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MrBling posted:https://www.decibelmagazine.com/2017/08/28/matt-harvey-cant-censor-nsbm-distribute/ this thing is full of great quotes quote:As a metal fan and musician, that I will encounter artists, fans and art that I will disagree with politically and personally (I mean some people out there actually like Finntroll, what the gently caress is up with that?) quote:Barney Greenway is a congenial guy concerned about 3rd world working conditions, strengthening labor unions, abolishing the death penalty and the environmental effects of the meat industry. Varg Vikernes is racist murderer who thinks that the future looks like a J.R.R. Tolkien novel because Odin is an interstellar super-being. quote:I believe the best way to combat Nazism in metal is to let it slink over in its own unlit corner of the genre. The vast majority of its fans are mouth-breathing wimps who haven’t accomplished anything in their virginal existences that doesn’t involve an Xbox controller.
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Aug 29, 2017 15:33
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exhumed is cool and good https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g90PdTG-22M
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Faffel posted:I killed a guy in PUBG named KingDiamond666 and when I yelled "grandma what was it like" he began reciting Welcome Home at me as his corpse faded away. It was really quite good. I guess he had the right name. lmao this owns.
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Aug 29, 2017 16:17
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The only good Tribulation album is The Horror
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That article is funny but pretty dumb, anyone who thinks ignoring Nazi poo poo and voting with your dollars is the best way to fight it is either terminally liberal or a mealy-mouthed apologist
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Aug 29, 2017 18:49
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I've only downloaded Exhumed albums. I don't buy their albums or wear their shirts because I don't want people to think I'm into necrophilia.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:06
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Babymetal is far more offensive than any NSBM band. also if you take lyrics super seriously then you're probably a big ol idiot
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Aug 29, 2017 19:33
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on the other hand, they could just not write songs glorifying nazis, but y'know
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Aug 29, 2017 19:34
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Babymetal loving owns actually, partly for the music and partly for how insecure they make a lot of metalheads. It is categorically hilarious how many burly dudes get so angry and start to adjudicate genre boundaries in a desperate attempt to close off their pet genre to Japanese teen girls.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:38
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Look just because I listen to a lot of power metal it doesn't mean that I want to categorically slay dragons. I mean how much market share could NSBM have in spreading the alt-right ideology? There have to be a ton of other more mainstream genres that would be a better vehicle for that kind of viewpoint. I dunno, I still listen to Pantera and Megadeth despite Phil and Dave saying really dumb things politically.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:46
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Metal politics can suck my turgid babydick Racists are bad, Arghoslent/GBK writes cool riffs Both are true Also, someone should shoot Varg in the street
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Vargatron posted:I mean how much market share could NSBM have in spreading the alt-right ideology? Given how many people have a deep connection to the underground music of their youth and how significantly their experiences with music shaped their adolescence and social groups, it's probably pretty important to consider the culture abetted by NSBM. People forget that white supremacy is actually the de facto status quo, not some easily-ignored minority group. It turns out that white supremacy has the lion's share of most markets already, and ignoring it just condones it.
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Aug 29, 2017 19:53
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Vargatron posted:I mean how much market share could NSBM have in spreading the alt-right ideology? There have to be a ton of other more mainstream genres that would be a better vehicle for that kind of viewpoint. And yet there aren't really a bunch of open Nazis in those genres, for some reason. Metal is uniquely hospitable to these idiots, which is what people take issue with. Yeah in reality a ton of NSBM stuff is edgelords being edgelords, and yeah sometimes you get dumb witch hunts but I dunno, there's also something to be said for not having your music scene be a place where actual, violent white supremacists can blend in. 
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Hulk Krogan posted:Yeah in reality a ton of NSBM stuff is edgelords being edgelords, and yeah sometimes you get dumb witch hunts but I dunno, there's also something to be said for not having your music scene be a place where actual, violent white supremacists can blend in. Metal's extreme criticism of religion doesn't help keeping white supremacists away. It's hard to give someone poo poo for being anti-Judaism when you have bands like Deicide talking about murdering Christians.
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Hulk Krogan posted:And yet there aren't really a bunch of open Nazis in those genres, for some reason. Metal is uniquely hospitable to these idiots, which is what people take issue with. I look at it from the point of view where there's a market present with extreme right wingers and NSBM bands exist because those people buy their records. Whether or not the genre of metal is an acceptable venue for those beliefs is a little moot because you're talking about a musical form. Metal in and of itself isn't a political ideology. Yes it's unfortunate that mainstream culture could misconstrue the existence of NSBM as a tacit acceptance of Nazi ideology in metal culture, but that's a perception issue and not the actual case. Also open Nazis artists aren't exclusive to the metal scene. You have National Socialism punk rock artists as well (a kid in my high school was really into Skrewdriver).
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Faffel posted:Metal's extreme criticism of religion doesn't help keeping white supremacists away. It's hard to give someone poo poo for being anti-Judaism when you have bands like Deicide talking about murdering Christians. Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with Jewish religious practices
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Aug 29, 2017 20:15
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Vargatron posted:Yes it's unfortunate that mainstream culture could misconstrue the existence of NSBM as a tacit acceptance of Nazi ideology in metal culture, but that's a perception issue and not the actual case. quote:I believe the best way to combat Nazism in metal is to let it slink over in its own unlit corner of the genre.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Anti-Semitism has nothing to do with Jewish religious practices Not saying it really does, but blind juvenile hatred is a common thing in metal so it makes sense why NSBM finds tacit acceptance. The punk scene in the UK got a really strong anti fascist sentiment during the white supremacy swell, so it would be cool if a bunch of "gently caress nazi" bands popped up and had an effect. No metal band I listen to actually talks about real poo poo though, and it's a pretty abstract genre a lot of the time so who knows. Faffel fucked around with this message at 20:21 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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If we quietly allow them to do their thing, the Nazis polluting our genre will go away. -A guy who used to distribute nsbm
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been a while since we've had a good meltdown ITT, keep going
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Varg posted:been a while since we've had a good meltdown ITT, keep going I'm far too old to get mad the internet, my friend, but if you'd like to continue the discussion that would be okay
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Vargatron posted:Yes it's unfortunate that mainstream culture could misconstrue the existence of NSBM as a tacit acceptance of Nazi ideology in metal culture, but that's a perception issue and not the actual case. I don't really care about that. Does the broader public even consider metal to be a scary, dangerous thing anymore? Seems like that kinda ended a long time ago when they moved onto worrying about rap and video games. I kinda doubt most normal people are really aware that nazi metal bands are even much of a thing. The reason people get concerned about NSBM stuff is that it's a vector for recruiting and organizing. If it was just edgelord lyrics I doubt you'd get much more than scattered outcry about hate speech, but there seems to be a good deal of overlap between NSBM bands/labels/publications/etc and actual white supremacist political groups. Hulk Krogan fucked around with this message at 20:29 on Aug 29, 2017 |
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I mean I'm not sure what more to do about the issue other than what I'm doing now. I don't buy NSBM merch and I don't support the artists. It's scary how white nationalism/neo-nazis are in the mainstream spotlight and are evidently condoned by the current administration. What's the correct form of opposition against this?
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Van Dis posted:Babymetal loving owns actually, partly for the music and partly for how insecure they make a lot of metalheads. It is categorically hilarious how many burly dudes get so angry and start to adjudicate genre boundaries in a desperate attempt to close off their pet genre to Japanese teen girls. Agreed, they're not a band I listen to for the same reasons as most metal, but their live stuff is really good and fun when I want something upbeat. Their belief in metal as a unifying force and willingness to experiment makes them far more worthy of respect than any NSBM band too. Are there any good left wing or anti-nazi metal bands apart from Napalm Death and Bolt Thrower?
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Shut the hell up about Nazis and post some metal you dorks. https://youtu.be/FArnO4roA_U Metal!
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nerve posted:The only good Tribulation album is The Horror Like, they used to own SO HARD and now..what the gently caress happened
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The Children of the Night is the only Tribulation album I like. It's really good.
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I'll probably get loving ragged on for saying this - but I'm a big fan of Korn. Really their first few albums. Can someone recommend other metal bands that sound similar to Korn's style?
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Dennis McClaren posted:I'll probably get loving ragged on for saying this - but I'm a big fan of Korn. Really their first few albums. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZUnS93C5U_4&t=348s
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Dennis McClaren posted:I'll probably get loving ragged on for saying this - but I'm a big fan of Korn. Really their first few albums. You can like whatever you want and the metal thread can suck your dick. Sadly(?) I have no clue. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-fGKGO6rOw I do have a clue that Bloodbath made a really great song though. Faffel fucked around with this message at 00:18 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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Dennis McClaren posted:I'll probably get loving ragged on for saying this - but I'm a big fan of Korn. Really their first few albums. You're gonna get poo poo for it and that's dumb and not deserved. What do you like about their sound exactly? As much I wanna lol about Korn they've always had a very distinct and unique sound. You would be better off figuring out some specific things you like about them and go from there.
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Dennis McClaren posted:I'll probably get loving ragged on for saying this - but I'm a big fan of Korn. Really their first few albums. Try this thread.
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Faffel posted:Metal's extreme criticism of religion doesn't help keeping white supremacists away. It's hard to give someone poo poo for being anti-Judaism when you have bands like Deicide talking about murdering Christians. t's not too hard to make a good argument about the differences there (or several other 'metal is supposed to be _____ this is just very specific' comparisons you care to make) but yeah you can't magically make someone develop an interest in pursuing that line of thought, unfortunately and equally unfortunately that comparison gets used intentionally as a lazy deflection a lot. Hulk Krogan posted:The reason people get concerned about NSBM stuff is that it's a vector for recruiting and organizing. If it was just edgelord lyrics I doubt you'd get much more than scattered outcry about hate speech, but there seems to be a good deal of overlap between NSBM bands/labels/publications/etc and actual white supremacist political groups. Supposed edgelords turn out to often be fairly sincere in general more lately too. the yeti fucked around with this message at 00:48 on Aug 30, 2017 |
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BOLT THROWER
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Kilometers Davis posted:You're gonna get poo poo for it and that's dumb and not deserved. What do you like about their sound exactly? As much I wanna lol about Korn they've always had a very distinct and unique sound. You would be better off figuring out some specific things you like about them and go from there. Good point. I like their really crunchy down-tuned guitar sound. I like their drumming. And I like the clangy bass. Vocals are meh, ok I guess. I don't really listen for their lyrics just the musicality. il_cornuto posted:Try this thread. Cool will do, thanks.
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Faffel posted:You can like whatever you want and the metal thread can suck your dick. Sadly(?) I have no clue. That riff that comes in just after the 2 minute mark is so loving tremendous.
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Dennis McClaren posted:Good point. I like their really crunchy down-tuned guitar sound. I like their drumming. And I like the clangy bass. Vocals are meh, ok I guess. I don't really listen for their lyrics just the musicality. Have you listened to Meshuggah? Industrial vibes, down tunes thick rhythmic guitars, almost tribal sounding drums at times. The djent genre in general has some stuff I think you might enjoy. There's also a ton of awful overproduced fluff that isn't worth listening to unfortunately.
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this new Akercocke though.. fuckin great http://smarturl.it/RENAISSANCE_EXTREMIS
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