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Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub
https://twitter.com/BlackAutonomist/status/905531161392316418

finally got around to reading this and yeah it's really good, get on it

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Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

Aeolius posted:

https://twitter.com/BlackAutonomist/status/905531161392316418

finally got around to reading this and yeah it's really good, get on it
Using the term "Nietzchean Supermen" unironically is extremely reactionary tbh

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

GoluboiOgon posted:

The 1905 revolution was started by a police spy, so maybe cops are the vanguard of the proletariat?
Danny fetonte come on down!

Aeolius
Jul 16, 2003

Simon Templeman Fanclub

Dreddout posted:

Using the term "Nietzchean Supermen" unironically is extremely reactionary tbh

read carefully and pay attention to whom the author is critiquing

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

GoluboiOgon posted:

The 1905 revolution was started by a police spy, so maybe cops are the vanguard of the proletariat?

remember stalin was an Okhrana agent! comrade beria had the proof all along

indeed though there was a huge crossover between police spies and revolutionaries in early 20th century Russia, with tsarist police spies conducting real actual assassinations on tsarist officials to gain street cred among revolutionary groups they were spying on.

one of the most important assassinations/terrorist acts of the period was the assassination of the reformist prime minister Stolypin in 1911 and it was done by a paid police informant inside some leftist socialist revolutionary groups.

Stolypin was hated by both the revolutionaries and reactionaries in the government. To this day nobody know if the killer did it on behalf of the group he was spying on or the guys paying him inside the government.

Typo fucked around with this message at 18:42 on Sep 8, 2017

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Top City Homo posted:

Belarus is a well run country because Lukashenko was able to maintain Soviet era policies and neutralized parliamentary bullshit which was influenced by US financed nationalistic saboteurs

lol Belarus is literally just a worse little soviet union at this point and he's its dictatorial chairman; huge amount of power and legislature designed to be sycophantic

i mean this requires the same sentiments as DPRK: sure the western media may be full of propaganda and other poo poo about it, but that doesn't make it a good place to be emulated

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

lancemantis posted:

lol Belarus is literally just a worse little soviet union at this point and he's its dictatorial chairman; huge amount of power and legislature designed to be sycophantic

i mean this requires the same sentiments as DPRK: sure the western media may be full of propaganda and other poo poo about it, but that doesn't make it a good place to be emulated

They're better off than most of the other former Soviet republics. They sure as heck weren't going to be an Estonia.

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

lancemantis posted:

lol Belarus is literally just a worse little soviet union at this point and he's its dictatorial chairman; huge amount of power and legislature designed to be sycophantic

i mean this requires the same sentiments as DPRK: sure the western media may be full of propaganda and other poo poo about it, but that doesn't make it a good place to be emulated

drat can't believe a country is kind of messed up after the heavily centralized federation it was a part of collapsed due decades of direct and indirect foreign interference

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
and if there's one thing such a place should do it should double down on an antidemocratic system that mainly only benefits a handful of political elites :thumbsup:

since they are members of an explicitly political order instead of a de facto ruling capitalist class serving in the same capacity this is actually good

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

lancemantis posted:

and if there's one thing such a place should do it should double down on an antidemocratic system that mainly only benefits a handful of political elites :thumbsup:

since they are members of an explicitly political order instead of a de facto capitalist class serving in the same capacity this is actually good

All I'm saying is it's better than Turkmenistan.

walgreenslatino
Jun 2, 2015

Lipstick Apathy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

All I'm saying is it's better than Turkmenistan.

completely false

Larry Parrish
Jul 9, 2012

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

lancemantis posted:

and if there's one thing such a place should do it should double down on an antidemocratic system that mainly only benefits a handful of political elites :thumbsup:

since they are members of an explicitly political order instead of a de facto ruling capitalist class serving in the same capacity this is actually good

I mean what options exactly does Belarus have. It's like a whole nation where the only real resources are timber and grain and exporting workers to Russia's horrible chemical plants and mines

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

The USSR's own leadership had a more active hand in its collapse than any external forces anyway.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

lancemantis posted:

lol Belarus is literally just a worse little soviet union at this point and he's its dictatorial chairman; huge amount of power and legislature designed to be sycophantic

i mean this requires the same sentiments as DPRK: sure the western media may be full of propaganda and other poo poo about it, but that doesn't make it a good place to be emulated

Belarus is a good place to live compared to other post soviet states. . I visit it every couple of months. There are no cops, pensioners don't sleep on the street and and it builds 3 times the amount of social housing of Ukraine. Literally compare it Ukraine and you will find that Lukashenko saved the place from falling apart.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

Top City Homo posted:

Belarus is a good place to live compared to other post soviet states. . I visit it every couple of months. There are no cops, pensioners don't sleep on the street and and it builds 3 times the amount of social housing of Ukraine. Literally compare it Ukraine and you will find that Lukashenko saved the place from falling apart.

Moldova really screwed up when they let the liberals take over.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Larry Parrish posted:

I mean what options exactly does Belarus have. It's like a whole nation where the only real resources are timber and grain and exporting workers to Russia's horrible chemical plants and mines

Belarus has super educated peeps

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes
isn't belarus pretty heavily subsidized by russia?

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Larry Parrish posted:

drat can't believe a country is kind of messed up after the heavily centralized federation it was a part of collapsed due decades of direct and indirect foreign interference

the collapse of the soviet union was on its own leadership: you can blame the US for loving around with chile or w/e but the soviets had the KGB and nukes to counter foreign interference

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Moldova really screwed up when they let the liberals take over.

That's where I was from and it's just a big dump now. Nationalist trash run the place. Also, Vilnius, Lithuania perpetually looks bombed out and full of graffiti with broken staircases and its in the EU. I literally had school children from Minsk ask me why the European Union Lithuanian government should be envied when they can't even maintain their roads.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

Typo posted:

isn't belarus pretty heavily subsidized by russia?

Only in oil. They are in the Union State + customs union together.

Hilario Baldness
Feb 10, 2005

:buddy:



Grimey Drawer

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The USSR's own leadership had a more active hand in its collapse than any external forces anyway.

leonidbrezhnevbeachbod.jpeg

Typo
Aug 19, 2009

Chernigov Military Aviation Lyceum
The Fighting Slowpokes

Hilario Baldness posted:

leonidbrezhnevbeachbod.jpeg

Brezhnev had the wrong ideas but the right policies so it wasn't his fault

gorbachev was the problem because he had the right ideas but the wrong policies

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe

Top City Homo posted:

Belarus is a good place to live compared to other post soviet states. . I visit it every couple of months. There are no cops, pensioners don't sleep on the street and and it builds 3 times the amount of social housing of Ukraine. Literally compare it Ukraine and you will find that Lukashenko saved the place from falling apart.*

* offer only valid to people he likes

a benevolent dictatorship is still a dictatorship -- Lukashenko literally kills his political enemies

Arcteryx Anarchist
Sep 15, 2007

Fun Shoe
I mean Nazi Germany was great if you were a pure white german -- all kinds of help for you then

slav, jew, roma, politically minded? to the concentration camp

Prav
Oct 29, 2011

hm. yes. hitler. indeed.

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

lancemantis posted:

* offer only valid to people he likes

a benevolent dictatorship is still a dictatorship -- Lukashenko literally kills his political enemies

wow he's like hitler

the hitler of US backed campradors

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012

Typo posted:

Brezhnev had the wrong ideas but the right policies so it wasn't his fault

gorbachev was the problem because he had the right ideas but the wrong policies

people poo poo on gorbachev but i have a soft spot for him because what he wanted was a kinder, gentler soviet state but instead he allowed some drunk shithead like yeltsin to build power and eventually cuck him

GoluboiOgon
Aug 19, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Top City Homo posted:

That's where I was from and it's just a big dump now. Nationalist trash run the place. Also, Vilnius, Lithuania perpetually looks bombed out and full of graffiti with broken staircases and its in the EU. I literally had school children from Minsk ask me why the European Union Lithuanian government should be envied when they can't even maintain their roads.

My most vivid memory of Vilnius is a bloodstain on the pavement by the train station. It was there when I arrived, and was there when I left 2 days later.

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

lancemantis posted:

a benevolent dictatorship is still a dictatorship -- Lukashenko literally kills his political enemies

So does Hillary, what's your point?

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
"We Came, We Saw, He Died!"

-guess the dictator

Darkman Fanpage
Jul 4, 2012
love to parody ceasar while talking about the dictator we told we were gonna help get into the world market in exchange for giving up his nuclear weapon program until it became more convenient to just help overthrow him

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

GoluboiOgon posted:

My most vivid memory of Vilnius is a bloodstain on the pavement by the train station. It was there when I arrived, and was there when I left 2 days later.

it's a weird hick like place which emulates stupid American truck culture.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

https://twitter.com/reuters/status/843836210388914176

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

how many rockefellers does that leave to deal with

1994 Toyota Celica
Sep 11, 2008

by Nyc_Tattoo

Darkman Fanpage posted:

love to parody ceasar while talking about the dictator we told we were gonna help get into the world market in exchange for giving up his nuclear weapon program until it became more convenient to just help overthrow him

luv 2 help theocrats ethnically cleanse sub-saharan africans from the maghreb

MizPiz
May 29, 2013

by Athanatos

I'd like to piss on his corpse, but I'm saving that arrest for Henry Kissinger.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/906594828720459782

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
the Polish-Soviet War should be talked about more

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



considering lithuania didn't even wait for the nazis to invade to run pogroms that wiped out my dad's side of the family the whole country can fuckin rot

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Jewel Repetition
Dec 24, 2012

Ask me about Briar Rose and Chicken Chaser.

Top City Homo posted:

Belarus is a good place to live compared to other post soviet states. . I visit it every couple of months. There are no cops, pensioners don't sleep on the street and and it builds 3 times the amount of social housing of Ukraine. Literally compare it Ukraine and you will find that Lukashenko saved the place from falling apart.

What do you mean by there are no cops.

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