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Here's how far above Gohan is compared to others. Gohan let himself get pummeled as hard as the strongest warrior of Warrior 10 could pummel him until he exhausted himself- and was completely fine! Gohan literally let the guy beat the poo poo out of him Homer Simpson style. Universe 7 is a nightmare universe And never forget, one of the strongest and greatest of their universe sat the tournament out because he wanted to take a goddamn nap
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Burkion posted:Here's how far above Gohan is compared to others. This may be true and it may even be logical but that doesn't always make for thrilling television.
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Stallion Cabana posted:This may be true and it may even be logical but that doesn't always make for thrilling television. At the same time, Universe 7 not getting to fight and win a lot is equally disappointing of an idea. This is the wave of mooks for cool fights, and soon we'll get to the heavy duty stakes.
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Aug 14, 2017 05:43
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If every other universe has their own story, then everyone's been fighting off the Krillin equivalents so far. For the most part they're not fighting the other Krillins though, or trying to take on multiple people like idiots.
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Aug 14, 2017 06:02
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For better or for worse, we will never know how much stronger than the competition Krillin is. I do wonder if the voice actress's commitment to One Piece meant they could only dedicate so much time to DBS, though.
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Aug 14, 2017 07:00
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Cus becoming heartbroken is the saddest thing.
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Aug 14, 2017 08:16
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Burkion posted:Here's how far above Gohan is compared to others.
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Aug 14, 2017 08:53
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Can you imagine how insane Buu being in the tournament and just absorbing everyone would be? Oh they're not dead I'll just eat them all steal their power and then eliminate myself and every other universe at the same time.
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Aug 14, 2017 12:28
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The Bee posted:At the same time, Universe 7 not getting to fight and win a lot is equally disappointing of an idea. This is the wave of mooks for cool fights, and soon we'll get to the heavy duty stakes. Not really, you'd expect Universe 7 to have to struggle against a huge amount of tough opponents and only come out on top by the skin of their teeth, that's dramatic. Instead they just end up curb-stomping all-comers and the very concept of the arc feels like a bit of a waste if the only particularly dangerous opponents end up being Jiren, Hit (if even) and Kale.
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Aug 14, 2017 13:13
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khwarezm posted:Not really, you'd expect Universe 7 to have to struggle against a huge amount of tough opponents and only come out on top by the skin of their teeth, that's dramatic. Instead they just end up curb-stomping all-comers and the very concept of the arc feels like a bit of a waste if the only particularly dangerous opponents end up being Jiren, Hit (if even) and Kale. But it's only been like 15 minutes right? Not yet.
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Aug 14, 2017 14:17
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I can only speak for myself but yeah, I got way less interested in the actual ToP once it became clear that Universe 7 is going to spend most of the runtime clowning on the other universes.
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Aug 14, 2017 14:26
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Universe 7 needed everyone to shine somewhat because they are the main characters and everyone wants to see their favorites do *something*. The eliminations will probably start in a couple of weeks, and probably quickly after they begin. This is basically the prelims and round 1s of the Budokai. Same reason that Winnie the Pooh is the only character eliminated from his universe so far. It probably is going to end like the end credits show. Goku and Gohan vs. an assortment of the top rest from other universes, with them as underdogs.
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Aug 14, 2017 15:28
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Shinjobi posted:I do wonder if the voice actress's commitment to One Piece meant they could only dedicate so much time to DBS, though. Considering both are Toei shows and likely recorded in the same place, I doubt it. Krillin was KOed first and fast because he's Krillin, his job is to suffer for our amusement.
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Blaze Dragon posted:Considering both are Toei shows and likely recorded in the same place, I doubt it. The best part was the episode is named, Show them Krillin's True Power.
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Darko posted:Universe 7 needed everyone to shine somewhat because they are the main characters and everyone wants to see their favorites do *something*. The eliminations will probably start in a couple of weeks, and probably quickly after they begin. This is basically the prelims and round 1s of the Budokai. Yeah we're in the "fight a bunch of dumb mooks to show everyone's coolness off" part. Basically everyone who has been eliminated so far from the other universes has been a total nobody or a C-list fighter who nobody expected to accomplish anything like the Trio de Dangers. They've been pretty studiously avoiding really conclusive fights between U6 and U7, have kept Ribrianne from really fighting anyone yet, Jiren and Toppo are still jerking off somewhere "saving their power" and not doing poo poo all yet, U4 hasn't really done anything yet despite its GoD apparently really hating Beerus, etc.
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Aug 14, 2017 16:48
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Like the Grand Priest said a couple episodes ago, most of the riffraff have been cleared out. Just because everyone in this tournament is the 10 strongest fighters of that universe doesn't mean there can't be huge gaps in power between those who have already been knocked out and those still in. U7 is a great example, the power gap between Tien and Goku is just ridiculous, I imagine it's the same for other universes, like how Botamo is nowhere close to Hit's or Kale's level. A lot of the stronger fighters are also being pretty smart and just holding back and letting the dumbasses from U7 and 6 knock out most of the fighters and tire themselves out. I imagine all of the fighting Goku has done thus far is gonna start biting him since we've still got over 30 mins left to go and he doesn't seem like he's stopping to let others fight any time soon. Like Goku's gonna be in SSG before the tournament is not even 25% done, I think he's fighting too much and powering up too quickly, especially against fighters he should be letting other members of his team fight so he can go all out against the really strong guys. I also imagine things are gonna get a lot more intense and desperate as the time runs down and the number of fighters dwindle, we might start seeing some real last minute attacks and forms as victory for a universe is in reach.
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Aug 14, 2017 18:09
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Any bets on which universes bite it next? My Money is on 3 or 4. tbh, I can see almost all of these universes getting erased, but I can't see them erasing 6. We've had too much investment in them I think?
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Aug 14, 2017 18:15
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Does Goku have some kind of plan based around demonstrating he can't keep his guard up, but he's secretly become super observant? Or is he really stupid? Both?
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Aug 14, 2017 18:21
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I think he's lost his fight sense, if he ever had it. He hasn't been properly challenged in years, and that was Cell, which he handed off. Gold Frieza he was able to out-power. with added reset. Whis has been training him but not fighting him-we've seen him resort to biting, the last he did that was Buu, and before again back in Dragon Ball. Goku's got absurd power and reserves, but he doesn't understand pacing himself anymore. Then again, given the nature of his fights, he's always had to give everything because it's all on the line, and such. Everyone's telling him the same thing, but he keeps going along, figuring it'll work out and/or someone else will work out what needs doing so he can do it, or help out. Well, that's the nature of Monkey, I guess. Irrepressible fight-loving. Anyone who's willing to literally get themselves killed to figure out someone's trick...
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Aug 14, 2017 18:44
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OB_Juan posted:Does Goku have some kind of plan based around demonstrating he can't keep his guard up, but he's secretly become super observant? Or is he really stupid? Both? He's always been the same. He's too relaxed and constantly lets his guard down. He's really stupid, basically. Whis called him out on it, but he didn't listen.
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Aug 14, 2017 18:48
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Goku is on the final stretch of his long con to kill the gods for Justice.
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Bloodly posted:I think he's lost his fight sense, if he ever had it. He hasn't been properly challenged in years, and that was Cell, which he handed off. Gold Frieza he was able to out-power. with added reset. Whis has been training him but not fighting him-we've seen him resort to biting, the last he did that was Buu, and before again back in Dragon Ball. Goku's got absurd power and reserves, but he doesn't understand pacing himself anymore. Then again, given the nature of his fights, he's always had to give everything because it's all on the line, and such. I think a big part of Super is showing that Goku is getting that fight sense back. Back when Whis was training him he said the most important part was being able to move your body without thinking, and we've had a few episodes of Goku training and succeeding to do just that. I think everyone telling him to keep his guard up might be a translation thing? Like everyone's giving a generic "hey do your best, watch your back out there, etc." and it just keeps getting translated as "keep your guard up!"
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Kithkar posted:Any bets on which universes bite it next? My Money is on 3 or 4. 3, Robot universe doesn't seem to have much personality and their two main guys seem to already be gone (though Paparoni could put up a fight). Additionally its hard to get emotionally connected to a team of bolt buckets whose Kai is an arrogant prick and GoD needs a translator. After that 4, Quitela seems to have lots of dirty tricks still up his sleeves, but dirty tricks never win and there's no way that a character who's that much of a dick will make it to the end. I think if there isn't some swerve to resurrect all of the other universes that it will come down to the pairings of 11 and 2, as well as 6 and 7. 11 have had it rough recently so they'll play it safe, I'm not sure what will happen to Dyspo but I think the other pride trooper seen in the next episode will go down before him. I think if they were done with universe 2 they would have just eliminated Rozie and Ribrianne this episode, but I'd say they're being kept around to strut their stuff for later. 2 also seems much more positive and heroic than most of the other universes, what with the constant appeals to love and harmony, and they've been on the backfoot in recent episodes(before Jimeze teleported Ribrianne and Rozie away Goku and 17 really felt like villain characters about to finish off the heroes) but are still mostly intact so I'll guess they'll go to the end and be a part of the final showdown. Whatever happens 6 and 7 are guaranteed to survive this, or at least their team will.
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All the jobber universes will get erased, then we get our big showdown with Goku and Jiren before the tournament goes off the rails, and then everyone turns against Zen-oh/Grand Priest.
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My guess it will come down to 6 and 7, and Jiren as the lone U11 rep. I have a feeling no one else from 7 is gonna get knocked out for awhile because they've been reusing the animations of U7 shots with Beerus, Whis, Old Kai, Shin and Krillin, and don't want to reanimate someone else in there 
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Aug 14, 2017 19:27
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But what difference would it make if they turned on Zen-Oh/Grand Priest? Angels can turn back time, so as long as one of them doesn't get killed, they could just rewind time back to safety. Then Zen-Oh could just erase any troublemakers on the spot, before they even had the opportunity to start throwing punches. They're in a checkmate situation. Goku using the Super Dragon Balls to wish back the deleted universes seems like the most likely ending.
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Aug 14, 2017 19:28
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I am 100% convinced that Goku is going to bring back the universes with the wish and he's going to convince Zen-Oh that he should let them stay around as this will allow for more fights in the future. This will keep Goku and Zen-Oh entertained. Goku's fight boner will come full circle and save the multiverse.
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I think it'll come down to Gohan as the last U7 guy. They've been hyping up him as team leader and his alternate powerup path beyond Super Saiyan. It'll be something he and Piccolo unlocked and kept under wraps. And yeah, all those destroyed Universes are either going to be fused into one or brought back. There are too many cool characters introduced (basically all of U6, the Pride Troopers, Gowasu) to just wipe them out. A Fancy Hat fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Aug 14, 2017 |
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Jedah posted:But what difference would it make if they turned on Zen-Oh/Grand Priest? Angels can turn back time, so as long as one of them doesn't get killed, they could just rewind time back to safety. Then Zen-Oh could just erase any troublemakers on the spot, before they even had the opportunity to start throwing punches. They're in a checkmate situation. Who's to say that the Angels don't join in on the rebellion? We've seen at least one distraught over the erasure of their universe.
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Is everyone overlooking that wishing back the erased universes and merging them into one is 2 wishes?
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My hope is u6 wins and Champa wishes back u7 as a payback to his big bro burning his wish on him earlier 
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Monaghan posted:I am 100% convinced that Goku is going to bring back the universes with the wish and he's going to convince Zen-Oh that he should let them stay around as this will allow for more fights in the future. This will keep Goku and Zen-Oh entertained. It's 100% going to be U7 wins and then not even getting to the dragon balls, Zeno(s) will be like "we can't wait for the next one!" and then as soon as anyone is like "But you deleted all the universes" he just claps his hands and brings them all back.
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Bloodly posted:I think he's lost his fight sense, if he ever had it. He hasn't been properly challenged in years, and that was Cell, which he handed off. Gold Frieza he was able to out-power. with added reset. Whis has been training him but not fighting him-we've seen him resort to biting, the last he did that was Buu, and before again back in Dragon Ball. Goku's got absurd power and reserves, but he doesn't understand pacing himself anymore. Then again, given the nature of his fights, he's always had to give everything because it's all on the line, and such. Did you miss his fights with Hit? Both of those fights tested his ability to read and adapt to an opponent more than almost any fight he ever had, and the only way he was able to even match Hit in the U6 vs U7 tournament was to break out an untested powerup that could have killed him if he hosed it up.
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Kithkar posted:It's 100% going to be U7 wins and then not even getting to the dragon balls, Zeno(s) will be like "we can't wait for the next one!" and then as soon as anyone is like "But you deleted all the universes" he just claps his hands and brings them all back. This would be the worst. I'm banking on it being more like the other theory, that Zeno is just shunting everybody into a single clusterfuck universe to clear space in his God Closet, and he's maintaining the kayfabe of killing everybody because he's a horrible child who thinks it will be a fun surprise. Then Toei can recycle a bunch of weird ideas from the DBZ MMO in this new hosed up super universe where like 8 different planet earths are mashed together and the Saiyan homeworld still exists.
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A Fancy Hat posted:I think it'll come down to Gohan as the last U7 guy. They've been hyping up him as team leader and his alternate powerup path beyond Super Saiyan. It'll be something he and Piccolo unlocked and kept under wraps. Gohan is not going to outshine Goku. I'd be surprised if he outshines Vegeta.
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I do kinda feel we're a bit overdue for another U7 ring-out just to raise the stakes again now that half the contestants are gone. Who was next on the OP theory elimination order again?
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I don't think "people fight the literal God of Everything that obliterates realities with a thought but is also a 5-year-old child" is what DBS is gonna pull off, but I'm kinda feeling a schism between angels happening. I'm not sure if they're gonna go for anything there either, but there was a VAST difference between how furry universe and U10's angels reacted to their dudes getting erased from reality. Plus the angels feel a bit more realistic as overpowered enemies and not just audience stand-ins (I still think Zeno is basically the average kid watching Super and doesn't give a gently caress about implications because he just wants to see their pal Goku punch random jobbers).
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Neo_Crimson posted:Who's to say that the Angels don't join in on the rebellion? We've seen at least one distraught over the erasure of their universe. If all the Angels rebelled together, they'd have much more of a fighting chance, yeah. Still, Whis seems loyal to his dad and counter-part angels above his own universe (even though he loves Earth food). And this also makes me wonder if Zen-Oh can even receive damage. He's probably a gimmick character who would just bounce around off the walls and go "yay! I'm having fun!" Plus, now there's two of them. Unless you defeat both of them simultaneously, the other one will just insta-delete any rebels. Super Dragon Balls are definitely the best way to fix the situation.
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I'm guessing that the Great Priest is gonna be the big bad at the end, given that he seems to be the one actively suggesting that the universes gotta go. Zen-oh is more or less just along for the ride and doing what he thinks is fun. Plus he's actually theoretically beatable, unlike Zen-Oh
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Bloodly posted:I think he's lost his fight sense, if he ever had it. He hasn't been properly challenged in years, and that was Cell, which he handed off. Gold Frieza he was able to out-power. with added reset. Whis has been training him but not fighting him-we've seen him resort to biting, the last he did that was Buu, and before again back in Dragon Ball. Goku's got absurd power and reserves, but he doesn't understand pacing himself anymore. Then again, given the nature of his fights, he's always had to give everything because it's all on the line, and such. He wasnt able to overpower Golden Freeza. Freeza was smacking him around easily in RoF. Only once Freeza started running out of juice did the tide turn, but when both were at 100% max, Goku was simply outmatched. And since then Freeza has taken care of his lack of stamina and has likely gotten a tad bit stronger too. And apart from Freeza, Goku's been challenged by Beerus, Hit, Goku Black, etc. Guys that really made him give it his all and apply everything he's learned.
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