now. Government regulation isn't coming down fast or strong enough.
In a city that lives and dies on its service industry, it's pretty disastrous.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Y'all have let-to-let yet? Like buy-to-let but instead of buying there's people renting full properties and carving them up even smaller for further rental, with full permission of the owner.

Not even airbnb, full on rental agreements.

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2013/jun/29/rent-to-rent-property

Phanatic
Mar 13, 2007

Please don't forget that I am an extremely racist idiot who also has terrible opinions about the Culture series.

Jaded Burnout posted:

Y'all have let-to-let yet? Like buy-to-let but instead of buying there's people renting full properties and carving them up even smaller for further rental, with full permission of the owner.

Subletting? Yeah, that's been a thing forever.

TerminalSaint
Apr 21, 2007


Where must we go...

we who wander this Wasteland in search of our better selves?

~Coxy posted:

Reminds me of pretty much every single nice new public landscaping ever, where the people designing the nice square footpaths have no idea where the foot traffic would actually go from and to; so practical beeline paths get beaten into the grass/flowerbeds.

There's even a name for it, desire paths. Some planners have taken to waiting to see where foot traffic goes before installing paved paths.

http://99percentinvisible.org/article/least-resistance-desire-paths-can-lead-better-design/

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Phanatic posted:

Subletting? Yeah, that's been a thing forever.

No, the article says it's a bit more than that. Take a 3 bedroom house, turn the living room and diningroom room into bedrooms. Rent each of the 5 bedrooms to a different tenant. Like having roommates, except they aren't your roommates because you don't live in the house.

Just 5 random strangers sharing a bathroom and kitchen with no one in charge sounds like a nightmare to me. No common area to chill out together and get to know one another, because everything but the bathroom and kitchen has been turned into bedrooms, so no sense of community or responsibility will naturally develop. Guy never washes his dishes and just leaves them lying around the kitchen. Bathroom garbage is overflowing with used feminine hygiene products. Nobody ever cleans the hair out of the shower drain until the shower literally overflows, because nobody wants to touch strangers' goopy drain hair.

Jaded Burnout
Jul 10, 2004


Facebook Aunt posted:

Just 5 random strangers sharing a bathroom and kitchen with no one in charge sounds like a nightmare to me. No common area to chill out together and get to know one another, because everything but the bathroom and kitchen has been turned into bedrooms, so no sense of community or responsibility will naturally develop. Guy never washes his dishes and just leaves them lying around the kitchen. Bathroom garbage is overflowing with used feminine hygiene products. Nobody ever cleans the hair out of the shower drain until the shower literally overflows, because nobody wants to touch strangers' goopy drain hair.

This is very common too but it's usually just one layer of absentee landlord and a constantly rotating set of vaguely self-organising tenants. Having a renter come in and restructure things and re-rent is as you say the relatively new part, usually subletting is banned by default in rental contracts.

crazypeltast52
May 5, 2010



Single Room Occupancy or SROs aren't really legal to add in most areas.

Thumposaurus
Jul 24, 2007

It happens in DC all the time. They call it house sharing. There's a lot of young professionals/interns etc... That all want fancy places to live that are cheap without being in the hood.

Leperflesh
May 17, 2007

Facebook Aunt posted:

No, the article says it's a bit more than that. Take a 3 bedroom house, turn the living room and diningroom room into bedrooms. Rent each of the 5 bedrooms to a different tenant. Like having roommates, except they aren't your roommates because you don't live in the house.

Just 5 random strangers sharing a bathroom and kitchen with no one in charge sounds like a nightmare to me. No common area to chill out together and get to know one another, because everything but the bathroom and kitchen has been turned into bedrooms, so no sense of community or responsibility will naturally develop. Guy never washes his dishes and just leaves them lying around the kitchen. Bathroom garbage is overflowing with used feminine hygiene products. Nobody ever cleans the hair out of the shower drain until the shower literally overflows, because nobody wants to touch strangers' goopy drain hair.

I lived in exactly this situation for over two years, in the mid 1990s. My landlady actually lived in the apartment downstairs, but she directly rented out the four bedrooms, one of which was once a bedroom. The guy who lived in the LR-BR had tourettes and a severe drinking problem, so we all got to listen to him continuously screaming obsceneties for various long evenings. The room next to mine never seemed to stay occupied for more than a few months: I think in two years I had probably seven or eight different people that weren't me or the tourette's guy.

The kitchen and bathroom were horrifying nightmares. I had my own set of silverware and dishes and I had to keep them in my bedroom, because if I left them out anywhere, someone would use them and then not wash them. One time I found some recent immigrant guy microwaving a foil-covered plate in my microwave, sparks flying and everything. The refrigerator always contained food that belonged to someone who had moved out two months ago, so it was horrifying. My girlfriend and I occasionally cleaned it out but the problem was, you couldn't really know if you were throwing out abandoned food or not if it was 'Marginal' so you just had to hope for the best. I was also the only one who ever cleaned the bathroom, at one point showers meant standing ankle deep in filthy water, it was so gross. I owned a cheap hoover so I also occasionally vaccumed the carpeted hallway - if I didn't do it, it didn't happen.

When I finally moved out my landlady was really sad about it. I think she knew I was the "good tenant" who actually cleaned things sometimes, and I always paid my rent on time, etc. But it's like, lady, the reason this place sucks and all your tenants suck and leave is because it's a gross shitpile that nobody is responsible for!

But hell it was $350 a month, and even way back in 1996-7 that was a killer deal and I was poor as poo poo so...

Facebook Aunt
Oct 4, 2008

wiggle wiggle




Thumposaurus posted:

It happens in DC all the time. They call it house sharing. There's a lot of young professionals/interns etc... That all want fancy places to live that are cheap without being in the hood.



Carving up all the communal space into more bedrooms seems less common though. The people I've known who've been house sharing still had a shared livingroom and whatnot so people could hangout and watch TV together.

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canyoneer
Sep 13, 2005


I only have canyoneyes for you

Wasabi the J posted:

Also Air BNB, who I no longer use, have enabled a new class of hotelier that buys housing and rents it out as hotels, circumventing the laws and regulations the hotel industry is forced to abide. This opens the door for abuse and out pricing communities from their workers.

Yeah, it's pretty messed up. For every story where you hear about some dirtbag AirBNB "host" getting busted for doing illegal things, there are probably literally hundreds where they totally get away with it. Especially when they are discriminated based on race.

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/jul/13/airbnb-california-racist-comment-penalty-asian-american
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4681974/Male-Airbnb-landlord-hospitalises-guest-push-stairs.html
http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-35077448

It's like Uber.
The claim: "carpool with strangers who are already making a trip"
The reality: "take a ride in an unlicensed and uninsured gypsy cab"

AirBNB:
The claim: "Rent out a bedroom to tourists, or your entire home or vacation home on weekends you are vacationing elsewhere"
The reality: "Bootleg hotels not abiding by industry laws or standards"

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