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Tres Burritos posted:Oh I've got all three in the link, also the sharpening jigs. Shoot me a PM if you're interested. I don't have PMs but I might be interested in the Mk ii honing guide.
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Aug 11, 2017 05:57
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Corky Romanovsky posted:Cocobolo. 
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Aug 11, 2017 08:53
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https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/patent-disputes-stand-in-the-way-of-radically-safer-table-saws/quote:Now federal regulators are considering whether to make Gass' technology mandatory in the table-saw industry. The Consumer Product Safety Commission announced plans for a new rule in May, and the rules could take effect in the coming months.
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Aug 11, 2017 13:50
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Mr. Mambold posted:Cypress? Somebody put up the wormil signal. Teak, you pussy. Go big or go J102055.
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Aug 11, 2017 14:53
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Hubis posted:https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/08/patent-disputes-stand-in-the-way-of-radically-safer-table-saws/ Nick Offerman's 'Good Clean Fun' talked a lot about SawStop and why he puts them in his shops. When he looks at the productivity and safety of his team, $800 more for the safety feature is cheaper than the workman's comp payout for even a lost pinky. You can see the compensation by limb here. I'd be in favor of this only if Gass were forced to open up their patents, otherwise it's just a regulated monopoly that will kill the contractor/table top saw market.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:03
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Spazz posted:Nick Offerman's 'Good Clean Fun' talked a lot about SawStop and why he puts them in his shops. When he looks at the productivity and safety of his team, $800 more for the safety feature is cheaper than the workman's comp payout for even a lost pinky. You can see the compensation by limb here. Agreed. Though I still don't think this should be mandated for hobbyists. This seems like a reasonable step for a shop, but not really in a garage.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:21
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Is sawstop tech even suitable for a contractor/jobsite saw (ie the hobbyist special)? I had assumed it was kind of restricted to the larger fixed table designs.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:32
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Anyone here have kids? I have an 11 year old boy and recently I've taught him to use the bandsaw. He does great and I dont worry about him using it at all. This prompted to me think about when would he be old enough to use the table saw. I posed the question to my coworker who has young boys. His answer "when I get a sawstop".
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Aug 11, 2017 15:44
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Hubis posted:Is sawstop tech even suitable for a contractor/jobsite saw (ie the hobbyist special)? I had assumed it was kind of restricted to the larger fixed table designs. The advert I remember watching for the sawstop was explicitly a contractor model. mds2 posted:Anyone here have kids? I have an 11 year old boy and recently I've taught him to use the bandsaw. He does great and I dont worry about him using it at all. This prompted to me think about when would he be old enough to use the table saw. Don't forget about kickback. I wouldn't want to let any kid of mine use a table saw without close supervision for at least several projects so I knew they were clear on how to safely set up a cut and use the various safety features.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:47
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So SawStop is different from a Pharmaceutical company how exactly?
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Aug 11, 2017 15:56
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Definitely do a demonstration of kickback, and show what happens to a wiener that gets too close. If he's generally conscious about workshop safety, maybe try setting up a few simple cuts that can be performed safely, and help him guide it through. Talk about what feels safe. Keep in mind that at his age he's still growing, and table saws are generally made for fully grown people to use. He probably shouldn't operate it by himself (but still supervised) until 15-16 years of age.
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Aug 11, 2017 15:57
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My opinion is he can use it when he pays his own health insurance premiums and deductibles. Or 15-16ish with supervision.
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Aug 11, 2017 16:10
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GEMorris posted:So SawStop is different from a Pharmaceutical company how exactly? Their sales reps aren't nearly as attractive. mds2 posted:Anyone here have kids? I have an 11 year old boy and recently I've taught him to use the bandsaw. He does great and I dont worry about him using it at all. This prompted to me think about when would he be old enough to use the table saw. Read the OSHA thread with him.
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Aug 11, 2017 16:11
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I do far fewer/less involved projects than all of you, but I definitely need to get some kind of dust collector. Is something like this good enough for my needs? Aside from price and a feeling of self worth, is there any reason to build my own rather than buying the $50 piece of molded plastic?
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Aug 11, 2017 16:22
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Teak, you pussy. Go big or go J102055. For a tortarium? Plus it's endangered species, much like many turtles, so there's some feng shui to that I guess. rear end in a top hat
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Aug 11, 2017 17:04
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mds2 posted:Anyone here have kids? I have an 11 year old boy and recently I've taught him to use the bandsaw. He does great and I dont worry about him using it at all. This prompted to me think about when would he be old enough to use the table saw. My stepson was somewhat accident prone growing up, and my son had a horrible temper so I never had them out in the shop with me. It was no-go. Period. When my stepson got older, I gave him a summer job being basically a sanding grunt on a big project (at minimum wage, but it was big bucks to him). He has done some small remodel stuff on his own since, but I don't know recall ever showing him anything. My wife, who they get the spaz gene and irrational temper from, won't go near the table saw or miter saw; but she will go out and cut with the radial arm saw all day- a tool I reckon as the most dangerous of the 3.
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Aug 11, 2017 17:15
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Hubis posted:Is sawstop tech even suitable for a contractor/jobsite saw (ie the hobbyist special)? I had assumed it was kind of restricted to the larger fixed table designs. Sawstop makes both a jobsite and a contractor style saw, in addition to the cabinet saws. Of course, even the jobsite saw is $1400, which prices it out of the range of a lot of the weekend warrior/hobbyist types.
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Aug 11, 2017 17:42
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Mr Executive posted:I do far fewer/less involved projects than all of you, but I definitely need to get some kind of dust collector. Is something like this good enough for my needs? Aside from price and a feeling of self worth, is there any reason to build my own rather than buying the $50 piece of molded plastic? I bought the whole combo system with 2 buckets and the mounting hardware and I'm happy with it. It was $150~ I believe. I still have a bag in my shop vac that I hook it up to and it still accumulates fine dust, but that's less going into the filter and less in the air. Having said that, I would not mount the bucket to my shop vac if I could do it again because you then have to scoop out the contents or tip the whole set over to empty the buckets. I plan to unmount, seal the hole, and build a caddy for them to sit on to make it easier to swap out buckets when full. You don't realize how much you produce until you start working, and some things are fine like a table saw, but I filled the bucket planing each side of 6x 8' long 4x6's. Edit: As for reasons to build your own, I think it depends on your use case and tool availability. I saw the steps to make your own with sheet metal but that looks like a real pain in the rear end, and I was happier paying $50 to not have to do that. Spazz fucked around with this message at 19:10 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 18:59
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GEMorris posted:So SawStop is different from a Pharmaceutical company how exactly? The industry had a chance to get in on the ground floor, they said no thanks. They've had a decade to come up with their own safety technology, and the best they've done is fitting saws with better riving knives and blade guards that most users immediately remove. For what it's worth, my main power saw is a recall-era Craftsman RAS deathtrap. I'd rather rip on it than a cheap table saw. The RAS at least has a riving knife and fingers that prevent kickback. They pulled the retrofit kit offer before I could get one.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:07
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History reminder: seatbelts and airbags used to be luxury car features. Plebes get amputations, I guess.
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Aug 11, 2017 20:09
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Spazz posted:I bought the whole combo system with 2 buckets and the mounting hardware and I'm happy with it. It was $150~ I believe. I still have a bag in my shop vac that I hook it up to and it still accumulates fine dust, but that's less going into the filter and less in the air. I was planning on just getting the cyclone and buying my own hardware/bucket. I'm not too worried about capacity or emptying the bucket too often as I'm not going to be using it everyday and I don't have a planer. this will mostly be connected to a miter saw, a table saw, a belt sander, or used for circular saw/router cleanup. I have limited space, so I'm planning on keeping the dust collection stuffed in a corner with a hose that can reach across the room. That brings me to my next question. Is there going to be a significant difference in performance between using a 15' hose with a stationary dust collector as opposed to a 5' hose with the dust collector/shopvac on a dolly/etc...?
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Aug 11, 2017 20:34
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I think the Sawstop argument basically puts people into three camps.
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Aug 11, 2017 21:25
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Falcon2001 posted:I think the Sawstop argument basically puts people into three camps. Again, SawStop is acting exactly like any pharma company that develops a life saving drug. I don't see these crotchety old guys getting bent out of shape about drug companies making a profit off of their inventions (even if they probably should)
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Aug 11, 2017 21:41
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Afaik pharma companies don't get their monopolies to become legally required products (I could be wrong tho)
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Aug 11, 2017 21:48
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Magres posted:Afaik pharma companies don't get their monopolies to become legally required products If you're gonna die without the drug, tell me where the distinction around "legally required" exists.
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Aug 11, 2017 21:50
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GEMorris posted:If you're gonna die without the drug, tell me where the distinction around "legally required" exists. To be fair, I'm strongly pro single payer slash universal health care because the entire idea that we have choice when it comes to "pay the medical bill or die" is a bunch of loving crap. I should explain where I personally fall in the SawStop thing. Requiring shops to get SawStops so their employees don't get fuckin maimed in the line of work: Cool! Partly because shops, which are already dropping tens of thousands on their equipment, can afford the extra expense. Requiring all sawmakers to put SawStops in: Kinda lovely, because when it comes to personal use equipment you do have a choice and requiring SawStop tech would make table saws badly prohibitively expensive for most hobbyists. I just think there's a difference between the SawStop situation and the pharma corp situation. Like while PPE and life saving drugs have similar end results, the necessity of using them and the means by which we arrive at a point where they are important and useful are different enough that I don't think the analogy holds up. I can't walk away from having a life ending disease that I'll have to pay tens (more like hundreds) of thousands to keep it from killing me, if a job is the only thing between me and destitution I can't walk away from it, but I can (and have) dropped hobbies because they were prohibitively expensive. Magres fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 22:03
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Magres posted:To be fair, I'm strongly pro single payer slash universal health care because the entire idea that we have choice when it comes to "pay the medical bill or die" is a bunch of loving crap. Yeah - I agree. I don't find the two situations equivalent, assuming I didn't miss something about it. The critical difference is that pharmaceutical companies aren't generally going out and lobbying to make federal requirements to have their products prescribed. I can certainly agree that to some degree there's a necessity around 'if you don't take this you could die', but the fact that Sawstop HAS had to go out and lobby for regulation and pharma companies don't proves that the analogy isn't a good one, in my opinion. Side note though: If the patents were opened, I would be 100% in favor of requiring it though, as I think it's a net savings in terms of healthcare costs/etc. I just don't like the way that SawStop is going about lobbying for it at the same time that they are suing Bosch.
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Aug 11, 2017 22:07
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I mean pharma corps lobby like crazy nonstop. Like a little differently than "get this medicine legally required" but they're still constantly trying to sway the regulatory and legislative process. The difference to me is that I can choose to use a table saw or not, I can't choose whether I need life saving medicine or not. E: Also hell yes if the patents were opened then require that poo poo. Magres fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Aug 11, 2017 |
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Aug 11, 2017 22:10
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I kind of feel like this is a situation where legislating Sawstops isn't even necessary. Any commercial shop must carry liability insurance, right? Let the insurance companies tell the shops "hey, if you don't get Sawstops we'll jack your premiums up." They're perfectly within their rights to do that kind of thing. Anyway, people bitch and moan about pharma companies and medical costs all the time, so I'm not sure where the "pharma gets a pass on doing what Sawstop is doing" thing comes from.
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Aug 11, 2017 22:14
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Pharma patents also intentionally expire faster than other patents in recognition of the need to get drugs into the generic market as fast as possible being a strong balance against the need for patent protection to incentivize huge R&D budgets on novel therapies. What we are talking about here is a patented technology being mandated for every single manufacturer to pay for. This creates a situation where the patent holder can literally charge anything they want: and the fact that the patent holder already manufactures their own brand of equipment means they can simply set a price no other buyer can afford to pay, and subsequently own the entire market for table saws in America. And why wouldn't they?
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Aug 11, 2017 22:26
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I kind of feel like this is a situation where legislating Sawstops isn't even necessary. Any commercial shop must carry liability insurance, right? Let the insurance companies tell the shops "hey, if you don't get Sawstops we'll jack your premiums up." They're perfectly within their rights to do that kind of thing. This is already kinda a thing. The makerspace that I belong to bought a SawStop because with it, our insurance premiums were a lot lower.
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Aug 11, 2017 22:28
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Mr Executive posted:I do far fewer/less involved projects than all of you, but I definitely need to get some kind of dust collector. Is something like this good enough for my needs? Aside from price and a feeling of self worth, is there any reason to build my own rather than buying the $50 piece of molded plastic? There are some decent homemade plans for Thein baffles and other things that do similar stuff. Also theee are Chinese knockoffs of the dust deputy if you're willing to wait for longer shipping to save some money.
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Aug 11, 2017 23:54
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Cannon_Fodder posted:Teak, you pussy. Go big or go J102055. Go big or go Goku?  Mr. Mambold posted:For a tortarium? Plus it's endangered species, much like many turtles, so there's some feng shui to that I guess. Well the tortoises are only "vulnerable", so I guess Brazilian rosewood would keep things even. It'll also warm up the tone, if I'm reading things right, especially if it's paired with Honduran mahogany? 
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Aug 12, 2017 00:38
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Buttjoints and whatever titebond I have lying around is more than good enough. The tortoises would be equally content with taped cardboard. The tortoises have no concept of such things, or of things in general. BUT I LOVE WASTING TIME (and learning fusion)   I also may have googled "what angle for dovetails" but gently caress that.
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Aug 12, 2017 01:33
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scandoslav posted:Go big or go Goku? Those are a lovely combination. Top, top timber. scandoslav posted:Buttjoints and whatever titebond I have lying around is more than good enough. The tortoises would be equally content with taped cardboard. The tortoises have no concept of such things, or of things in general. scandoslav posted:
Fwiw, buttjoints are technically endgrain and not gluable, but if you turn the legs in the 1st pic so the grain runs horizontal, that's gluable joint. The last one is fingerjoint, and quite durable and nice.
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Aug 12, 2017 01:48
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scandoslav posted:Buttjoints and whatever titebond I have lying around is more than good enough. The tortoises would be equally content with taped cardboard. The tortoises have no concept of such things, or of things in general. I miss HV - Spooge
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Aug 12, 2017 02:49
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jailbait#3 posted:The industry had a chance to get in on the ground floor, they said no thanks. They've had a decade to come up with their own safety technology, and the best they've done is fitting saws with better riving knives and blade guards that most users immediately remove And since then, every time they have tried to come up with their own safety technology, they've been sued by SawStop, so it seems silly to act like Big Table Saw is just stomping on the little guy. Bosch came up with a better system - Same safety, and no damage to the saw. They are being sued.
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Aug 12, 2017 03:43
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Are there any good articles on workshop design/etc? Sometime in the next six-nine months I'm going to plopping a shop down in my backyard and I'm sort of in analysis paralysis mode on what I should be aiming for. I've worked out my max size for the structure (620 sqft) according to city codes/etc, but not sure about dimensions/etc or what sort of layout I should be aiming for.
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Aug 12, 2017 04:35
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Got this gnarly shelix cutterhead installed today.  jesus christ it was so worth it.
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