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Goku threw his fight against Majin Vegeta.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:27
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tbp posted:there was no way he could do that in front of the grand priest and nigh omnipotent god kids God kids need an app to watch a fast fight.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:28
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sassassin posted:Goku threw his fight against Majin Vegeta. As if using SSJ3 wouldn't have led to a loss
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Aug 31, 2017 19:29
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sassassin posted:Trunks split the timeline when he went back in time, leading to Beerus killing Zamasu. That is a separate split sassassin posted:God kids need an app to watch a fast fight. you are avoiding the part about the best fighter in this timeline
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Aug 31, 2017 19:29
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Andrast posted:As if using SSJ3 wouldn't have led to a loss he would have won the fight, then disappeared before he could teach the kids the fusion dance. then buu would have destroyed the world even when you win, you still lose with ss3
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Aug 31, 2017 19:30
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Kashuno posted:That is a separate split Beerus is not a timetraveller so how can he create new timelines?
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Aug 31, 2017 19:31
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sassassin posted:God kids need an app to watch a fast fight. And the strongest fighters underestimating weaker fighters is the most DB thing.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:32
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sassassin posted:Beerus is not a timetraveller so how can he create new timelines? Whis rewound time right before Beerus did his thing. I imagine that doing things differently from how they played out pre-winding caused a timeline split.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:33
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The Grand Priest spends his time carefully controlling two all powerful immortal children and has personally trained all his kids to manage cosmically destructive egomaniacs and train THEM. He'd know if Goku threw the fight because understanding powerful people is literally his job.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:35
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sassassin posted:Beerus is not a timetraveller so how can he create new timelines? When a God kills a God, the timelines are impacted. This is explicit
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Aug 31, 2017 19:38
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If Bergamo could convince Zen'o of not destroying everything if he won, then Zen-chan's best friend Son Goku could do it as well. Instead he remained silent, grinned evilly (and that was one hell of an evil grin), and decided to taunt literally everyone because fighting is the most important thing for universal genocidal monster Son Goku.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:40
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Blaze Dragon posted:If Bergamo could convince Zen'o of not destroying everything if he won, then Zen-chan's best friend Son Goku could do it as well. you mean the thing whis and beerus also told him not to try?
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Aug 31, 2017 19:45
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No one should ever listen to Beerus. He is kind of dumb.
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Aug 31, 2017 19:46
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Kild posted:you mean the thing whis and beerus also told him not to try? No, Beerus and Whis warned him against telling Zen'o to cancel the tournament, which Goku wouldn't have done anyways because he's Goku. He could've easily taken the same path as Bergamo, and he would've been successful at that, because Present Zen-chan genuinely likes him and has the mentality of a child, while Future Zen-chan is interested in him and fights in general. I'm pretty sure all of this will end with Goku convincing the Zen'os that fighting is super cool and so they should bring everyone back so they can keep getting cool fights, but still, he could've saved everyone the heart attacks. He of all people should know how those feel!
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Aug 31, 2017 19:53
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sassassin posted:Goku threw his fight against Majin Vegeta. vegeta also realized this
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Aug 31, 2017 20:04
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If goku had gone SSJ3 right then and there vegeta probably would have tried to copy him.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:07
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If Goku wins and doesn't wish back all the universes it will just be more evidence of his horrible evil. If he does wish back all the universes then the show won't have any consequences or tension. drat.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:09
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Kashuno posted:When a God kills a God, the timelines are impacted. This is explicit But killing Zamasu had no effect on the other timeline. Beerus only thought it would.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:10
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Yeah he was kind of immediately proven wrong when they went back to the Future. The gods don't know poo poo.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:21
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rare Magic card l00k posted:Whis rewound time right before Beerus did his thing. I imagine that doing things differently from how they played out pre-winding caused a timeline split. But stopping Freeza from blowing up Earth didn't create a time split? Like, don't all the extra time rings line up with how many different timelines Trunks created?
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Aug 31, 2017 20:22
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Beerus ended the prospect of a third Zamasu but that's it
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Aug 31, 2017 20:23
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Saagonsa posted:But stopping Freeza from blowing up Earth didn't create a time split? Like, don't all the extra time rings line up with how many different timelines Trunks created? Trunks and Cell created a whole bunch of new timelines. I'm sure I've seen diagrams trying to map it all out.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:23
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I thought they explained zamasu sticking around by saying the time ring saved him from it or w/e
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Aug 31, 2017 20:23
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no universes have been erased, the angels are all in on it. the universe 9 angel is a bad actor while the universe 10 angel is real good at it
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Aug 31, 2017 20:40
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Why are all the angels stronger than the gods? What stopping any of the GoDs from training and getting stronger than their attendant angels and eventually the high priest?
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Aug 31, 2017 20:50
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khwarezm posted:If Goku wins and doesn't wish back all the universes it will just be more evidence of his horrible evil. If he does wish back all the universes then the show won't have any consequences or tension. drat. Dragon Ball hasn't had tension in the long-term since Krillin was first resurrected.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:53
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Genocyber posted:Dragon Ball hasn't had tension in the long-term since Krillin was first resurrected. The Namek saga was non-stop tension, always thinking the next episode might reset back to Raditz.
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Aug 31, 2017 20:56
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sassassin posted:But killing Zamasu had no effect on the other timeline. Beerus only thought it would. There are 7 time lines total. There is a future where Zamasu died (current) and a future where Zamasu didn't die (original), and a future where no one knew anything (Black) Again, time travel and timelines in DBS are confusing and pretty messy
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Aug 31, 2017 21:00
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sassassin posted:The Namek saga was non-stop tension, always thinking the next episode might reset back to Raditz. Okay, yeah, the Endless Five Minutes arc was pretty tense I'll admit.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:00
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Manatee Cannon posted:I thought they explained zamasu sticking around by saying the time ring saved him from it or w/e I think that was just a fan theory going around when Beerus insisted he could totally destroy people across timelines, when the simple answer is that he doesn't know poo poo and Trunks himself is more of an authority on time travel shenanigans, as Beerus himself later admits. The future Trunks is returning to at the end also still had a Zamasu they had to deal with, and he didn't have any time ring powers at that point.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:08
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Blaze Dragon posted:No, Beerus and Whis warned him against telling Zen'o to cancel the tournament, which Goku wouldn't have done anyways because he's Goku. He could've easily taken the same path as Bergamo, and he would've been successful at that, because Present Zen-chan genuinely likes him and has the mentality of a child, while Future Zen-chan is interested in him and fights in general. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ab7KN1tVpI No Whis warns him against it here. Kild fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Aug 31, 2017 |
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Aug 31, 2017 21:21
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a cartoon duck posted:I think that was just a fan theory going around when Beerus insisted he could totally destroy people across timelines, when the simple answer is that he doesn't know poo poo and Trunks himself is more of an authority on time travel shenanigans, as Beerus himself later admits. The future Trunks is returning to at the end also still had a Zamasu they had to deal with, and he didn't have any time ring powers at that point. No actually they stated it in the loving show. They ask Goku Black why he's still around and he says "time ring idiots"
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Aug 31, 2017 21:22
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Yeah my bad, the characters themselves were busy enough throwing random guesses around that it's easy to lose track afterwards.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:26
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Yeah Goku Black is a result of the time ring. I'm not kidding when I say Time travel in this show is hosed up. again, Goku Black's mere existence is a hosed up loop that relies on Future Trunks coming back in time to escape from Goku Black that drags him to the past that creates the visit to Zamasu/Gowasu that creates Goku Black via the use of the time ring. Goku Black's existence is the result of Goku Black's existence, which is the result of Goku Black's existence!
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Aug 31, 2017 21:28
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Yeah I still couldn't quite figure out how Goku Black existed but the best I can come up with is "time rings" and call it a day.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:39
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It's implied all these timelines already exist by (I think) Black who stated he traveled endless realities searching for the right one.
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Aug 31, 2017 21:56
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I just realized something, if one zeno can count to 5 and the other to 8 doesn't that make up the whole 13 universes?
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Aug 31, 2017 22:06
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I think Goku Black is dumb. Zamasu is an okay villain but Goku Black is dumb.
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Aug 31, 2017 22:20
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Goku Black is good
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Kashuno posted:Yeah Goku Black is a result of the time ring. I'm not kidding when I say Time travel in this show is hosed up. again, Goku Black's mere existence is a hosed up loop that relies on Future Trunks coming back in time to escape from Goku Black that drags him to the past that creates the visit to Zamasu/Gowasu that creates Goku Black via the use of the time ring. The Android Saga is dependent on Trunks already having succeeded. Funny loops are par for the course.
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